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Seems like a simple equation:

The defending champs could possibly end the season with one loss with a few other teams. Why exactly should they not have the right to defend their title? Whether you like it or not Scott, they are the champs & should be considered the top team until someone else wins the title & those are facts. You can brag about USC this, USC that but bottom line is they lost 2 games last year & did NOT deserve to be in the title game. They didn't EARN their way there so end of story.
 

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I 100% agree USC did not deserve to be in the NC game last year.

I also am 100% agreement that OSU deserved the National Championship last year.

I also am 90% sure USC was the best team in the nation last year. Ohio St. was not. Too bad there is not a playoff system. I guess the regular season is the playoffs and maybe USC cost themselves 2 NC's because of losing early in the year. Nobody to blame but USC.

OSU last year was not the best team in the nation and this year are not even the 2 best teams in the nation. So do I think they deserve to defend their title? No. I would like to see every year, the 2 best teams play each other for the NC. Under the BCS format, it will not happen in most years. Looks like it might not happen 2 years in a row.

Under the BCS format, OSU deserves to go because they took out margin of victory. Just because they are going, does not mean they are the 2nd best team in the nation. Get it?
 
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I 100% agree USC did not deserve to be in the NC game last year.

I also am 100% agreement that OSU deserved the National Championship last year.

I also am 90% sure USC was the best team in the nation last year. Ohio St. was not. Too bad there is not a playoff system. I guess the regular season is the playoffs and maybe USC cost themselves 2 NC's because of losing early in the year. Nobody to blame but USC.

OSU last year was not the best team in the nation and this year are not even the 2 best teams in the nation. So do I think they deserve to defend their title? No. I would like to see every year, the 2 best teams play each other for the NC. Under the BCS format, it will not happen in most years. Looks like it might not happen 2 years in a row.

Under the BCS format, OSU deserves to go because they took out margin of victory. Just because they are going, does not mean they are the 2nd best team in the nation. Get it?

As much as I hate the system, the two teams that face each other in the title game are the two best teams in the country & if usc doesn't make it well then most agreed they weren't the 2nd best team in the land.

I hate to say this but in fairness the two best teams should be:

reigning champion & oklahoma.

Sorry USC is not in that mix end of story
 

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IF OHIO ST. BEATS MICHIGAN I CANT BELIEVE ANY COLLEGE FOOTBALL FAN WITH ANY SENSE WOULD THINK USC SHOULD BE RANKED HIGHER THAN THE BUCKEYES.




I KNOW 8 HOME GAMES & THEY WON THEM ALL. I DOTN CARE IF THEY WIN EVERY GAME BY 1 PT. ITS A WIN:)


USC DOESNT LOSE TO CAL THEN ALL BUCKEYE FANS WOULD HAVE NO SAY. USC WOULD LOSE AT LEAST 2 GAMES IF NOT MORE PLAYING IN THE BIG TEN. THE BUCKEYES WOULDNT IN THE PAC~10.


THIS MAY ALL BE FOR NOT AS THE BUCKEYES HAVE A HUGE GAME SATURDAY & COULD LOSE :shrug: BUT I REALLY FEEL THEY WILL PULL OUT ANOTHER 1 & FACE THE SOONERS:)
 

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The 2 teams playing in the title game are the 2 teams the BCS selected. That does not mean they are the 2 best teams in the nation. MANY MANY people will be upset if Ohio St. is playing in the NC game because MANY MANY people feel they are not the 2nd best team in the nation. I am one of those who feel they are "not" the 2nd best team in the nation. Read my post if you want to know why.

EARLY ODDS ON NC GAME.....

OSU is +17.5 over OU

USC is +11 over OU

USC -7.5 over OSU (meaning OSU beat Michigan, so I guess that is not that impressive)

I guess Vegas and public feel the same way I do. The polls (humans) feel the same way I do too.

I am not arguing about the system, just that the system unfortunately will not select the 2 best teams in the nation. OU vs OSU are not the 2 best teams in the nation "in my opinion." OU vs USC is.

If OSU wins Sat. they will go because of the system, not because they are the 2nd best team in the country.
 
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If Ohio St wins the NC again this year and I said if Scott, I will have so much material for my signature line it will take me a month to sift through all the material just from Scott:D :eek:
 

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The 2 teams playing in the title game are the 2 teams the BCS selected. That does not mean they are the 2 best teams in the nation. MANY MANY people will be upset if Ohio St. is playing in the NC game because MANY MANY people feel they are not the 2nd best team in the nation. I am one of those who feel they are "not" the 2nd best team in the nation. Read my post if you want to know why.

EARLY ODDS ON NC GAME.....

