Vietnam Vets against Kerry...

[ocelot]

So I just saw an ad with a bunch of Vets talking smack about Kerry and at the end as the camera pulls back to show about 25 or 30 vets you notice something very interesting - not a single black man amongst them. Even though we all know blacks were disproportionately respresented in Nam.

Now here is something noone dares say in the media but which everyone knows:

90% of the lower middle class and poor folks that somehow vote against their own self-interest; i.e., for Republicans do so because they are motivated by racism. Wonder how many of our fellow travelers for Bush this applies to?

 

[danmurphy jr]

makes no never mind-redskins lose today, don't waste your vote. bush has been whacked

 

[Jaxx]

Yea and nobody has ever came back from a 3-0 deficet in a 7 game Mlb series. Jags have never won in Indy. Shall I go on?
VOTE BUSH

 

[StevieD]

Vetrans Against Kerry is a bunch of dopes who wished the Vietnam War carried on longer than it did. That should tell you all you know to need about those guys.

 

[davidjg47]

Refs made a bad call and called back winning touchdown with under 2 minutes to play. Ref must have been a Kerry fan. Greenbay goes on to score another td in final seconds to win by 14.

 

[SixFive]

against there own self interests? Please explain. Thanks.

 

[pirate fan]

90% of the lower middle class and poor folks that somehow vote against their own self-interest; i.e., for Republicans do so because they are motivated by racism. Wonder how many of our fellow travelers for Bush this applies to?

Ocelot my friend, that is a pretty broad stereotype if I understand you correctly.

 

[Nosigar]

Ocelot my friend, that is a pretty broad stereotype if I understand you correctly.

Please, Pirate Fan, do not question Ocelot. His objective is the greater good of all mankind. Regular rules do not apply to him or other liberaloids who are actually very sentimental people. They have every right to criticize and be racist since they have "good feelings" and want overall good for all of us.

BTW, you are only good if you are a minority, gay, drug addct, repentant convicted felon (and who has found God somehow before the parole board) or a regular white folk who hates him or herself and his peers as well as all ideas and what they represent and is not afraid of stating it publicly.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"Vietnam Vets against Kerry...

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"So I just saw an ad with a bunch of Vets talking smack about Kerry and at the end as the camera pulls back to show about 25 or 30 vets you notice something very interesting - not a single black man amongst them. Even though we all know blacks were disproportionately respresented in Nam.

Now here is something noone dares say in the media but which everyone knows:

90% of the lower middle class and poor folks that somehow vote against their own self-interest; i.e., for Republicans do so because they are motivated by racism. Wonder how many of our fellow travelers for Bush this applies to?"
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The key to this nonsense is in "we" all know---By we he is referring once again to liberals who throw up opinions void of facts and hope it sticks. Unfortunately there are always those that like to take it as gospel and don't want the facts and even if someone presents them to them they will trump facts with opinion cause that is what they would like you to believe---and by the way ocelet it is not just us Viet Nam Vets against Kerry it is ALL military including those serving by amost 70%---Take a look at Kerrys stance--he was against war in Nam and he pronounced the Vets there were rapist and killers--he is against war in Iraq( on his last position) but now in his ads they are all heros---you can't see the forest for the trees but Vets can.
the real facts on your statement---

"For instance, the war was not fought primarily by reluctant draftees, predominantly composed of the poor, the young, or racial minorities. The poor and the minorities fought and died in Vietnam, but so did the middle class. The record indicates that 86% of those who died during the war were white and 12.5% were black, from an age group in which blacks comprised 13.1% of the population. Two thirds of those who served in Vietnam were volunteers, and volunteers accounted for 77% of combat deaths."
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1066361/posts

---if I were black I look at those those that Bush put in his cabinet in highly prdominant spots of which I think they have done outstanding jobs--then I would look at Kerry campaigning in a black church every Sunday and ask myself how many black churches has he been in prior to election and how many he will be in after.
Its boils down to actions speak louder than words.

