TOTAL BULLSHIT! WTF IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY??!!

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Sunday, June 9

Read this while it's still legal




As most of us toasted liberty and pursued happiness last week, Jim Harvill opened his mailbox and learned these rights are not as unalienable as he thought.

On July 3, Harvill, an affable operations manager for Sprint PCS near Spokane, got the following letter from the publisher of two magazines he has subscribed to for years. "It is with deep regret that we must inform you ... " it read, "we must cancel all subscriptions to Washington State."

The magazines are "Casino Player" - a monthly review of U.S. casinos and hotels - and "Strictly Slots" - a guide to one-armed bandits, video poker and other mechanized means of gambling.

Hardly classic literature. But Harvill liked them. And now he can no longer read them, thanks to a twisted reading of the state's new law against Internet gambling.

The state says placing bets online is against the law. Fine. But the state goes on to say that even writing about Internet gambling in a way that's promotional is "aiding and abetting" an illegal industry.

So now two print magazines consider themselves banned in this state. It's not clear whether the publisher pulled them on his own or was asked to by the state. The letter vaguely cites "new state laws regarding the legality of online gaming."

Mind you, no actual betting occurs via these magazines. People like Harvill buy them just to read about gambling.

"It's completely surreal," Harvill says. "My government is saying there is something I'm not allowed to read. I've lived in this country for 60 years and I can't remember anything like this happening to me before."

Well, it has certainly happened to others. Ask Larry Flynt. But it is almost never allowed to stand. Has to do with all that stuff we heard ad nauseam last week about independence and the freedom to think and speak as we want.

The nation's birthday week was a dark one for the most unruly and inconvenient of our freedoms, expression.

We learned that a high-school band in Everett had been barred from playing "Ave Maria" because the song is too religious. This is as baffling as if an art class were not permitted to study Michelangelo.

And then a Fort Lewis Army officer, who was properly accused of refusing to ship out to Iraq, was inexplicably charged for saying "contemptuous words against the President of the United States."

Lt. Ehren Watada had said the president misled us into a war that, in retrospect, was a mistake. Shocking! Even in the military, how can stating the obvious be a jailable offense?

I realize there are arguments for all these clampdowns. Still, it ought to give us pause that in one Fourth of July week we had two magazines banned in the state, one song muzzled in a school district and a slew of words outlawed in the military.

Would a confident people do this to themselves?

Oh, well. So we can't read up on Internet betting. Students can't play songs about Jesus' mother. Soldiers can't call the president a charlatan.

If we all get really bored, at least we can still burn the flag.

http://archives.seattletimes.n...0060709&query=gambling
 

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This crap is really getting out of hand...the only reason the government is doing this is because they are not getting any share of the profits. I mean, shouldn't they be taking away the state lottery if gambling is so bad. I am positive that is just as bad, if not worse than poker.
 

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I agree with this article in every way except one. Soldiers should not be allowed to bad mouth the President. That could be very dangerous to many people. But soldier life is not the same as civilian life.

But everything else in this article is despicable.
 

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ditto hereDawg-- except for one statement of his--

""My government is saying there is something I'm not allowed to read. I've lived in this country for 60 years and I can't remember anything like this happening to me before."

He needed to insert "his home state" instead of gov--for the time being anyway.

Can't see this trying to be pushed through on federal level--hopefully not anyway.

Would be curious if anyone has any info on who was responsible for getting this bill passed in state of Washington.
 
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Agree with DTB and Dawgball on all counts. It is total BS Jack. Too much government interferance in our lives nowadays. It takes away a lot of our personal freedoms - like privacy - I guess that's a thing of the past.

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I think the answer is we all have to get out there and vote. I guarantee you there are more players out there than "righteous-gonna-save-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not" types.

They form groups and push their adjenda through their legislators, their voices are heard...most of us seem to be to busy checking scores to find the time to go out there and vote...
 

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Buckeye85 said:
This crap is really getting out of hand...the only reason the government is doing this is because they are not getting any share of the profits. I mean, shouldn't they be taking away the state lottery if gambling is so bad. I am positive that is just as bad, if not worse than poker.

I agree completely... :Yep: :Yep: :Yep:
 

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so much for the constitution...

freedom of the press... nope

freedom of speech...... nope

hope this websites server is not in Washington.

ironic and sad this is all happening in a state named after our founding father!!!!!
 

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The reason the Lotto is different than online gaming is they get their piece of the Lotto pie! They get nothing from the billion dollar onlime gaming industry and that pisses them off!

Lotto=additional tax on the stupid
 

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Axle said:
I think the answer is we all have to get out there and vote. I guarantee you there are more players out there than "righteous-gonna-save-you-whether-you-like-it-or-not" types.

They form groups and push their adjenda through their legislators, their voices are heard...most of us seem to be to busy checking scores to find the time to go out there and vote...

I agree with this statement, and it is very true and sad that more people voted for American Idol than the last few presidential elections (or any other election for that matter). All it takes is a couple of hours to become educated on each parties' platform and agenda and vote accordingly, then at least you are making a conscious effort to get your voice heard...
 

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Online Wagering Under Attack in Congress
Jul 10 3:02 PM US/Eastern

By NANCY ZUCKERBROD
Associated Press Writer


WASHINGTON

Gamblers who prefer their laptops to blackjack tables won't like what Congress is doing. On Tuesday, the House plans to vote on a bill that would ban credit cards for paying online bets and could padlock gambling Web sites.

The legislation would clarify existing law to spell out that it is illegal to gamble online.

To enforce that ban, the bill would prohibit credit cards and other payment forms, such as electronic transfers, from being used to settle online wagers. It also would give law enforcement officials the authority to work with Internet providers to block access to gambling Web sites.

Some opponents of the legislation say policing the Internet is impossible, that it would be better to regulate the $12 billion industry and collect taxes from it. The online gambling industry is based almost entirely outside the United States, though about half its customers live in the U.S.

Other critics complain that the bill doesn't cover all forms of gambling. They point to exemptions they say would allow online lotteries and Internet betting on horse racing to flourish.

"If you're going to support legislation that is supposed to 'prohibit gambling,' you should not have carve-outs," said Andrea Lafferty, executive director of the conservative Traditional Values Coalition.

Other conservative and antigambling groups are supporting the legislation, sponsored by Reps. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., and Jim Leach, R-Iowa.

John Kindt, a business professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign who has studied the issue, calls the Internet "the crack cocaine" of gambling.

"There are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house," he said.

Congress has considered similar bills several times before. In 2000, disgraced lobbyist Jack Ambramoff led a fierce campaign against it on behalf of an online lottery company.

Online lotteries are allowed in the latest bill, largely at the behest of states that increasingly rely on lotteries to augment tax revenues.

Pro-sports leagues also like the bill, arguing that Web wagering could hurt the integrity of their sports.



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The bill is H.R.4411

This is absolutely nuts. This is what they do in China - force isp's to ban and block sites. But then they go farther by getting banks and money processors involved. You can't enforce this without snooping into people's financial and internet records via banks and Isp's. What a country. What a disgrace.
 
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