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Also where do you get off acting as if the PAC is this defensive conference made up of Steel Curtain D's. They arent in fact the PAC 10's SUCK!

Stop making judgement on defensives in the Big 12 off a few highlights you saw from one game. That is just dumb as well. If you want to make a claim like that make sure you know something about it.
 

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Now look what you did....I swore I wouldnt break this helmet out again, due to some personal heartbreak with this team, but now you have made me break it out again!!!!
 

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Scott, i have a suggestion for you and it will save all this bullshit. Get yourself a tape recorder and record all your best debate questions and answers about how usc is the best and then go just the opposite and record how texas is the WORST.

Then when you get the urge to yank off just play the tapes in a quiet room all by yourself. :jerkit:




:stfu:



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blgstocks said:
I cant wait for this guys excuses come jan 5 when SC plays a very good team and gets exposed like the joke they are. I bet this guys post is going to be about 2 pages long about the weather and how leinhart has bad memories and a bunch of BS.

Deja Vu!
I remember this same type of comment last year before SC dimantled OK. Everyone was on Scott's a$$ about the game, especially the typical mid-westerners who can't understand why teams don't simply line up across from each other and bash their heads together. :mj07:

Scott, pull up some of the relevent posts from last November and I'll bet some of them are verbatum.
 

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Scott - Enough points made by others. I have a life and a job, and enjoy watching Dragnet reruns. Never had Sgt. Friday put his finger up my nose though. How do you have time for these voluminous posts? Bow to Pete Allah Carrol 6 or more times a day if you like. He has a very good team, and is a fine coach. Brown is a better coach than widely credited. He out coached Tressel on a tough home field.
 

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3 Seconds said:
Also could you please stop calling UT's offense a high school gimmick offense. You look stupid doing so as it if very far from it. Just cause it is a different style than USC's or one you like doesnt make it a gimmick offense. In fact USC runs more gimmick plays than UT.

Texas offense is a high school offense. It isn't complicated and high school teams run it. What is complex about it? I have watched Texas quite few times this season and there is nothing fancy with their offense. Like that poster said, Texas likes to line up across from you and see who is best. Am I missing something with the Texas offense? Last week the plays that were a success against Kansas was Texas WR's run down field, Kansas 1 on 1 coverage, Young "floats" ball in air and Texas WR's catch it. Those were the big highlight plays. That is high school. Another play is Young scrambling and running it. That def. is high school offense.

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Dont forget Vince Young is most likely going to do something that NO ONE in the history of college football has ever done this year by throwing for over 2,500 yards & rushing for over 1,000 in the same season.

USC is going to do something too that has never been done. Unlike Texas, it isn't just 1 player.

Leinart 3k+ passing yards
Bush and White two 1,000+ rushers,
Jarret and Smith two 1,000 + receivers.


These players are proven too. Not just stat players. This is what they are playing for..........

3 consecutive NCs;
Most consecutive road victories;
Most consecutive league victories (presently ties with Cal at 22);
Most consecutive victories over ranked opponents (presently tied with OU);
Most consecutive victories in SC history (already have that one);
Most consecutive weeks rated #1 (already have that one);

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Also where do you get off acting as if the PAC is this defensive conference made up of Steel Curtain D's. They arent in fact the PAC 10's SUCK!

Never said or implied the Pac 10 is the #1 defensive conf. I have said it is much better defensively than what most think. Pac 10 plays better defense than the Big 12. I am sure of that! Also better offenses in the Pac 10 vs Big 12. (duh) All in all, the Pac 10 is better than the Big 12 this year.

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Stop making judgement on defensives in the Big 12 off a few highlights you saw from one game. That is just dumb as well. If you want to make a claim like that make sure you know something about it.

I agree I shouldn't judge a conf. from just 2 teams. Who are the top 3 defenses in the Big 12 outside of Texas?

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Now look what you did....I swore I wouldnt break this helmet out again, due to some personal heartbreak with this team, but now you have made me break it out again!!!!

