Hurricane evacuation collage
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Good pic Clint but won't make much diff to those that want to believe it was someone elses fault--wonder where all the looters were in Galveston??
Two completely different scenarios, storms, locations, warnings, etc, of course. And, of course, there is the Texas connection...have to make sure Crawford's outer banks are fully taken care of...lol.
Yep every storm in past has been different also--ever ask yourself why--How does FLA manage to deal with those that hit there every year. I guess they have diff federal gov.
Hmm maybe we should believe those at the recent million man march and believe the gov bombed the levees
Hmm maybe we should believe those at the recent million man march and believe the gov bombed the levees
Yep every storm in past has been different also--ever ask yourself why--How does FLA manage to deal with those that hit there every year. I guess they have diff federal gov.Seems we had more people burning their neighborhoods in Ohio recently because they were angry--"coincidently" it was same element that have always torched their neighbor hoods in anger in the past--
Hmm maybe we should believe those at the recent million man march and believe the gov bombed the levees
Hmm maybe we should believe those at the recent million man march and believe the gov bombed the levees
Wilma the strongest Hurricane on record vs Katrina # 6
deaths from Katrina in New Orleans--over 1000
deaths from Wilma to date in 3 countries
Jamiaca-Haiti and Mexico--20
Ricardo Portugal, director of the Mexican Red Cross in Cancun said "there were not a great number of injuries" given the strength of the hurricane.
Hmmm Wonder how many of these people in these countries who were in poverty and did not have cars managed to escape???
and speaking of cars over 20,000 (along with buses) were abandoned in N.O.
Maybe the reason they were afraid to leave as they did in other countries is fear there neighbors would steal them blind the minute they left. Ya think???
deaths from Katrina in New Orleans--over 1000
deaths from Wilma to date in 3 countries
Jamiaca-Haiti and Mexico--20
Ricardo Portugal, director of the Mexican Red Cross in Cancun said "there were not a great number of injuries" given the strength of the hurricane.
Hmmm Wonder how many of these people in these countries who were in poverty and did not have cars managed to escape???
and speaking of cars over 20,000 (along with buses) were abandoned in N.O.
Maybe the reason they were afraid to leave as they did in other countries is fear there neighbors would steal them blind the minute they left. Ya think???
Here's how I see this. I think both of you are right, yet neither of you can attribute fault to 'your' side.
Here are some differences between Hurricane relief in Florida and Louisiana on every level.
Bush- With Katrina, he declared a state of emergency a couple of days before the storm. That's as much as he can do at that time. All this really does is facilitate getting supplies and relief and funds for the aforementioned to the states/areas affected. This enables FEMA to work unfettered with less restrictions, to put it simply.
My problem with Bush is that he was totally uninterested or uninformed 2 days after the levees broke and thousands were on the overpass with no food, water or shelter in the 90 degree sun. He was making WW2/Iraq comparison speeches and another about medicare while a shocked nation watched the unthinkable.
This means nothing unless the state pushes for it. Now, there are different stories about how 25% of supplies were provided, etc. The fact remains that GOV Blanco of LA is and was totally incompetent. We did not see her before the storm and all she did was cry after the storm. Just HORRID emergency management.
Contrast this to Jeb Bush, who we see all week BEFORE any storm on TV, laying it all out. Calm, reassuring.
That said, FEMA did NOTHING for 4 days after the levees broke in NO. Their director, 'Brownie', said he didn't know there were people at the convention center 3 days after every fvcking news station had been showing it non-stop.
Contrast that with Wilma. As we speak they have 25,000 trucks full of supplies in Miami and Jacksonville ready to be dispatched immediately after Wilma leaves. They have been there since friday, so 3 days BEFORE the storm. In addition, FEMA has over 1000 doctors here in SW Florida, ready to go.
It is totally incorrect to say that FEMA did ANYTHING right during Katrina and they share the blame for a lot of deaths.
That brings us to Mayor Nagin. An incompetent, unqualified asshole of a mayor who didn't realize that disasters can happen, even in his corrupt banana republic where he got himself rich. He cared not about any evacuation plan, even though one had been established about a year ago that addressed this exact sort of event. This idiot disappears for 4 days after the storm hit then pops up out of nowhere to go on some tirade bashing everybody but himself.
Contrast this with Wilma. Last thursday, 4 days before the storm, National Guard C-130 cargo planes from North Carolina were here in Fort Myers and Naples to evacuate 'special needs/elderly' people. Why? Because somebody actually thought about it. I don't know how that works or who called for them, BUT IT GOT DONE. Same as last year with Charley.
And I don't wanna hear any BS about it being the Presidents brother. That has nothing to do with it.
