Vikings / Mike Tice Debacle

walleyek

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I live in the Twin Cities, lifelong Viking fan, and fed up with the continuous scandels and below-board behavior.

If anyone in their right mind thinks the Vikings can win at Soldier Field this weekend, I'd like to hear the rationale.

Over the years, *good* Minnesota teams with *good* coaching had trouble in Chicago. Now, they're playing for a lame duck coach who's completely lost control of the team. Tice came on the radio and said he 'wasn't happy' about the allegations of strippers/hookers on Lake Minnetonka. Wasn't happy? How about the players have so little respect for their coach and team they go and pull this crap?

The double-wide, the AMC Gremlin, the mangy mutt and anything else worth two cents will be on the Bears Sunday. This will mark the end for this sadly underqualified Viking regime.
 

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Posted on Wed, Oct. 12, 2005


Vikings cruise at center of sex query

Prostitution, drug use alleged during Minnetonka outing

BY DON SEEHOLZER and SEAN JENSEN

Pioneer Press


The Hennepin County Sheriff's Department is investigating allegations of criminal sexual conduct by Minnesota Vikings players after a boat cruise on Lake Minnetonka turned into an out-of-control party that included lap dances and sexual acts, an attorney for the charter boat company said Tuesday.

Stephen Doyle, a lawyer representing the owners of Al and Alma's, a company that charters cruises on the lake, said cornerback Fred Smoot and another Vikings player, whom he declined to name, reserved a charter for a night-time excursion Thursday.

"From our end, I don't know the name of the other primary person, but we turned over to the police today documents that show signatures or credit cards or whatever was associated with closing this deal," Doyle said.

A woman called Mound police Thursday night to report "possible prostitution, drugs and live sex acts" on the two boats. According to the police report, the woman said she and her brother's girlfriend served as hostesses on the boats.

Doyle said he didn't learn details of what allegedly happened until he met with six of the eight crewmembers Tuesday.

Doyle said about 90 people were on the two boats. According to a Vikings player who spoke on the condition of anonymity, about 15 Vikings players were on a charter as part of what he described as a "team event." The player said he was unaware of any sexual acts and that the cruise lasted less than 90 minutes. Doyle said he believed it to be a tradition for Vikings rookies and first-year players to take their teammates out.

Upon returning to the dock, the player said, there were no police officers present and he did not know of any problems on the boats.

Contacted Tuesday afternoon, Smoot said the allegations are exaggerated.

"It's slanderous," he said. "If (Doyle is) bringing my name up like this, I'm going to sue them. Other than that, I ain't got nothing else to say."

Asked if he was denying involvement in the alleged incidents, Smoot said, "It ain't even what they're talking about."

Doyle said further details will be released in the coming days.

"I actually have the names of about 16 or 17 other Vikings that my crew believes were on board," he said, "and a number of them they would be inclined to describe as being involved in these activities. The reason I'm holding off on this answer is two-fold.

"One is, when the particulars of this story come out, I think it's going to be perceived by most people as just horrendous. I want to be very, very careful that we not put a name out there of somebody who wasn't there because the implications, I think, will be serious. Secondly, not everyone (who) was on board (who) was a Viking participated in this. My crew members tell me there were a couple of them that kept saying, 'I'm sorry.' ? There were players that were embarrassed by it."

The Vikings released a statement Tuesday night, saying, "The organization has been made aware of the allegations involving our players, and we take these allegations very seriously. We are working diligently to gather as many facts as possible. At this time, we have no further comment."

Sgt. Haans Vitek of the Hennepin County Sheriff's Department said the investigation is ongoing.

"At this point, we're still trying to sort out who was there," Vitek said. "We understand there may be some Vikings personnel involved. We're not sure who they are and what they were doing."

According to Doyle, the boats were chartered from 8:30 p.m. to midnight, but pushed off about an hour late.

"They were out for a bit, and then the crew was serving drinks and hors d'oeuvres and stuff," he said. "I think the first thing they noticed was some of the women that were on board seemed to be either changing clothes or undressing. And then they went into a galley, and there were three of them in the nude that were changing clothes. That was followed by them coming out and some of them doing lap dances. ? That's where it started, and then it just progressed to just bizarre."

Doyle said the crew, in accordance with company policy, reported what was happening to the captain of each boat, who called the home base and were told to return.