:mj07:

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Deja Vu!
I remember this same type of comment last year before SC dimantled OK. Everyone was on Scott's a$$ about the game, especially the typical mid-westerners who can't understand why teams don't simply line up across from each other and bash their heads together. :mj07:

Scott, pull up some of the relevent posts from last November and I'll bet some of them are verbatum.

Same things have been said about USC 3 straight years. Some never learn. Texas may beat USC but USC is none of the things posters claim they are. I still have seen few posts saying USC is "over-rated" "weak Pac 10" "not physical" "easy schedule" etc etc etc

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Scott - Enough points made by others. I have a life and a job, and enjoy watching Dragnet reruns. Never had Sgt. Friday put his finger up my nose though. How do you have time for these voluminous posts? Bow to Pete Allah Carrol 6 or more times a day if you like. He has a very good team, and is a fine coach. Brown is a better coach than widely credited. He out coached Tressel on a tough home field.

Doesn't take me long to post because it is all in my head. It is my opinion. Often the reasearch is done by others or by me. If I have to do the research that is when it might take me while to post. Otherwise, it doesn't take me long at all. Whenever I see "facts" or "stats" that I might use in debating or handicapping, i save it to word. I read what others write, quote it, and post my opinion under it. Real fast and easy. I enjoy it. Especially when others cannot reply to what I posted!

I agree with you Brown is better coach than what most make him out to be. However he is not an elite coach.
 

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If Texas is going to rely on Vince to beat USC with is feet they are in deep, deep trouble. He is likely to get knocked out of the game if he runs too often. Scott may be a homer, but he has proven himself and USC right far too often in the past to disregard. He is definitely correct when saying that the Texas offense is sophomoric against USC's. If Texas is tough enough to beat USC on the offensive and defensive lines, they have a chance. And that is the only chance.
 

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Scott, I will give you 2 reasons why you wont beat Texas. Tatupu and Grootegoed.

Your linebackers are significantly worse this year. Not saying they are bad, but obviously has weakened your defense, hence the run defense giving up more than a yard per carry more this year. Still a good unit but not dominant by any means. The pass defense has also taken a hit from last year.

The offense is even better than last year, but it really was so dominant that it has gone unnoticed.

I got to see first hand what Texas can do offensively. And not to play your part for my own team, but there is no better defense in the country than the Buckeyes. And there is NO DEBATE as to who has the best trio of linebackers in the country.

I remember telling a buddy after Vince carved us up on the ground the first drive of the game that we are going to see what he is made of because AJ Hawk WILL NOT allow Vince to run anymore. And Vince did not after that first drive. But I will tell you what, he gave what the defense would give and he threw the ball effectively and he won the game for them.

I am just saying please do not think that your defense will go in there and be able to shut down Vince, because I know for a fact that he has got both the run and pass that should keep USC off balance.
 

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Scott, I will give you 2 reasons why you wont beat Texas. Tatupu and Grootegoed.

Your linebackers are significantly worse this year. Not saying they are bad, but obviously has weakened your defense, hence the run defense giving up more than a yard per carry more this year. Still a good unit but not dominant by any means. The pass defense has also taken a hit from last year.

Groots and Tatupu were excellent. Groots just got cut in NFL but Tatupu is starting on Seahawks. But the 2 freshman and 1 sohomoroe (Rivers, Mauluga and Cushing) are the 3 most talented LB trio in the country and fastest LB unit in the country. All 3 might start this Sat. against Fresno St. for first time because of injuries. Only thing lacking is exerience but so far all 3 have played exceptionally well but Rivers has been the only starter all year. Vince Young cannot run around those 3 LB's I mentioned above. These 3 players were all 5-star recruits out of high school.

DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT go by stats when judging this USC D. USC defense only has played 2 games from start to finish. Every other game they been pulled early and reserves got in. 2nd, USC suffered ton of injuries and player changes throughout the year. #3 it was young D 1h of year and now much more experienced.

but there is no better defense in the country than the Buckeyes. And there is NO DEBATE as to who has the best trio of linebackers in the country.

I think I would take USC D packaged with Pete Carroll as DC over Ohio St. D on Jan. 4th. Not joking. But I completely understand if you disagree. Remember, Ohio St. never plays on the road and don't go against better offenses than USC. So why do you assume Ohio St. has the better defense?