Re: Katrina- ALL of these people, agencies, etc are to blame. Total and utter incompetence from top to bottom.
Here are some differences between Hurricane relief in Florida and Louisiana on every level.
Bush- With Katrina, he declared a state of emergency a couple of days before the storm. That's as much as he can do at that time. All this really does is facilitate getting supplies and relief and funds for the aforementioned to the states/areas affected. This enables FEMA to work unfettered with less restrictions, to put it simply.
My problem with Bush is that he was totally uninterested or uninformed 2 days after the levees broke and thousands were on the overpass with no food, water or shelter in the 90 degree sun. He was making WW2/Iraq comparison speeches and another about medicare while a shocked nation watched the unthinkable.
This means nothing unless the state pushes for it. Now, there are different stories about how 25% of supplies were provided, etc. The fact remains that GOV Blanco of LA is and was totally incompetent. We did not see her before the storm and all she did was cry after the storm. Just HORRID emergency management.
Contrast this to Jeb Bush, who we see all week BEFORE any storm on TV, laying it all out. Calm, reassuring.
That said, FEMA did NOTHING for 4 days after the levees broke in NO. Their director, 'Brownie', said he didn't know there were people at the convention center 3 days after every fvcking news station had been showing it non-stop.
Contrast that with Wilma. As we speak they have 25,000 trucks full of supplies in Miami and Jacksonville ready to be dispatched immediately after Wilma leaves. They have been there since friday, so 3 days BEFORE the storm. In addition, FEMA has over 1000 doctors here in SW Florida, ready to go.
It is totally incorrect to say that FEMA did ANYTHING right during Katrina and they share the blame for a lot of deaths.
That brings us to Mayor Nagin. An incompetent, unqualified asshole of a mayor who didn't realize that disasters can happen, even in his corrupt banana republic where he got himself rich. He cared not about any evacuation plan, even though one had been established about a year ago that addressed this exact sort of event. This idiot disappears for 4 days after the storm hit then pops up out of nowhere to go on some tirade bashing everybody but himself.
Contrast this with Wilma. Last thursday, 4 days before the storm, National Guard C-130 cargo planes from North Carolina were here in Fort Myers and Naples to evacuate 'special needs/elderly' people. Why? Because somebody actually thought about it. I don't know how that works or who called for them, BUT IT GOT DONE. Same as last year with Charley.
And I don't wanna hear any BS about it being the Presidents brother. That has nothing to do with it.
Re: Katrina- ALL of these people, agencies, etc are to blame. Total and utter incompetence from top to bottom.
How anyone can read above and come back with--
"You just can't accept the fact that FEMA was a mess and failed can you?"
What can't accept Stevie is a bannana republic ran by incompetant mayor were responsible for most of their own catastrophe. The damage was done before FEMA ever came into the picture.
Matt had it about right with exception of elaborating on how fema or anyone can get in to city except by plane after levees broke.With that being said FEMA did piss poor job on their end the extent which is still coming to light.
Bottom Line-- the reason for catastophe was
A: People failed to evacuate
B: Levee broke AFTER Hurricane and caused brunt of damage.
Now if Fema or Feds are responsible for either then they deserve the blame--if not let the chips fall where they may.
"You just can't accept the fact that FEMA was a mess and failed can you?"
What can't accept Stevie is a bannana republic ran by incompetant mayor were responsible for most of their own catastrophe. The damage was done before FEMA ever came into the picture.
Matt had it about right with exception of elaborating on how fema or anyone can get in to city except by plane after levees broke.With that being said FEMA did piss poor job on their end the extent which is still coming to light.
Bottom Line-- the reason for catastophe was
A: People failed to evacuate
B: Levee broke AFTER Hurricane and caused brunt of damage.
Now if Fema or Feds are responsible for either then they deserve the blame--if not let the chips fall where they may.
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FEMA was not responsible, but they did not do their job and exacerbated the bad situation because they didn't know what they were doing . The contrasts between Katrina and Rita/Wilma show that they have changed their approach. As in, we're going to be competent now.
That is not true about FEMA not being able to get in because of the levees breaking. The overpass, Superdome and convention center were all accessible by road, let alone air. How do you explain the lines of buses getting all those people EVENTUALLY. They were accessible.
If they could get friggin' school buses in there, I think FEMA could have figured out a way to get food and water in there.
Brownie got a free pass last year because the 4 storms hit Florida, and he wasn'r exposed. It took an incompetent state/local combination to show that he had never been doing his job all along.
Luckily for him, Floridas state leaders at every level know WTF they're doing when it comes to hurricanes.
'Brownie' was not qualified in the least to begin with and also FEMA has no business falling under Homeland Security. Another 5 layers of beauracracy is NOT what we need in an emergency.