"Now they're still 40 minutes out, and they're getting frightened," Doyle said. "Some of the Vikings are yelling at the waiters and waitresses ? and wanting drinks faster and trying to take over parts of the bar, trying to pour their own drinks. ? It's just really bizarre, bad, terrible behavior.

"Like I said, these kids are petrified. They're afraid for their own safety. There are people doing sexual acts with toys in the middle of the floor. They're on a boat here, having to walk around and serve a drink, afraid to stop serving drinks because they're afraid that people will hurt them. It's just really unacceptable what they did ? the arrogance and the rudeness and all of those things combined.

"They get them into the dock and eventually get off the boat. We're talking about a scene with used condoms on the boats laying around, handy wipes used by the women laying around, drinks thrown and poured in places. It's amazing."

Doyle said he was busy with media interviews Tuesday and hadn't provided the names of any Vikings players to police, but was trying to set up a meeting with them today.

He also said he placed a number of calls to the Vikings' offices but didn't receive a reply.

An NFL spokesman declined to comment on the allegations against Vikings players, but the league's personal conduct policy clearly states that league employees can be subject to discipline.

"Engaging in violent and/or criminal activity is unacceptable and constitutes conduct detrimental to the integrity of and public confidence in the National Football League," the policy summary reads. "Such conduct alienates the fans on whom the success of the league depends and has negative and sometimes tragic consequences for both the victim and the perpetrator."

People charged or arrested with conduct prohibited by this policy will be "required to undergo a clinical evaluation and, if appropriate, additional counseling or treatment as directed."

Failure to comply with evaluation and counseling obligations could be considered conduct detrimental to the NFL, punishable by "fine or suspension at the discretion of the commissioner."

Don Seeholzer and Sean Jensen cover the Vikings and the NFL.
 

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Chicago 27 Minnesota 9

(Hapless Vikings muster 3 FGs)

Buh Bye Tice.

Did these clowns really think they were going to do this without getting caught? Sharp as marbles...
 

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I dont see what the big deal is here.. Picture the scene... You are in your twenties, you have millions of dollars, all women want you, and you have the day off.. why the hell not rent a boat for the day and get drunk with some hot sluts..

Yeah it might have been a bit tasteless but nothing illegal... So the got drunk with some girls on a boat instead of a house.. whats the difference..


:mj14:
 

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Don't get me wrong, it does sound like fun BUT is causing a HUGE distraction for an already beleagured team.

Just the icing to want me to pound the Bears Sunday!
 

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All this and Randy Moss is nowhere to be found!!!!!! Laughing it up in Oaktown. The Vikes are starting to become the Trailblazers of the NBA
 

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I have leans for the Bears but the picture of Kyle Orton and his 5 INTs keep popping up

and they lost the Browns of all teams last week

Bears are pretty dysfunctional right now on the field with Thomas Jones hurting

Hmm, tough call here fellas
 

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Also- Offensive tackle John Tait (ankle) and guard Ruben Brown (chest) have not practiced this week and are doubtful at best for Sundays game. If their out, I dont care whos runnin the ball their not goin far. Minn is a mess as well though. Prob a pass
 

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canabiz said:
I have leans for the Bears but the picture of Kyle Orton and his 5 INTs keep popping up

and they lost the Browns of all teams last week

Bears are pretty dysfunctional right now on the field with Thomas Jones hurting

Hmm, tough call here fellas

I still have to see those pics of Orton :mj07: . Thats great!!! Let the kid have some fun on his bye week :mj14: , just not on a boat :s4: !!
 

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this is a no play for me also.. my post was not about the game.. but more why people seemed so shocked that a couple of horny twenty-somethings got drunk and tried to get themselves laid... Where is the story??? :poke
 

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let's see the forest through the trees here...nothing wrong with 20-somethings trying to get laid...problem here is a *major* PR problem and a legal problem...Al & Alma's boat service has hired a crackerjack attorney to prosecute this case and most likely will sue the Viking organization for defaming a longstanding family business on Lk Mtka...couldn't they have been a tad smarter and had their fun at someone's house rather than in a public place? and we think we're getting a new stadium for this team? a bad showing (which is fully expected given all four wheels are now off the cart) in chicago and tice will be gone (worst coach since Les Steckel) ...some of the key players may end up in court ala Kobe. This is nothing short of pathetic.

Love the Bears Sunday. This Minnesota team was fragile before this latest episode.
 

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It sure didn?t take long for the jokes to surface?.



