Morning After Pill OTC

[dawgball]

I heard ont he radio yesterday that the FDA has approved an Morning After Pill for Over the Counter use for women 18 years of age or older.

They had a sound clip from a Pro-Choice person and a Pro-Life person. I thought it was hysterical that both sides were blaming Bush completely.

Pro-Lifer: I lay the moral failures on this decision of our country to approve this use squarely at the feet of George Bush.

Pro-Choice: It is evident that it is Mr. Bush's right-wing Christian agenda that has kept this pill's availability limited from many minors who would greatly benefit from this drug to get them out of an uncomfortable situation.


The man simply can not win!

 

[Chadman]

Not sure who the pro-choice spokesperson was, but the word "uncomfortable" in expressing the situation these people are in should be kindling for the fire to the opposition. That's a terrible word to use to defend the use of this pill, especially if criticizing someone else.

 

[dawgball]

Those were my best shot at quotes. They were not direct.

Sorry if it was misleading. The words may not be the exact same but the message is not far off.

I do remember her saying something to the effect of an "uncomfortable" or "terrible" or "unfortunate" situation.

It actually may have been "unfortunate". I remember thinking it was a bad comment, but oh well.

 

[Happy Hippo]

dawgball - Out of curiosity, was the pro-lifer a man or a woman?

 

[Agent 0659]

dawgball - Out of curiosity, was the pro-lifer a man or a woman?

Woman -250
Man +230

 

[bjfinste]

Even if it was worded poorly, the pro-choicer is correct, not necessarily in terms of blaming Bush, but in the overall policy. The one group that would benefit the most from this (minors) is the one most restricted.

 

[kosar]

I'm as pro-choice as they come, but I don't really have a problem with the over 18 rule, for any number of reasons.

I just think it's a miracle that this pill got approved after all these years.

 

[dawgball]

Woman

kosar -- I think this is a different drug than the RU...46 or whatever. This one, if I understand it correctly is supposed to keep the egg from fertilizing where the other wouldn't let a fertilized egg attach (or stay attached) to the uterus.

But, boy, could I be way off.

bj -- i'm shocked.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Can see where your coming from HH and agree 100% with you on this one.
While I am more so against abortion I think it is choice each has to make on their own and live with.
--and since the man does not have to carry it around for 9 months and go through any of the agony--the woman would rule on decision IMHO

 

[kosar]

Woman

kosar -- I think this is a different drug than the RU...46 or whatever. This one, if I understand it correctly is supposed to keep the egg from fertilizing where the other wouldn't let a fertilized egg attach (or stay attached) to the uterus.

I'm almost positive that this one prevents the egg from attaching to the uterus or if already attached it somehow 'tries' to dislodge it. I believe it is the same as, or a very close cousin of RU 46 or 486 or whatever that was.

 

[bjfinste]

Dawgs- Shocked that I recognize that no group sees their lives ruined by unwanted pregnancy more than teenage girls (who are kids themselves)?

Kosar - I don't know exactly what the this pill consists of, but I know a girl who is a hard-core, pro-life jesus freak (minister's daughter) and would never use something that could be even mildly considered along the lines of abortion.... and she has used this before (unless I'm thinking of a different kind of morning-after pill). She did have to call and get a perscription the next morning before she could use it, though.

 

[kosar]

Kosar - I don't know exactly what the this pill consists of, but I know a girl who is a hard-core, pro-life jesus freak (minister's daughter) and would never use something that could be even mildly considered along the lines of abortion.... and she has used this before (unless I'm thinking of a different kind of morning-after pill). She did have to call and get a perscription the next morning before she could use it, though.

Of course, man. That's the sort of situation this pill is perfect for.

She got the prescription and handled it.

I do not consider using this pill as having an abortion. It's effective for like 3 days and I do not consider a 3 day old zygote a person.

I'm sure Freeze has a different opinion.

My first post probably wasn't that clear, but the reason I have no problem with the 18 and up w/out parental consent clause has nothing to do with whether it's considered an abortion or not.

If any of that makes sense.

 

[smurphy]

What are people under 18 doing having sex anyway? Sheesh.

 

[kosar]

What are people under 18 doing having sex anyway? Sheesh.

They can either tell their parents that they had sex and get the pill or they can wait until they start to show and explain it then.

 

[dr. freeze]

im in favor of this pill

im against anything thereafter implantation

 

[Happy Hippo]

The reason I asked if it was a woman, is because I have a hard time believing any woman (even in the pro-life camp) could think that 3 days is the same as having an abortion after a month or so... But obviously we are poorly represented once more...

If all you men can recognize the folly of this "moral failure", then certainly a woman should be able to. I am "pro-life" in the sense that abortion should not be treated lightly, but the government (which is subsequently controlled by men) has no right to tell a woman what to do with her body.

As Dogs pointed out, it is a choice that a woman has to live with, and not always an easy one, as evidenced through many woman I have talked to over the years.

Cheers boys - seems we ALL agree on an issue... even the good dr.

 

[kosar]

im in favor of this pill

im against anything thereafter implantation

Well, then I was wrong. That's *something*, Freeze. Don't agree with your 'anything thereafter' clause, but it's something. lol

I wouldn't bet my life on it, but i'm pretty sure about 3 or so years ago when that RU drug came up as a topic here, you were against it.

You've grown, Obi Wan, you've grown.

 

[djv]

Nice for all you young guys and gals that might just slip up. Even better for you parents that may have a daughter that just gets in trouble that one night that never happen to her before. If I understand right someone under 17 but over 14 can get these with approval thru a doctor and there parents.

 

[dr. freeze]

"woman can do whatever she wants with her own body"

this line is very misleading as no one would argue that a baby/fetus is the woman's body so please eliminate that line from your rhetoric/schpeel

i may have been opposed to RU486 and may be for it now in some situations now but i also used to think abortion was okay in rape and incest and after my medical training i am completely against that idea as i don't think any baby deserves to be chopped up and have their brains sucked out...they are the innocent party in the matter

fyi my wife, mom, mother-in-law and many other women i know are women completely opposed to abortion and much more emotionally attached to the issue than most men i know are so please lets leave the "man-hating/oppressed-feeling" complex out of it as it simply does not exist -- many guys i know that are against Abortion are so because their wives are and usually us guys are told what to do by our wives

 

[bjfinste]

no one would argue that a baby/fetus is the woman's body

Since when? That has pretty much been the basis of the argument for pro-choicers for years. People don't celebrate Conception Days; they celebrate Birthdays.