Didn't Ohio St. give up 456 yards to Michigan St.?
Didn't Ohio St. give up 578 yards to Minnesota?
Didn't Ohio St. give up 378 yards to Texas?

2/3 were home games for OSU!

USC D has played more nationaly ranked offenses than OSU and USC has played more ROAD games than OSU. 5 of USC first 7 games were on road against super high powered offenses (before their starting QB's got injured)

Most important stat is USC starting D has not played as many minutes as OSU starting D. That is a FACT! So stats are worthless to compare. USC starting D has only played 4 quarters twice all year and most of time barely played 3 quarters. Stats mean squat when you talk about USC. Especially ppg. USC given up ton of special teams pts that are assumed the starting D gave up.

All in all, I'll take USC D over Ohio St. on Jan. 4th if I had a choice. USC held ND under all their averages @ND with ND getting 2 weeks to prepare and ND offense having the ball for 38min. I don't think OSU could do the same. Most of ND stats came at end of 4th when USC D was spent.


I am just saying please do not think that your defense will go in there and be able to shut down Vince, because I know for a fact that he has got both the run and pass that should keep USC off balance.

I was told USC couldn't shut down OU offense. I was told Peterson would run for at least 100 yards and more like 200 yards. I was told OU had the best OL in CFB. OU in fact had NFL talent across the board on that team and experienced talent too! USC shut them down!

I'll let you in on a secret. After each and every BCS bowl game (Iowa, Michigan, and OU) USC defensive players said they new every play their opponent was running. Nothing new. This is how well coached and prepared USC is and the results can't be disputed. Texas has the most vanilla offense of any team USC plays ALL year. It is a high school offense. Carroll will have it schemed. Remember, Carroll was the best in the business in the NFL as DC. He is now going up against Mack Brown's offense? GOOD LUCK TEXAS! USC without a doubt will be the fastest defense they have seen all year. That includes Ohio St. Take all the 40 times of USC players and OSU doesn't match up. Especially at DL and safety. Pac 10 teams are also faster than Big 10 teams. OSU defense might have been more experienced than USC, but USC plays Texas Jan. 4th and not Sept/Oct.

If I am Texas I be worried that OSU moved the ball on Texas D but kicked FG's. OSU offense or USC offense? USC scores TD's not FG's. USC is not conservative like OSU. OSU dropped a wide open TD pass @OSU. OSU still put up 22pts on Texas.

I don't get why people "hype" Ohio St. defense but always downplay USC defense because of stupid stats. I guess USC will have to prove the country wrong again! USC D was downplayed before Iowa, Michigan, and OU. Most of the arguments were stats, not physical, and weak Pac 10. :shrug:

Miami D vs USC O would be something special! :scared
 

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Scott just likes to argue and provoke people. If everyone ignored his delusional views, he would go away.

Thank you, AU. He's just a kid who gains attention from this nonsense. I have tried to explain to Scott that a little ass would go a long way in taking the edge off.

I picture Scott as a caucasion Carlton from the "Fresh Prince". No sex, limited social life. 25 years old with posters of his favorite USC players and coaches on the wall.
 

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Scott,

I'll grant you that USC is one of the best if not the best team out their right now, but only time will tell. SC and Texas is the game that in my humble opinion EVERYONE would like to see. I cant forecast or predict who is going to come out ahead, their is definitely arguments for both sides, and that is why this game should be exciting and hopefully live up to the hype. Now I know your passion about SC, and I also realize you follow whole heartedly every game stat etc: with that said I think you have already decided for yourself the outcome of this game. I also realize this is your thread, and you can do and say whatever you like, but answer this: Is there really anything anybody can say about your team or Texas that could possibly change your mind about anything you already feel?? I really don't think so, but thats not a crime! Anyway all I know is it should be a great game. I give you alot of credit for your knowledge and passion about SC, and by no means is anything I'm writing meant to insult you or belittle you. I for one am really looking forward to this match-up. Take care..Cabo... :) :) :)
 

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If Texas is going to rely on Vince to beat USC with is feet they are in deep, deep trouble. He is likely to get knocked out of the game if he runs too often. Scott may be a homer, but he has proven himself and USC right far too often in the past to disregard. He is definitely correct when saying that the Texas offense is sophomoric against USC's. If Texas is tough enough to beat USC on the offensive and defensive lines, they have a chance. And that is the only chance.