OSU is +17.5 over OU

USC is +11 over OU

USC -7.5 over OSU (meaning OSU beat Michigan, so I guess that is not that impressive)

I guess Vegas and public feel the same way I do. The polls (humans) feel the same way I do too.

I am not arguing about the system, just that the system unfortunately will not select the 2 best teams in the nation. OU vs OSU are not the 2 best teams in the nation "in my opinion." OU vs USC is.

If OSU wins Sat. they will go because of the system, not because they are the 2nd best team in the country.

OSU last I check are the defending champs & will be that until someone else wins it. So right now Ohio State is better then USC period, end of discussion!
 

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Lame argument. OSU being defending champs has nothing to do with this years National Champion :lol:
 

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Oh Scotty boy.....that is where you are confused....well let me help out. There IS NO ARGUMENT! Let me break it down to your USC little mind.....BUCKEYES WIN=BUS RIDE FOR USC TO PASADENA. It really doesnt matter what you or I or anyone else thinks about who is better. Whoever wins the Sugar Bowl is the best team in the nation. That is a fact jack! How can a team say they are the best if they dont have the hardware to back it up? If USC doesnt get to play in the Sugar Bowl this year....what is their justfication that they are the best team in the nation? "Uhhhhh, well we beat a bunch of chitty teams by 20 points every time out!" Whoopty DOOOO!

So see, Scotty boy there is no discussion anymore.....if the Buckeyes win, pack your duffle bag and see ya in Pasadena. Oh wait I see the Sports Ticker for this Saturday!

Ohio State 17
Michigan 12

USC 75
Hamburger U 3

Congrats USC on another fine victory, now bend over and pucker up!!!!!
 

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Not quite. If OSU wins Sat. then "most likely" they will be ranked #2 in the final BCS. USC would still have a "slim" chance to jump OSU because of few factors nobody quite knows what will happen if.........

1) LSU winning out (staying ahead of OSU in polls) Will LSU win out, will OSU be #3 or #4 in polls? Nobody knows and how this will affect the BCS.

2) USC still has 2 more games to play while OSU has 1 (this will affect computer rankings and the BCS, but by how much?)

3) USC has much more room to improve in the computer polls than OSU does, but beating Michigan really will bolster OSU SOS. Something to think about because as of now, USC is ranked low in some computer polls. So the improvement USC makes what will happen?

4) WSU beating UW and finishing in top 10 BCS giving USC quality win points. Right now WSU is #10 i think, but there is a lot room WSU can move up. OSU beating Michigan moves WSU up, UGA losing moves WSU up, etc.... So if things play out, WSU could move up a lot in the final BCS standings giving USC QW points. I think if WSU finishes 5th in BCS, USC would get enough QW pts and tie or move ahead of OSU. But WSU finishing that high is not too likely, and WSU has to beat rival UW first.

All in all, OSU beating Michigan most likely puts OSU in NC game. I will not argue that because that is the system. USC lost to CAL and let their fate go in the hands of the BCS. Hard lesson the Trojans will learn. Carroll is not complaining and neither am I. My argument is that just because you are selected by the BCS to play in NC does not necessarily/automatically make you the top 2 teams in the nation. You know that. Also stating OSU has the right to defend their title is a BS argument because that is mutually exclusive from this years NC title.

USC playing in Rose Bowl is fine with me, and i bet you anything if USC plays in Rose Bowl that will be the premier bowl. USC vs Iowa was the best bowl matchup last year and I think if USC played in Rose Bowl there is good chance it would be the best bowl matchup. OU vs OSU does not have as much sex appeal as say USC vs OU or USC vs LSU. Just my opinion.

Another note, if OSU beats OU in sugar bowl, and USC destroys their opponent in Rose Bowl, AP might select USC as NC and other poll OSU. That is a possibility, a slim possibility but I heard it def. could happen.

Again, as a recap for you, my argument is that the team crowned National Champion does not necessarily mean they were the best team in the nation. It means they are the National Champion. How come so many sports writers/analyts said USC was the best team in the nation last year? You can argue both ways because there is not playoff. The "human" polls have USC ahead of OSU (thinking USC is better team than OSU) so if the BCS selects OSU to play in NC game, does that mean they are better than USC? NO WAY! I also would hold more credit/weight on what the HUMAN POLLS say vs computer polls (which do not account for margin of victory. I am a fan of SOS and should be calculated, but i am not fan of computer polls because they do not see how the teams play/dominate. HUMAN POLLS do.

For your information, that is an argument to make/take a stance on. It is your choice if you choose to debate it.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!
 