 

[^BIGBUD^]

John Kerry's record provides uncontestable evidence that he based his political career on pro-Communist activities and that he has continued to support Communist goals until at least 2001.


His pro-Communist activities during the Vietnam War are recorded on videotape and their content and context are uncontestable. Videotape doesn't lie.


In testimony before a Senate committee and in numerous speeches, he falsely attested to devastating anti-war propaganda authored by the Communist enemy.


He illegally met with leading North Vietnam officials in Paris while he was still in the Naval Reserve and while the war was still in progress.


He was honored by these Communists for his assistance to their victory.


During his entire career as a U.S. Senator, he has assisted Communist groups including those in Latin and South America and he has met with them in their countries.


For example, in 1985, Senator John Kerry met with the Soviet-backed Sandinista Communist Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua and subsequently introduced legislation which prevented the CIA from meaningful assistance to the anti-Sandinista forces.
Back in Sandinista Days...
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In fact, as late as 2001, he was still assisting the Vietnamese Communist Government. The U.S. House of Representatives passed "The Vietnam Human Rights Act" in 2001 by a vote of 410-1. Senator John Kerry prevented it from coming to the Senate floor for a debate. "The purpose of the bill was to support innocent people in Vietnam who were being persecuted because of their religion, ethnicity or pro-democracy beliefs"1 John Kerry professes to be a Catholic but he protects religious persecution by Communists? He has a serious lack of Christian and American values.


The above does however support John Kerry's claim that he knows how to make friends with our enemies.


We know John Kerry's record has been classified as the most liberal in the entire Senate.


We know extreme left liberals favor Socialism vs. our Free Enterprise System.


We know Communists are extreme Socialists.


John Kerry's actions are so far left they suggest he is pro-Communist. :thinking:

 

[pirate fan]

Bigbud, I don't like Kerry at all and feel he would be a terrible leader for our country, but I don't think I would go that far.

 

[Master Capper]

yeah Kerry is a communist as he is the one that wants to eliminate your rights! If anyone would like to enforce a police state it would be Bush and Cheney as they would love to tear up the constitution and trash most if not all of your rights. Your basing your facts about Kerry on something that happened over 30 years ago and he is far from the only Nam vet that came home and spoke their opinion against the war don't you recall Born on the 4th of July? Where was bush at this time in his life? According to a time lines he was skipping out of reserve duty and being arrested for drunk driving, cocaine possession and larceny, but you can forgive this but cannot forgive someone for speaking their mind? Even Cheney at that time in his life was being arrested multiple times for drunk driving but I guess in a myopic point of view all of their transgressions can be played off as well they were young, so why is Kerry held to a higher standard? I am sure none of us would want to be sent to a place like Nam as just like Iraq it was poorly planned and had no exit strategy and just like Iraq we underestimated the resistance that we would get from the natives and both wars were wrong! Nam due to our lack of understanding of exactly how to handle communism (Reagan was a master on his grasp of communism and how to defeat it) and Iraq is wrong because it is a war in the wrong place since no terrorist arrested have come from Iraq, the proper place for a war would be Saudi Arabia as this is where the terrorist come from and where they are financed.

 

[ocelot]

Big Bud = Complete brainwashed idiot.

So Nosigar tell me more about the Progressionist Movement - is it like the Impressionist Movement?
:142lmao:

 

[Master Capper]

Nosigar sounds like a bigot if his words are interpreted correctly! Please tell me why you have such anger towards minorities and gays? Are the not citizens of your country? Do they not have a right to vote according to your constitution? Doesn't a large group of gays vote Republican? Do you think that drug addiction is only a problem of the Dems? What about Rush Limbaugh, should he vote Dem as he is a drug addict? Felons, whoa you better check yourself on that one as a large block of felons are Republicans and they are usually the ones whom have ripped off your fellow Americans for the largest sums of cash. Angry white folks, when I first read that I thought you were talking about the wacko's that support Bush through the religious right wing as these people are probably the most bitter and angry folks that you will find and HATE everyone whom disagrees with their beliefs. Your comments were very misplaced and I really hope in your life you are not walking around with so much hatred and anger!