Texas doesnt rely on Vince. Texas will take what you give them. Stack 8 in the box? They will pass on your ass. Play deep? They will run on you. Put a "spy" on Vince and dont let him run? They'll pass and run on you with Snead, Thomas, Selvin Young, Charles, Taylor, Pittman, etc......

Texas is not one dimensional. Vince Young just gives them a potent option of running or passing depending on what kind of defense they are facing.

USC has similar luxuries. You try to stop the run, Leinart will pass. You try to stop the pass, USC will run wild on you.

i dont think USC has faced this good of a defense.
i dont think UTexas has faced this good of an offense (TTech has a good offense, but way too one dimensional).

that's what makes this game so good, IMO.

people speak of the VY turnovers...he does force the action early on, but he rarely commits those turnovers late when it counts.

people speak of Mack Brown being a sorry coach and not winning the big one....I think the Rose Bowl last year and OhioSt this year proves this very very wrong.

Scott preaches the USC coaching staff's dominance and how they will have things for Texas. I counter that Texas probably has the best DC in the nation (when was the last time Chizik was on the losing side of a game??). Also considering Texas leads the nation in offense, I suspect they have a pretty good OC.

Both teams are equally talented. Both teams have played and won big games at home and the road.

Should be a great great game.
 

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I love a good preface during a debate, so I'll start out with one. I don't care for most of Scott's plays and after his BS about Wisconsin's players returning from injury and then not taking any responsibility for it, I really don't care for him as an honest capper.

BUT when it comes to USC there probably isn't a more knowledgable person on the board.

I think his most recent post is something to really consider. Texas has faced ONE top caliber opponent this season, Ohio State. Texas won straight up at the Shoe and proved to be the better team, no doubt. That said, OSU mostly settled for FGs and ran an unorganized, poorly schemed, newly inserted spread offense that had many many flaws - mainly in the red zone. And they still had a chance to win if not for a dropped pass in the endzone by the TE Hamby.

Now when looking at a USC vs. UT match-up, I'd say USC's offense out classes the Bucks many times over in terms of execution and game plan. It is my belief that USC's balanced offense and talented skill position players would have scored TDs where OSU settled for FGs. If OSU can score 22, what can USC do? USC should put up around 34 points.

Its tough to say where USC stands on D. I don't have anywhere close to the respect that Scott has for Carroll's ability as a DC, but as a coach in general, the guy knows how to win. His coaching ability combined with his players talents, and I think it is very fair to say that he could get his team to contain VY and Texas to 27 points.

Mack Brown has won TWO important games in his coaching career - Rose Bowl last year vs. Umich and at the Shoe against the Bucks this season. Mostly though he loses the big ones. He attempts to out skill his oppents instead of out coaching them.

I'd LOVE to see Texas win, and if the line come in at 8-10 or higher I'd love to see UT cover. But at 7 or less USC is too talented a team and too well coached a team. I don't see where an honest person can claim they are overrated. Yeah they play in a soft conference, but look what they have done over the past couple years against good teams and bad. Let the Orange Bowl be a lesson to all of you.
 

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IIf OSU can score 22, what can USC do? USC should put up around 34 points.
I think that is fair to say that Texas' defense has improved since the 2nd game of the season against OSU. Including the 22 points that Ohio State scored on Texas, the Horns are giving up only 14.3 points per game and only one team has scored three touchdowns on them.

I am not claiming that they have played the toughest of schedules and while strength of schedule rankings are subject to debate, Texas definately plays in the top one third. Regardless, I do not remember ANY team EVER scoring 149 unanswered points over eight quarters of football as Texas did between halftime at Oklahoma State and halftime at Kansas last week. Zero points were allowed by Texas in those eight quarters.