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Boilermaker, do you listen to any of Joe Tiller's radio broadcasts or weekly shows? I saw the replay of him shaking (or half attempting) Tressel's hand and he was steaming! Now I know he just lost a very tough game, in a bad way, but he looked hot! I've seen them play before, and lose, and he's always been pretty gracious. He didn't do anything, or say anything to Tressel, but basicall gave him the swim technique, and quick touch of the hand, and see ya.

I'm just wondering if something was said in his post game meeting, or this week.

It will be interesting to see where the Boiler's shake out in the bowls.

;)
 

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Yea, I noticed that too unicorn. Thought it was pretty shabby, but since I haven't heard anything since, just wrote it off.

I know it was an awful way to lose, but that was a pretty shabby way to shake at the end of the game.:confused:
 

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Scott....you still dont seem to get it. You just wrote a novel about how the Two teams crowned by the BCS are not the two best teams in the nation. I DONT CARE! All that is is DEBATE. What matters is who they crown! Those are the two teams that can win it on the field! Just by saying that "we are the best team in the nation" doesnt really hold up. I think I heard some TCU fans saying that they are Number 1 too! LOL!:eek:

I dont have anything against the Trojans....they are a really solid team, and I think it is very debatable about who is the best 1 loss team....of course homers will be homers. I am one. We all have our arguments. But the BCS is the only thing that matters at the end of the season....everything else is hot air.

So good luck.....we both need it.
 

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Kudos to all the Buckeye fans and to a very good football team. But to disparage USC shows simple ignorance. Let's look at the Buckeye season.
>>A big 16-13 win over the powerful San Diego State Aztecs. The mighty SDS squad outgained the Buckeyes offensive machine.
>>A 44-38 triple overtime win against NC State.
>>A 24-17 win over Bowling Green in part due to a last minute interception.
>>A 21-20 win over the dreaded Penn State Nittany Lions. Now there is a real quality win right up there with the SDS squeeker. Against the world class PS crew. OSU scored the winning touchdown with 1:35 left.
>>>16-13 win over Purdue that was clinched when a 36 yard field goal missed left.
Yes, I know you will say that it doesn't matter - they win. Well, so has USC. To state that USC is a weak team that couldn't beat Purdue is nothing less than assinine. You can jump up and down all you want and claim that OSU is the greatest team in the history of the NCAA. But don't show your ignorance by suggesting that USC couldn't hold their footballs. There is not an oddsmaker in the world outside of Columbus that would make the Buckeyes a favorite over USC. Not that it has anything to do with the Buckeye and Big 10 homerism displayed here, but please show some common sense. USC's destruction of Iowa last year is seemingly irrelevant to Buckeye Boosters. Yet Ohio States performance last year seems to be included in the perception of this year's clearly weaker team. You Buckeye fans want OSU to finish 2nd and play the Sooners????? Be careful what you wish for.
 

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I 100% agree with your last post. I just did not agree that the BCS always selects the 2 best teams in the nation. If I had my choice, I would much rather be an OSU fan this weekend in control of your own destiny. I'll be watching the game, obviously rooting for Michigan. I agree the BCS is the only thing that matters at the end of season and both OSU, USC, and LSU are to blame because they all lost a game and left it up to the BCS. I respect Ohio St. and they have a great football program. I think OSU is a classic reason their should be a playoff system. They win ugly but they win. You cannot penalize a team for winning but you also cannot penalize teams for dominating either (USC and LSU). USC vs OSU would be a classic ROSE BOWL (better than the Sugar Bowl), too bad they changed the format. USC vs OSU has had some amazing ROSE BOWL games.

Glad we agree on something. :toast:

ferdville

Excellent post. :)
 

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I AM REALLY TORN BETWEEN THIS DREADED GAME......PROB SHOULD STAY AWAY AND NEVER BET AGAIN BUT THE POWERS AT BE (GREED) ARE WILLING ME TO PICK A SIDE AND DRINK SOME BEER AND RANT AND RAVE AT THE TV THIS SAT. I CAN SEE BOTH SIDES HAPPENING MICH IN A 10+ POINT WIN, AND OSU CHEERIN AGAIN IN THE BIG HOUSE WITH AN UPSET WIN.......MY HEART SAYS OSU WILL WIN....BUT IN MY LAST POST I STATED BETTING WITH YOUR HEART CAN CAUSE YOU TO GO BROKE PRETTY QUICK......I AM GOING TO BE DOWN IN OSU AND I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE CHEERING FOR MICH TO WIN BY MORE THEN 7PTS......... WHATS A FELLOW TO DO???? THAT MONEY LINE LOOKS VERY TASTY THOUGH....AJSLKFDJFLKASDJFLKASJDF
 
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