Classless A-ROD and Yankee Fans

[gecko]

fletch,

I respect your points of view, but to me BREAKING THE RULES and CHEATING is the same in this case. A-Rod INTENTIONALLY slapped at the arm to jar the ball loose while the umpire's vision was obstructed by Mientkiewicz. He'd have to have known that. It's different than running hard in the hopes of jarring the ball loose from the glove. You can't tell me what he did was within the boundaries of fair play. As for role models, if you're being MARKETED AS A ROLE MODEL, THEN ACT LIKE ONE.

You're all missing the point....if you and your son saw what A-Rod did on TV, would you turn to him and say what he did was okay if you can get away with it? Then YOU'D be the role model, and WHAT DOES THAT SAY TO YOUR KID?

 

[jordan23retro]

DON'T BOTHER WITH THEM

DON'T BOTHER WITH THEM

you guys crack me up.

i guess you guys never played competitive ball.

you play the game to win.and do whatever it takes to win.

if your playing defensive back in football, & the guy that you are defending is about to beat you long, you try to hold him, trip him or anything else to prevent him from beating you.

if you are playing offensive line & the guy your blocking beats you on a pass rush. you hold him, trip him. or anything else to prevent him from getting to the qb.

if you are playing hops & guarding somebody in the low post & who is trying to score. you elbow him,you push him, you hold his jersey, you do anything you can to try to limit his success against you.

if you are playing hockey & you are a defenseman & a guy on the other team is about to get out on a breakaway. you do anything you can to prevent that. even if it means throwing your stick at his feet.

you do anything you can to get the job done. that is the real world.

sometimes you get away with it & sometimes you don't.

JUST THINK IT WILL BE ALL OVER TONIGHT SO THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY LIKE WHEN THEY ARE HOME WATCHING THE GAME... :moon:

 

[Mags]

I can't resist

I can't resist

First thing - this wasn't in my mind cheating... but I'm not biased towards one team or the other... I guess if I was a Sox fan, I would want to turn this into a "cheating" thing...

Here's something to think about: we see all the time where a baserunner is going to be out at the plate by 10 feet - what do they do, slide and try to avoid the tag? Do they stop and attempt to get into a rundown? NO - they attempt to slam into the catcher as hard as they can to try to dislodge the ball and be considered safe. Is that action that much different than what Arod did?

Now, you are going to say, Mags, what AROD did was intentional - hit hit the fielder's arm with his hand, trying to knock out the ball! OK, then tell me why that is worse or different than lowering your shoulder at full speed, 200+ pounds and trying to level the catcher to accomplish the same thing?

WAAAY too much is being made out of this issue....

My focus would be on those baserunners that bowl into the catcher - they should be automaticaly out and removed from the game (no, I was never a catcher - maybe Fletcher can chime in on this one)....

I know Ray Fosse would have supported that rule change a few years ago....

 

[HighRoller]

JUST THINK IT WILL BE ALL OVER TONIGHT SO THEY CAN SAY WHATEVER THEY LIKE WHEN THEY ARE HOME WATCHING THE GAME... :moon:

Correct you and all the cry baby Yankee fans can spend the enitre off season wondering how a MARLINS TEAM with half their payroll SPANKED them last year and HOW a RED SOX team down 3-0 and demoralized in BOSTON 19-8 came back for the most prolific WIN in BASEBALL HISTORY.

 

[gecko]

First thing - this wasn't in my mind cheating... but I'm not biased towards one team or the other... I guess if I was a Sox fan, I would want to turn this into a "cheating" thing...

Here's something to think about: we see all the time where a baserunner is going to be out at the plate by 10 feet - what do they do, slide and try to avoid the tag? Do they stop and attempt to get into a rundown? NO - they attempt to slam into the catcher as hard as they can to try to dislodge the ball and be considered safe. Is that action that much different than what Arod did?

Now, you are going to say, Mags, what AROD did was intentional - hit hit the fielder's arm with his hand, trying to knock out the ball! OK, then tell me why that is worse or different than lowering your shoulder at full speed, 200+ pounds and trying to level the catcher to accomplish the same thing?

WAAAY too much is being made out of this issue....

My focus would be on those baserunners that bowl into the catcher - they should be automaticaly out and removed from the game (no, I was never a catcher - maybe Fletcher can chime in on this one)....

I know Ray Fosse would have supported that rule change a few years ago....

You're right, I really don't want to make too much out of this incident either. It's not the end of the world. BUT given the situation (Yankee rally, potential elimination from the playoffs), with millions of fans watching, this play had HUGE implications. Jeter would've scored and A-Rod advanced to second.

Whether you're a Sox or Yankees fan (I'm neither), you have to admit what A-Rod did was wrong. Watch the replay and you will see that he went out of his way to hit Arroyo's arm. That's different than running hard and inadvertently jarring the ball loose. This isn't a contact sport like football, where you can hit hard or swipe at the ball to cause a fumble. If what A-Rod did is acceptable, then every baserunner should be taught to swipe, slap at or punch the person's arm or body doing the tagging.

BTW I believe nowadays you would be called out in amateur baseball if you bowl over the catcher a la Ray Fosse incident (can someone verify this?).