For all of the hype arround Carroll's DC pedigree, the Trojans have struggled in the first half of five of their games this year. Quinn and Co. gave USC all the wanted and then some and I do believe that Texas' offense is superior to that of the Irish.

On paper, this looks matchups looks like on of the best in recent years for a National Championship game and I am looking forward to it. For those who think that USC will have their way with Texas, I believe that you are in for one hell of a surprise.
 
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USC has similar luxuries. You try to stop the run, Leinart will pass. You try to stop the pass, USC will run wild on you.

Yeah both offenses have the potential to burn you with pass/run. Stats prove it. Texas adds the huge dimension of running QB. But the difference is USC runs a pro-style offense which is a lot more difficult to stop vs the Texas offense.

Take an NFL defense. Would they have easier time shutting down Texas or USC? There is NOTHING complex about Texas offense. Nobody in the NFL runs the Texas style offense. I am sure some of it has to do with QB taking hits. But I am telling you what Carroll has said. He said Fresno St. this week and other teams in the Pac 10 run complex balanced offenses. He said those are much more difficult to stop with NFL caliber QB's.

i dont think USC has faced this good of a defense.
i dont think UTexas has faced this good of an offense (TTech has a good offense, but way too one dimensional).

I agree! How about Texas not facing this good of a USC defense? You could argue Ohio St. D being better but I don't think they are. So lets just say USC is the 2nd best D Texas faces but USC D will be the fastest D Texas O has seen. USC also has the #1 DC in CFB leading their D with 4 weeks to prepare. Why does everyone overlook USC D? Last year against OU everyone overlooked the USC D. Carroll yesterday at press conf. says people overlook USC D because their offense is so dominant with star players that they feel the D must be a weak link. It isn't true.

that's what makes this game so good, IMO.

USC vs Miami I think be more interesting. Miami D vs USC O would be very interesting.

people speak of the VY turnovers...he does force the action early on, but he rarely commits those turnovers late when it counts.

Good point! That is true. But against USC if you turn the ball over early on, USC prob. will jump on you. OU had turnovers early on in OB and USC blew the game open. Same thing will happen to Texas if they turn the ball over early on and unfortunately Texas ALWAYS turns the ball over in big games. History proves that.

people speak of Mack Brown being a sorry coach and not winning the big one....I think the Rose Bowl last year and OhioSt this year proves this very very wrong.

Michigan last year in Rose Bowl wasn't a great team. Maybe a very good team but nothing great. Their defense was slow and Young exploited it. OSU this year was impressive because it was @OSU. But remember OSU had an inept offense and still could have beaten Texas if their wide open TE didn't drop TD pass.

Scott preaches the USC coaching staff's dominance and how they will have things for Texas. I counter that Texas probably has the best DC in the nation (when was the last time Chizik was on the losing side of a game??). Also considering Texas leads the nation in offense, I suspect they have a pretty good OC.

I LOVE THIS STATEMENT! :)

USC already faced Chizik twice in the Pete Carroll era. He is nothing. Carroll is 2-0 against him. Chizik has awesome defenses with awesome talent at AU. LB corps was amazing. He couldn't develop a gameplan to beat USC @AU when USC was starting brand new QB (Leinart) who NEVER has thrown a pass before and brand new RB. USC put up 23pts and over 300 yards offense. AU had less than 200 yards offense @AU. The year before that @USC USC threw over 300 yards passing against Chiziks AU defense. He has the mentality of blitzing. Teams who have given USC offense trouble are those who take away the big play and play it safe. Leinart can read defenses and now audibles. Blitzing is a bad idea but Chizik mentality is to bring pressure. I know Texas fans a goo go ga ga over this guy and he done great at Texas. But he also did great as DC in SEC play. But against a sophisticated passing attack, this guy isn't great. He has no clue. Texas D will have no clue. USC put up over 300 yards offense against him when he had great players at AU and USC had half the offense they have now. I think the AU defenses under Chizik were more talented than the Texas D. This Texas D has not played any great offenses.

Can AU fans back me up? Was AU more talented on D than Texas is now? I think they were.


