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For those of you who need yet another reason not to trust Bush. He not only lies us into a war but plays politics with everything. The NY Times did not release any secret as Bush declares.


'Less than two weeks after the 9/11 attacks, Bush signed an executive order calling for greater cooperation with foreign entities to monitor money that might be headed to terrorist groups. The executive order was posted on the White House website.

The document called for ``cooperation with, and sharing information by, United States and foreign financial institutions as an additional tool to enable the United States to combat the financing of terrorism."

Richard Newcomb , the head of the Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Asset Control at the time, later publicly credited the president for enabling US law enforcement and intelligence agencies to nab suspected terrorists, including followers of ``Hambali, " Al Qaeda's leader in Southeast Asia. The New York Times report said Hambali's capture in 2003 came with the aid of information gleaned from SWIFT.

Administration officials have said this week that the disclosure of such details were particularly damaging to US security.

Nevertheless, in July 2003 -- a month before Hambali was captured -- Newcomb told the Senate Government Affairs Committee in detail about a program initiated after 9/11 between his office and the Pentagon to track Hambali's financial network in Southeast Asia. The scope of the project included Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia, and Singapore, focusing on the finances of Jemaa Islamiyah , the Al Qaeda group run by Hambali that was responsible for deadly bombings in Bali in 2002.

He said the operation ``identified the key leaders, fund-raisers, businessmen, recruiters, companies, charities, mosques, and schools that were part of [Jamaa Islamiyah] support network. Thus far, we have imposed sanctions against two of these key nodes, and are coordinating action against several others," Newcomb told the committee.

Other public documents have also detailed post-9/11 efforts to follow terrorist money.

The Patriot Act approved by Congress after the attacks emphasized providing new authorities for the Bush administration to track and choke off terrorist funds around the world. One part of the act, dealing specifically with terrorist money, was described by the Treasury Department as the most ``significant [anti-money-laundering] law" since a 1970 law requiring banks to report cash transactions over $10,000.

That section of the Patriot Act required the Bush administration to ``adopt regulations to encourage further cooperation among financial institutions, their regulatory authorities, and law enforcement authorities" to track terrorist-related money laundering.

In testimony before Congress in early 2002, Juan C. Zarate , deputy assistant Treasury secretary in charge of terrorism and violent crime, discussed how the global exchange of information was a key element in choking off their source of funds.

He cited a special international meeting hosted a month after the attacks by the international Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, ``to eliminate existing impediments to exchanging information" between financial institutions and to find solutions to the challenges of tracking terrorist funds."
 

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No Surprise here. Bush has his leakier set everything in motion. Anything to get every-ones interest off how bad Iraq is. Just part of the game.
 

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stevie..

i'm not surprise that i strongly disagree with you...but not in the mood to debate you...

don't know if this is true but here is a letter written by a soldier from iraq...take it fwiw...

Lt. Tom Cotton writes this morning from Baghdad with a word for the New York Times:

Dear Messrs. Keller, Lichtblau & Risen:

Congratulations on disclosing our government's highly classified anti-terrorist-financing program (June 23). I apologize for not writing sooner. But I am a lieutenant in the United States Army and I spent the last four days patrolling one of the more dangerous areas in Iraq. (Alas, operational security and common sense prevent me from even revealing this unclassified location in a private medium like email.)

Unfortunately, as I supervised my soldiers late one night, I heard a booming explosion several miles away. I learned a few hours later that a powerful roadside bomb killed one soldier and severely injured another from my 130-man company. I deeply hope that we can find and kill or capture the terrorists responsible for that bomb. But, of course, these terrorists do not spring from the soil like Plato's guardians. No, they require financing to obtain mortars and artillery shells, priming explosives, wiring and circuitry, not to mention for training and payments to locals willing to emplace bombs in exchange for a few months' salary. As your story states, the program was legal, briefed to Congress, supported in the government and financial industry, and very successful.

Not anymore. You may think you have done a public service, but you have gravely endangered the lives of my soldiers and all other soldiers and innocent Iraqis here. Next time I hear that familiar explosion -- or next time I feel it -- I will wonder whether we could have stopped that bomb had you not instructed terrorists how to evade our financial surveillance.

And, by the way, having graduated from Harvard Law and practiced with a federal appellate judge and two Washington law firms before becoming an infantry officer, I am well-versed in the espionage laws relevant to this story and others -- laws you have plainly violated. I hope that my colleagues at the Department of Justice match the courage of my soldiers here and prosecute you and your newspaper to the fullest extent of the law. By the time we return home, maybe you will be in your rightful place: not at the Pulitzer announcements, but behind bars.

Very truly yours,

Tom Cotton
Baghdad, Iraq
 

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AR, it is good you are not in the mood to debate me. The facts are the facts. This was not a secret program. I even remember Bush mentioning it in the days after 9-11. He was explaining steps we were taking to trace the finances of terrorists.
That soldier, if he exists, has the story wrong. Plain and simple. Most likely, if he exists, the poor bastard swallowed the kool aid.
 