Dogs,

While it is great the Bush has some black folks in his administration, I really dont think it matters as these people as much as their paychecks and ability to find employment. Their paychecks have went down and the ability to find employment (gainful) has decreased under Bush. Now Bush just threw another wrench at the black folks as he has sicked the IRS on the NAACP after they denounced his presidency! While they may be guilty or not guilty he just lit a fire under these people to get out the vote!

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Don't know who sicked them, but Julian Bond asked for it with blatant abuse of charitable org rules--unfortunate that many might suffer due to acts of a few--I will agree there.

On the employment we could discuss #'s all day--Do you think last administration had any effect on "paychecks" will welfare reform??
Just think if Bush had come out with it instead--I could just here Jessie and Julian---I hope the new guy (Dem from Illionois) is the real deal and from what I have seen of him I like. He needs to instill the King idealogly back into NCAAP with postive reinforcement instead of Jessie and Julian telling them why they can't do it.

where are these angry conservatives you talk about--do you remember the protestors per convention thread???

 

[Nosigar]

Bigbud, I don't like Kerry at all and feel he would be a terrible leader for our country, but I don't think I would go that far.

Pirate Fan, you can believe this or not, but I believe it for a fact. I know it sounds conspiracy theory weird. But I have witnessed it and can make a case for many Kerry relations that would circumstantially put Kerry not as a Communist, but as an Anti-anticommunist. I know that for many that is a far-fetched threat, and I doubt that this country will ever allow Kerry to make good on his warped intentions, but it still leaves an open door for extremists to advance more and more even in our hemisphere and into our country.

So Nosigar tell me more about the Progressionist Movement - is it like the Impressionist Movement?

Degas, Monet, Renoir and the rest could have been labeled as progressionists with regards to the arts. If you'd like to call it a movement, historically it was. Progressionist is a way of thought, as applied to evolution it involves intelligence as a contributing factor to changes, be them in structure or philosophical and spiritual matters. It advocates the rejection of the automata theorem stating that we are primitive reactionary individuals incapable of self-sustained progress and free will choice, unable to progress beyond pre-set limitations.
Unfortunately in your case it seems that the progressionist hypothesis has failed miserably. :tongue

 

[kosar]

Degas, Monet, Renoir and the rest could have been labeled as progressionists with regards to the arts. If you'd like to call it a movement, historically it was. Progressionist is a way of thought, as applied to evolution it involves intelligence as a contributing factor to changes, be them in structure or philosophical and spiritual matters. It advocates the rejection of the automata theorem stating that we are primitive reactionary individuals incapable of self-sustained progress and free will choice, unable to progress beyond pre-set limitations.

Hey, I was just telling someone the other day how I emphatically reject the automata theorem. I thought I was the only one, dude.

I also endorse the musings of this philosophical guru that posts at another sports betting site:


"Rich H., FYI, I practice tantra and karma yoga with my young escorts (on
consorts) in Asia. We practice sacred sex, which enables me to
simultaneously grant them higher sensual enjoyment and a (limited) spiritual
experience of the Divine."

 

[Nosigar]

Hey, I was just telling someone the other day how I emphatically reject the automata theorem. I thought I was the only one, dude.

I also endorse the musings of this philosophical guru that posts at another sports betting site:


"Rich H., FYI, I practice tantra and karma yoga with my young escorts (on
consorts) in Asia. We practice sacred sex, which enables me to
simultaneously grant them higher sensual enjoyment and a (limited) spiritual
experience of the Divine."

:142lmao: Come on, Bernie, let's do a chant. We can form a Florida group of the new Progressionist-karma followers.
uhmmmmmmmmmmm-uhmmmmmmmm.....

But be aware, I'm a bigotted racist. :clap:

 

[kosar]

No problem, man. I'm a white male, so it's all good.

 

[RAYMOND]

berine kosar support g w bush