 

[Franky Wright]

Whew!!! :scared

It must be gettin close to Game time!! :scared

One note, Alex R qoute in the paper today...........

went something like this............

"They said I can't go out of my way to knock the ball out of his hand, I don't know what I tried to do. I know the line belongs to me, and he was coming at me. Once I reached and tried to knock the ball, the call went against me. I should have just run over him. "

Well, maybe?

On to game 7 :clap:

 

[Carolina]

Sounds to me that A-Rod should be banned from baseball. I mean he cheated...how can we ever let him play again. Come on guys, everyone here would have done the same thing if you were playing in game 6 of the playoffs with a chance to go to the World Series. If not then you need to stick to playing in your co-ed softball league. Wake up and quit crying.

 

[HighRoller]

Sounds to me that A-Rod should be banned from baseball. I mean he cheated...how can we ever let him play again. Come on guys, everyone here would have done the same thing if you were playing in game 6 of the playoffs with a chance to go to the World Series. If not then you need to stick to playing in your co-ed softball league. Wake up and quit crying.

BS ! He should have been just let the pitcher tag him and advance Jeter to second and been a MAN.

Instead he was whinning like a little baby !

 

[ET4646]

Wow, that's a lot of pent up frustration, hope they get it done for you tonight, but just don't see it happening.

 

[treynolds]

Hey Dumbass
He is trying to win the game its not a classless move. I dont care who wins since my beloved brewers fell out of contention right after the break. Nothing cheap about that though, hes trying to do what he is paid to do win

 

[C-A-T-S]

Yankees 26
Red Sox 5

Whose crying?

 

[fletcher]

here is the last point i am going to make on this and yes as a catcher i got drilled a few times but also did my share of drilling part of the game.

If a-rod wanted to do real harm he could of, BA had 1 foot in runners box so he is free game if a-rod was smart he would of slowed up and let ba get half more step into the runners box and he could of planted Ba and his dreads like a potato and he would of got a obstruction call on the fielder as well as ko'ed Ba and ball would of flown further down the field and BA would of been out like a light and it would of been fair he could of clipped him with a shoulder and hip the way it was and tore BA's are right off. The same way as a catcher if your going to come up the line and block the plate get lower then the runner and put a hurting on him hit runner low stand up on contact and watch runner fly through the air, all part of the game. so really a-rod messed up with the slap he had a free shot with BA being in the running box he could of really drilled him if he let ba have half more step would not of been a nice site dreads buried in the turf and jeter would of been on 2nd due to BA impeding runners box even if arod was out, but he would of ko'ed BA and sailed the ball if he was using his head, but things happened to fast so you don't really think much, if he was thinking he would of drilled him and it would of been fair and fine, but he choose to slap instead of drill him because myself a-rod is not the physical type player yes he can hit and field but not a physical type guy, he had a free shot that if anything would of been obstruction on fielder for being in the runners box if it was though a-rod would not of been able to have a chance to touch bag because fielder is in running box of the hitter. It was stupid because he could of drilled him fair and jeter would of been at 2nd at the worse, but he was a puss and slapped at arm instead of full contact taking the arm off with him by running through the bag and arm& leg, he could of kneed Ba in the side of his leg and clamped down on arm because BA was in the box and all would of been fair, the slap screwed that up that was the dumb part of it all, but also shows a-rod is not willing to plant someone within the rules because he had the shot if he would of pulled up by half a step then drilled BA in the runners box, as it was still could of kneed him and tore off the wing of BA if he would of clamped down on arm and through the bag. you can' teach toughness it just happens on a fast play.

 

[mrhotpicks2]

First off .... I wouldn't pin the tail on ALL Yankees fans ... just because some threw stuff on the field last night. Thats always happened in NY. I am a DIE HARD Yankee fan and hate losing to Boston more than anything, but there is no need to call the Yankees faithfull names ... we are not all the same ya know?

As for A-Rod what he did was illegal, how much do u really think he thought about it thou before he did it? Probably half of a second if that ... heat of the battle doing what it takes to win. What he should have done is just run that little kid Aroyyo over ... A-Rod is a big guy and would have probably injuried him by just running throw his glove and that also probably would have knocked the ball out of his glove as well.

g luck 2night guys !!!!!!!!!

 

[Franky Wright]

Guess my qoute from A-rod with the rolling eyes was missed, :142lmao:

Fletcher said it correctly, and my sarcastic humor from the last post are on the same path.
Although I think we saw two different ways to get there
Although mine was the short version, LOL, sorry Fletch, had to give it to ya moon1 :brows:

He should have slowed up and tried to make a play, but what Fletch said, is in the speed of the game, guys just react, they dont "think" about what they are going to do! Ok sure, maybe in the batters box, waiting for a pitch, etc. Arod just reacted, he did not do anything "Illegal". He wants to win as bad as anyone out there, just everyone goes about it different

Game 7
Boston 7 NYY 6
GL all
Franky :clap:

 

[Tanner]

AR182,

You are a typical yankee fan. You only see the argument from the yankee fan point of view. The Yankees can do no wrong and everybody else must bow down to them. All I have to say is BUY ANOTHER CHAMPIONSHIP. Sit down, shut up, and take our lumps like a man... (You realize I am saying this all in fun). From one RED SOX fan to a Yankee Fan... It should be a great game. You can't ask for anything more...