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Just saw a report on MSNBC where Bush him self has mention we were doing this 7 different times in speeches last 4 years.
And Swift that was helping us do this has the info on its web site. And has for last 6 months. What ever Swift is some Europe out fit helping track the money. It has not been any big secrete.
Again what Bush should be pissed about someone that works for him is leaking.
 

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bush doesn't think before he blabs....

AND BUSH IS PAVING THE WAY FOR ANOTHER 120 MILLION IMMIGRANTS TO ENTER THIS COUNTRY

If there are people out there thinking about coming to New York City , forget it....the aren't anymore Americans left here in NYC.

all you will see is the torch of The Statue of Libert sticking out of the sand....and of course Charlton Heston.
 

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This is the genius of Karl Rove. Bush and company say things that are completley untrue. They then have right wing radio and Fox News to repeat it a few hundred times. Next thing you know guys like the Weasel are buying into it and posting how terrible every body is. This whole administration is a crock. How anyone can believe a word that comes of Bush's mouth is beyond me.
 

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stevie...if you`re intimating it wasn`t classified,you are prevaricating......or just not up on your facts...


i wonder why...if it wasn`t classified information...that bi-partisan members of congress...as well as the republican and democratic heads of the 9/11 commission....requested that the times not go public with the program?.....

and the times was very specific...this wasn`t a general information revelation...it was pinpoint specific....

they might as well have just skipped the newspaper and secretly forwarded the info directly to al qaeda.....could have saved them some grief...

i know that you`d prefer living in a society in which the times...and the msm decides what`s classified....and not the elected gov`t....

but,that`s not how it works...

do you really think that hindering bush's conduct of the war on terror is going to get you any closer to universal healthcare, government funded abortion on demand, a $10 an hour minimum wage, outlawed handguns, the federal register published in 75 languages, including ebonics and federally recognized gay marriage?...

any of this stuff?....if it did, would accommodating terror be worth it?....

do you really think that the murder of innocent people on trains and buses is just part of the politics of getting what you want?....

you just got a nice little gift thanks to the theorists(assholes) at supreme court.......now the terrorists that murder us without "due process" get geneva convention protections....

as ass-backwards as that is....

be happy with that...
 
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I must be missing something here...

StevieD said:
'Less than two weeks after the 9/11 attacks, Bush signed an executive order calling for greater cooperation with foreign entities to monitor money that might be headed to terrorist groups. The executive order was posted on the White House website.

How is this a secret program and the release of it damaging to security if the executive order was posted on the White House website?
 

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the difference is obvious.....it`s the difference between a generic statement that we`re trying to stop terrorist funding and publishing the intelligence capabilities and processes and procedures of our intelligence community......

contrary to some b.s. that`s been circulating,swift isn`t the ONLY way to transact financial business....

you have saudi/ yemeni/sudanese/afghani/pakistani bankers that now know the who/what/when/where/why and how of our program and they will never ...NEVER use them (or anything like them) EVER AGAIN,,,

it`s called pattern analysis....and there will soon be a "book"' of what funding sources to NEVER USE.... .....

now it`ll be much easier thanks to the msm...

throw in the nsa international surveillance program,the outting of the covert c.i.a flights to different nations on planes that were disguised as commercial transports.....

add it all up...and it undermines our covert capacity....other nations won`t deal with us for fear of being exposed in our media....

middle eastern nations like egypt,jordan,pakistan et al that are walking a tightrope with their own citizenry to cooperate covertly with the u.s....in the war on terror...



it`s not that difficult to figure out....
 

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Using the logic of the Weasel, But then again that's like an oxymoron, Bush should be impeached because he has been talking about this for years!....

This is another mis-direction play orchestrated by Rove....

It's like Bush runs against McCain in 200 and they question his sanity for having been held POW......

Like questioning Kerry's Purple Hearts......

Those little misdirection plays gots the spotlite off of Daddy Bush getting Junior an out to Vietnam...

This is no different.....

If it was a secret why was Bush talking about it?
 

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"meanwhile,deep in the bowels of the white house basement,karl schemes up more shenanigans for "the puppet".......... :shocked:


(some are more dense than hillary`s ankles)

stevie....i kid.... :mj06:

i really appreciate you after barely surviving my bryanz encounter....
 

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Weasel, when you can't attack the facts you attack the person. You learn well.
 

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"Weasel, when you can't attack the facts you attack the person. You learn well."...

i was kidding ....i was trying to be nice....that`s what i get.....

other than bryanz,i seldom,if ever get personal with other posters....and i was only sarcastic with bryanz....not nasty...

maybe i throw an occasional "moonbat" around here and there...i certainly don`t believe that`s worth throwing down over...

i like the guys that post here....and i certainly don`t take it personally when they rough me up.......

stevie..that`s your argument?.....the "fact" that you are representing is that the "swift program"...the "nsa program"....weren`t classified?...then,i have to tell you, you are just flat out wrong......

