Film Industry Piracy

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And here I thought movie/Hollywood sales were declining because
A) the products have been sucking lately
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B) Hollywood has declared itself the hotbed of political decisionmaking and joe public doesn't give a crap about their agendas anymore and won't support them.
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C) movie ticket prices have spiraled so far up that the cost just isn't worth it anymore for such a crappy product.

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Hollywood's major movie studios lost $6.1 billion in revenues in 2005 to illegal videos, DVDs and Internet downloads, which is about 75 percent higher than previous estimates, the studios' representative said.

In a study released late on Tuesday, the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), which represents the major studios in government affairs, said the study is the first to measure losses from Web downloading.

The study showed piracy in Asia is less a problem than in North America and Europe.

It also showed that losses stemmed not only from fewer ticket sales but also from fewer DVD sales which has been one of the growing business arenas in recent years.

"This study will help us better analyze and focus our efforts to fight movie theft," MPAA Chief Executive Officer Dan Glickman said in a statement.

For years the MPAA has said it believed the studios lost about $3.5 billion in annual revenues from the sale of illegal videos and DVDS, and it never estimated lost sales on the Web.

The study, conducted by LEK Consulting LLC and commissioned by the MPAA, showed losses in the United States alone totaling almost $1.3 billion. Mexico was No. 2 on the list, accounting for $483 million in lost sales.

The research dispelled a common belief Asian countries such as China had the most offenders. That country was No. 5 on the list with a total of $244 million in lost sales. Russia was No. 3 at $266 million, followed by Spain No. 4 with $253 million.

Of the $4.8 billion in lost revenues in international territories, nearly half of that came in Europe.

"Bootlegging," which the study defines as buying illegally copied movies, DVDS or Video CDs, accounted for $2.4 billion. "Illegal copying," making copies for yourself or getting them from friends, made up $1.4 billion. Finally, illegal downloads cost the studios $2.3 billion in lost revenues.

In the United States, illegal copying is the most prominent way to get pirated movies, whereas in other countries, downloads and bootlegging are more commonly used.

The average offending person is male, between 16 and 24 years-old and living in urban areas, according to the study.

Research was conducted in 28 countries, over 18 months.
 

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marine said:
And here I thought movie/Hollywood sales were declining because
A) the products have been sucking lately
and
B) Hollywood has declared itself the hotbed of political decisionmaking and joe public doesn't give a crap about their agendas anymore and won't support them.
or
C) movie ticket prices have spiraled so far up that the cost just isn't worth it anymore for such a crappy product.

Agree on all 3 of those ... maybe the celebs/moviestars/etc... need to take some major pay cuts and stop living outrageous lifestyles that we have to hear all about on all the stupid TV shows like E!, ET, etc... same with pro athletes ... pay them less and lower tickets prices so families that are living on normal incomes can actually afford to see their products. I haven't seen anything recently about any of the moviestars not being able to buy their multimillion dollar mansions and multiple extravagant cars. Fawk them and the industry!
 

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I am on the other side of this argument. There are a lot of cheap outlets to get movies legally without stealing them.

If movies are continually stolen, it's almost guaranteed that the quality of pictures will go down.

I, for one, don't mind paying $9 to go see a movie, $4.50 to rent one, or $20 a month for a Netflix subscription. I think they are all worth it when you look at two hours of entertainment.
 

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The mark up on all the entertainment products is massive enough for them to cover "shrink" losses of their industry.

I also think 99% of what comes out sucks.

I get the quality 1% from the good Dr posts. :SIB
 

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Can the quality of movies go lower than Gigli and Glitter
Basic Instint 2..????
Please I am not that stupid
 

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marine said:
And here I thought movie/Hollywood sales were declining because
A) the products have been sucking lately
and
B) Hollywood has declared itself the hotbed of political decisionmaking and joe public doesn't give a crap about their agendas anymore and won't support them.
or
C) movie ticket prices have spiraled so far up that the cost just isn't worth it anymore for such a crappy product.

:yup :yup Agree completely:yup :yup

kneifl
 

dawgball

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You're right. There weren't bad movies made pre-1990.
 

marine

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yea, but pre 1990 i didnt have to pay 9.50 a head and 10 bucks a bucket for popcorn to sit thru 15 minutes of pre-movie commercials.
 

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You gotta admit though, the quality of mover theaters, with stadium seating and sound quality has also sky-rocketed in the last 15 years.

And really not much costs the same as it did in 1990.

I wish we could crack down on foreign piracy on our "art" but it's not like those countries would actually spend billions of dollars if they couldnt get the movies for free. They would probably just skip it. So a crackdown isn't likely to raise revenue that much anyway.
 

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Oh yeah. People didn't complain about movie prices until the last few years. It's always been something that people say. Something else that is as old as djv ( ;) ) is people saying that movies aren't as good as they used to be.

My only beef is with the thought that it is okay to steal movies (and music) because you don't want to pay the price tag. I bet a pickup truck costs more than it did in 1990 (and they sure don't make them like they used to), but what happens if you steal one of those?

There are a lot of things that I think the movie industry needs to fix immediately or they are going to put themselves in a very tough predicament. But that does not make it okay to steal just because someone doesn't feel like they should have to pay for it. It is absolutely no different than stealing groceries, cars, etc. What are we teaching our children? Oh I forgot, "kids these days......"
 

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I agree with you dawg, but, I am not endorsing film/music piracy. Heck, I think I am the only person in America under 35 that does not have an iPod, or has never downloaded a song off the net.

It sounds to me as if the movie industry is blaming piracy for their sluggish financial results rather than looking at the deeper source of the problem - more involvement in extra curricular activities trying to tell people how to live their lives and who to vote for than focusing on making quality movies.

Movies are entertainment venues. Not guides to lifestyles. By the shrinking revenue numbers it looks like joe public is finally starting to send that message to hollywood.
 
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