Kind of a stray thought, but it really shows how out of touch W was when he publically told 'Brownie' that he was doing a heck of a job. 5 or 6 days before he canned him.
That is not true about FEMA not being able to get in because of the levees breaking. The overpass, Superdome and convention center were all accessible by road, let alone air. How do you explain the lines of buses getting all those people EVENTUALLY. They were accessible.
If they could get friggin' school buses in there, I think FEMA could have figured out a way to get food and water in there.
Brownie got a free pass last year because the 4 storms hit Florida, and he wasn'r exposed. It took an incompetent state/local combination to show that he had never been doing his job all along.
Luckily for him, Floridas state leaders at every level know WTF they're doing when it comes to hurricanes.
'Brownie' was not qualified in the least to begin with and also FEMA has no business falling under Homeland Security. Another 5 layers of beauracracy is NOT what we need in an emergency.
Kind of a stray thought, but it really shows how out of touch W was when he publically told 'Brownie' that he was doing a heck of a job. 5 or 6 days before he canned him.
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You have to understand something about these 'mandatory evacuations.' New Orleans had an extremely high % of compliance. I believe theirs was above 50%. Very, very high.
In contrast, Naples(20 miles south of here) is under a mandatory evacuation and their mayor, just a few hours ago, estimated that there has been 20% compliance. That's about normal.
On Sanibel Island, Captiva Island and Fort Myers Beach (all about 7-10 miles south of here), there is about a 25% compliance right now according to a county official.
NO had an amazing evacuation rate. They were told the levees would withstand a CAT 3. Katrina landed a CAT 3. And as you mentioned, 80% of the problems resulted from a levees breaking.
"Brownie got a free pass last year because the 4 storms hit Florida, and he wasn'r exposed. It took an incompetent state/local combination to show that he had never been doing his job all along."
I agree with that Matt--when storm hit I could have give them a pass as land area to cover and eye not even hitting LA but when levees broke in aftermath they had no excuses.
Just saw on tv where cane is headed to Ft Meyers--dig in brother.
I agree with that Matt--when storm hit I could have give them a pass as land area to cover and eye not even hitting LA but when levees broke in aftermath they had no excuses.
Just saw on tv where cane is headed to Ft Meyers--dig in brother.
DOGS THAT BARK said:
Totally agree. There was really no unusual cause for concern after the first pass. But there was a total lack of understanding at every level when the first levee broke, let alone the others. They ignored it. There's no other way to put it.
Thanks Wayne, should get dicey around 4am tomorrow morning until 1 or 2 pm. As long as nothing comes though my windows, i'll be ok. They say this storm is gonna fly through here, over to the other coast and be gone from Florida by tomorrow evening.
That said, I have my AC on continuous right now and will keep it there. We'll see how low we can go..lol.. The power will probably be out for a day or two. Hopefully no damage to the house.
Just looking now at the TV, they have 3,000 people at just one of fort myers nine shelters. (Germane Arena) Seems calmer than the Superdome, though.
The shit should have hit the fan a few hours ago--you still have power? Hows things going? Give us update when you get a chance. Be Well.
Aint that the truth !!! :mj07: :mj07:
This was a foregone conclusion of course the Repubs didnt bitch about an act of nature !! They just got out of dodge or prepared for the storm ...hmmm go figure Im shocked ! :mj03:
This was a foregone conclusion of course the Repubs didnt bitch about an act of nature !! They just got out of dodge or prepared for the storm ...hmmm go figure
Im shocked ! :mj03:
Hoping he's just out of power Jack--am a little worried however as it looked like it was going to hit Ft Meyers pretty good.Let us know if you hear from him.
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FinancialsMore FPLFPL43.00, +0.48, +1.1%) , said 2.5 million of its 4.3 million customers were without power on Monday.
More than half of the outages - 1.7 million - are in Miami Dade and Broward Counties, along the southeast coast of Florida, said Tim Pagel, spokesman for the utility.
West Palm Beach County has an additional 430,000 outages and Sarasota, in the southwest, has reported 400,000 customers without power, Pagel said.
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FinancialsMore FPLFPL43.00, +0.48, +1.1%) , said 2.5 million of its 4.3 million customers were without power on Monday.
More than half of the outages - 1.7 million - are in Miami Dade and Broward Counties, along the southeast coast of Florida, said Tim Pagel, spokesman for the utility.
West Palm Beach County has an additional 430,000 outages and Sarasota, in the southwest, has reported 400,000 customers without power, Pagel said.
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Wishing you the best, Kosar. Sounds like she blew through there pretty fast. Thoughts are with Florida today, and nice to see things in preparedness for the hurricane.