Belgium washes hands of bank trawling by US/

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - "Belgium appeared to wash its hands on Wednesday of """secret U.S. counter-terrorism searches through the records of a Belgian-based organization that handles global financial transfers"".

""Confidential data"" supplied to U.S. authorities by the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunications (SWIFT) had been collected by the firm's U.S. subsidiary, a government statement said.

The Belgian government had asked its intelligence coordination body to check whether the country's laws had been respected and whether the interests of Belgian citizens had been affected by the transfers.

However, the preliminary conclusion that only SWIFT's U.S. subsidiary was involved suggested the Belgian government did not feel a need to get involved in the affair, ""which has sparked left-wing criticism in Europe and the United States"".



again....""which has sparked left-wing criticism in Europe and the United States"".

this(aside from giving specific information to our enemies) is why treason and sedition harm our country...

if every covert operation is published in "the slimes"it undermines other nation`s ability to work behind the scenes with us in the war on terror....and other policy initiatives.....

i checked my copy of the constitution.....the only checks and balances mentioned are the executive, legislative and judicial branches....

no mention of the press being a branch of government with which the others must cooperate and play nicely....

above all, the msm apparently considers that surveillance of enemies who have killed 3000 of our fellow citizens and publicly vows to kill even more somehow qualifies as "government's abuse of power".....

of course,when we get hit again,they`ll try and impeach bush for "not connecting the dots"....

good grief.....
 

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gardenweasel said:
do you really think that hindering bush's conduct of the war on terror is going to get you any closer to universal healthcare, government funded abortion on demand, a $10 an hour minimum wage, outlawed handguns, the federal register published in 75 languages, including ebonics and federally recognized gay marriage?.
What's wrong with abortion ? It helps eliminate many of the people that you have no use for ? You don't get personal ? what a joke. Maybe I have miss read your takes because I don't understand ebonics. Issues like abortion and gay marriage are diversion issues,separate and conquer issues, the extremist in both parties take us to the cleaners when we focus on these issues come election time. How much of the budget would actually go to gay marriage and abortion. Most of the people like you that are against abortion have no use for people that are unlike you. You cry yourself to sleep about poor people on Gov programs. I agree, poor people on assistance should stop having babies. As a conservative I believe in less government. Government doesn't need to be involved in the abortion Issue,but I will say abortion is cost effective. There will always be abortion in this country weather it is legal or not especially for people with money. It's an issue we don't need to waste time over. The sun is going to come up tomorrow, and someone is going to have an abortion,there is no way to stop it. Move on.
 

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Is it not funny that most of the people that are against abortion, have had abortions themselves and have no use for people that are not like them and they are against birth control and diversity. It doesn't add up. You should be for abortion, less people for you to hate.
 

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This NY Times planned leak was a diversionary tactic. It worked. To Bad Bush and his Cons are not as good with their military tactics. How many of our men have they aborted so far in this well planed out war. Somebody please tell LT Cotton to keep his eye on the ball and not the senseless politics of this war. It is a fact that this administration has declassified and leaked to the NY Times. They have and had many ties to this paper. The Times and this White House walk hand in hand. They are linked by educational institutions,friends, family. They walk in the same social groups. If you ever take the time to connect the dots; the lines are blurred. It simply amazing how these to institutions are connected. Start with Bush's Girl, (queen of the WMD'S) Judith Miller. Who did she know at the White house ? Better than that ,who are her friends and associates and who they know at the white house.
 

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You don't even know who we are dealing with. Do you think the people that planned Sept 11th are stupid ? Don't you think that they have a understanding of how our system works or doesn't work ? If you truly believe that they benefited by this leak, you don't understand and you are making the same mistake that Bush and the Cons are making. You are underestimating the enemy. This leak and the leaks to follow are for the consumption for guys like you.
 

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bryanz said:
You don't even know who we are dealing with. Do you think the people that planned Sept 11th are stupid ? Don't you think that they have a understanding of how our system works or doesn't work ? If you truly believe that they benefited by this leak, you don't understand and you are making the same mistake that Bush and the Cons are making. You are underestimating the enemy. This leak and the leaks to follow are for the consumption for guys like you.

BINGO! We have a winner!
 

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gardenweasel said:
do you really think that hindering bush's conduct of the war on terror is going to get you any closer to universal healthcare, government funded abortion on demand, a $10 an hour minimum wage, outlawed handguns, the federal register published in 75 languages, including ebonics and federally recognized gay marriage?...


You are against a minimum wage increase and Universal Health care. I'm with you on those Two. I work for myself and pay for my own health care, I also believe that there are allot of people out there that are not worth 10 an hour. The only problem I see with these issues, our law makers have Universal health care and they have a pay raise in our next budget. I think the senators and the congressman should take pay cuts and pay for their own health care. I don't think it's right for the people to have to pay for their abortions on demand. These people make to much money, why do I have to pay for their health care. I don't have a problem with wealthy people, all or most of our law makers are. If they wan't to make money do it in the private sector not on the backs of people that don't make as much as they do , the people that they were sent to Washington to serve. Who is serving who at this point ?
 
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