(To the Theme from Gilligans Island)



Come sit right back and you'll hear a tale

A tale of a fateful trip

That started from a small lake town

Aboard two tiny ships



The mates were a bunch of pole dancers

But the wait staff was too pure

The Vikings team set sail that day

For a three hour tour, a three hour tour



The action started getting hot

The dancers strutted their stuff

If not for the prudes in the fearless crew

There wouldn't have been such a huff



The boats turned around and went back home

The authorities came aboard

But fear not friends, 'cause all's not lost

The Vikings finally scored!!
 

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Another article from the St Paul Pioneer Press



Posted on Thu, Oct. 13, 2005





Love boaters should be benched

Vikings shouldn't allow participants in alleged sex party to represent team

TOM POWERS


For years my wife has pestered me about going on a cruise. But I was under the impression that all you did on those things was eat and gain weight.

No one ever said anything about lap dances.

Furthermore, the brochures almost always list the "live entertainment" as a 16-piece orchestra. But apparently, the live entertainment can be much more of an interactive experience.

I guess no one plays shuffleboard on deck anymore.

Well, the Vikings Likeability Quotient officially has plummeted to the Bird Flu, Kim Jong-il, intestinal virus level.

The Vikings also might have just taken a $780 million boat ride. Jittery politicians, already trembling at the thought of stadium financing, can't be pleased by the news of an alleged drunken orgy on public waterways.

The remaining 12 football games now seem meaningless. The Vikings have bigger walleye to fry. The organization's goal has to be to rebuild its image and restore trust. And that will require drastic measures.

Any Viking involved in what supposedly happened on that boat, and any Viking who wasn't involved but didn't try to stop what was happening, should be booted from the active roster.

Still pay them, if that's what is needed to satisfy union requirements. But under no circumstances allow them on the field to represent the Minnesota Vikings.

It can be done. A few years ago, Tampa Bay simply deactivated Keyshawn Johnson when he became too big a pain. The Eagles sent whining Terrell Owens home during training camp this summer.

The key is to act quickly. Bring up the practice squad guys, and chalk up the rest of the season as a first step toward social responsibility.

It doesn't matter if it's the biggest star or the lowest scrub. It doesn't matter if their defense is "poor judgment" or "a chemical imbalance." It doesn't matter how contrite they are.

Get those uniforms out of their lockers. Make it clear that they no longer are fit to wear them.

Then, perhaps, public outrage will subside. Is the new owner willing to pay these guys NOT to play? That will be very telling. Doesn't anyone ever get tired of these guys acting up year after year?

Of course, the Vikings first have to find out who was involved. Not every player on board behaved like an idiot. But that shouldn't be too difficult. In fact, they ought to be able to put it all together by Sunday's game. I'm sure the authorities already have been in touch.

From there, the response will say a lot about the future of the organization. Will team officials talk about letting it "play out"? That's code for allowing it to drag through the legal system, hoping it takes so long everyone will forget. Or do they take dramatic, preventative measures.

My feeling is that the team is lousy anyway. If it can't be good, it should at least be righteous.

Besides, the players still don't get it. The vast majority refused to even address the issue Wednesday. They acted put out when they discovered reporters wanted to talk about something other than the upcoming game against the Chicago Bears.

Coach Mike Tice said he was operating under the assumption that all his current players would be available to him for Sunday's game.

"I have to until I'm notified by somebody," he said.

He was referring to the league, the police or team ownership.

Tice appeared to take the allegations much harder than his players. He's in a tough spot. The owners and executives were on one of those touchy-feely retreats ? singing "Kumbaya" and passing around the talking stick ? as they tried to formulate team policy.

They actually were working on a code of conduct while some of the employees were re-enacting a scene from "Caligula" on Lake Minnetonka.

Linebacker Keith Newman waved off the charges, saying: "As long as guys are ready to play football, that's all I care about. As long as they get their jobs done, that's all that matters to me."

He then asked a reporter if he cared about what his co-workers did when they went home at night. That was a good point. I've long suspected several colleagues of spending their free time in search of lap dances.

However, those colleagues aren't asking the state for any type of financing deal. Plus, we're talking about serious legal issues on the Vikings' love boat. Issues such as lewd and lascivious behavior and prostitution.

Nope, this is the ultimate mess. It's bigger than the Whizzinator or any nightclub fight. The only way to begin to rectify the situation is to quickly get those purple uniforms away from those involved.

But do I think it will ever happen? Let's just say it hasn't ever happened yet.

Tom Powers can be reached at tpowers@pioneerpress.com.
 
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