Both teams are equally talented. Both teams have played and won big games at home and the road.

Equally talented? Not sure about that. USC has more talent but Texas is also loaded. OU last year was more talented than Texas is this year.

Texas has only won 1 big game on road. USC has won 3. Unless you are talking about that Oklahoma St. who beat Texas Tech and 3 directional schools in OOC? TT being another team who beat 3 directional schools in OOC. Big 12 is down, really down.

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Its tough to say where USC stands on D. I don't have anywhere close to the respect that Scott has for Carroll's ability as a DC

Carroll was the #1 DC and lead #1 rated defenses in the NFL. NFL consideres him to be a genius on defensive side of ball and that is why he was hired at such young age to be HC of Pats and Jets. VERY VERY respected. His mentor is Kiffen from Tampa Bay. Hasn't Carroll proven to you at the college level? Geesh. What more can the guy do?

Maybe if he played in a conf. where they hand the ball off all day and run into each other his defenses would have better stats and impress you. :rolleyes:

moeclarrett said:
I love a good preface during a debate, so I'll start out with one. I don't care for most of Scott's plays and after his BS about Wisconsin's players returning from injury and then not taking any responsibility for it, I really don't care for him as an honest capper.

After the day was over I posted in my thread admitting I was wrong. But before the game I posted WHY I was taking Wisconsin and HOW MUCH I was putting on them. I put $8,000 on Wisconsin to cover against Penn St. and I posted why. So I obviously paid the price heavily because Wisky didn't cover and my analysis was wrong. If I put 10k on ND over USC because I felt strong they were going to wear green jerseys, I'll post it! If they don't wear the green jersey and lose, I pay the price losing 11k.

moeclarrett said:
BUT when it comes to USC there probably isn't a more knowledgable person on the board.

Thanks! :)

Take this thread for example. I am posting why I feel a certain way and supporting my opinion in detail. I wish Texas backers can/could do the same.

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Cabo said:
with that said I think you have already decided for yourself the outcome of this game. I also realize this is your thread, and you can do and say whatever you like, but answer this: Is there really anything anybody can say about your team or Texas that could possibly change your mind about anything you already feel??

I said fromt he start I already capped this game last week. From now until Jan. 4th I can add/omit anything. I have USC winning by double digits. If someone can post telling me how Texas and exploit USC or where USC can be beat, I'll listen and see if it makes sense. Most arguments for Texas are this. VINCE YOUNG! VINCE YOUNG! VINCE YOUNG!
 

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honestly, this is all a bunch of BS.

it's very very simple. USC wins.














Lee Corso likes UTexas.
 

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Scott come on

Scott come on

Scott, USC is a great team, and we all know they will probably win their next 140 games, but you really need to pull yourself off the computer every once in a while for things like food, water, and sleep. :mj07:
 

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Scott4USC said:
OU last year was more talented than Texas is this year.

:bs:

If you believe this you are WAY underestimating UT.



Carroll was the #1 DC and lead #1 rated defenses in the NFL. NFL consideres him to be a genius on defensive side of ball and that is why he was hired at such young age to be HC of Pats and Jets. VERY VERY respected.

You need to take those rose colored glasses off. Carroll was not the greatest DC in the NFL. He was a decent DC/HC. Yes, he did for one year have the #1 rated D while in SF, but please the #'s speak for themselves.

You say those in the NFL call him a GENIUS DC?? :mj07:

Nobody in the NFL is calling him a genius. If this was the prevailing thought, he would never have been @ USC in the first place.

1990 Jets DC #17 ranked D
1991 Jets DC #12 ranked D
1992 Jets DC #18 ranked D
1993 Jets DC #7 ranked D
1994 Jets HC #15 ranked D
1995 49'ers DC #3 ranked D (looks as if he inherted a good D as in '94 they were already the #4 ranked D)
1996 49'ers DC #1 ranked D
1997 Pats HC #7 ranked D
1998 Pats HC #14 ranked D
1999 Pats HC #9 ranked D


Decent NFL DC, sure, #1 no way no how. He is not some defensive god you make him out to be especially on the NFL level.
 
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