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[bryanz]

Bottom LINE :

Bottom LINE :

We can't will democracy with American troops and guns on the ground in Iraq. We can support the effort in other ways. No amount of American blood will bring democracy to Iraq. It's that simple, anyone that does not understand that , doesn't get it. Our innocent troops being killed in Iraq, does not make us safe here at home. Bush has said that we have to fight it over there so that we don't have to fight it here at home. That's bull shit. He is right about fighting it over there but his there is the wrong place the wrong way. Why do you think that high level ex military have asked for Rumsfeld to resign ?

 

[The Sponge]

I don't follow all these posts but just curious, what would you do to make you feel safer against terrorism. I can understand you anti-bush feelings but tell me what should be done. Dealin with people who hate just because we aren't them is a tough thing to fight. Maybe we shouldn't? Turn the cheek sort of attitude? What would be some of the alternatives you suggest? Not argueing, just playing devils advocate, looking for you to explain your thinking another step forward.

First off your totally clueless on why they hate. Go read Bin Ladens transcript right before the 2006 election. You want to feel safe its easy. we completely pull out of the middle east. Its that simple but we wont. That is all they want our greedy interest out of their lives. Its that simple. would you like it if they were over here in our business constantly and now occupying us? Hell no and if we didn't have weapons like they do we would be the sucide bombers.

 

[pirate fan]

Sponge, I would like to think that but Regardless if we are there or not, they would still come after us because that is their radicalism in Islam. Check out what Tom from Iran is saying lately. That is the the scary guy over there. His whole purpose is to create chaos around the world. There will always be an excuse to kill. Bryanz, what about the innocent people in these other countries, do their lives matter at all. And if these terrorists are all over the place, do we bomb them all? Sorry if I misread your earlier post, in all honesty, I was in a rush.

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, I would like to think that but Regardless if we are there or not, they would still come after us because that is their radicalism in Islam. Check out what Tom from Iran is saying lately. That is the the scary guy over there. His whole purpose is to create chaos around the world. There will always be an excuse to kill. Bryanz, what about the innocent people in these other countries, do their lives matter at all. And if these terrorists are all over the place, do we bomb them all? Sorry if I misread your earlier post, in all honesty, I was in a rush.

Pirate people don't hate for any reason. We are and have been killing innocent Muslims for years. Isreal has been doing it for decades and we always back them up. Finally these people are fighting back and they are sick of it. The people of Isreal are like the people here. We are sick of the fighting but its our gov't who bear all the blame. Why doesn't Bin Laden attack the Swiss? It has nothing to do about our freedoms and everything to do with their oil because we need it. We just can't stay out of those peoples lives and this is what we get. Bin Laden recently offered a truth and what he said was get the hell off of ythere land. What do we say? We say we don't negiotiate with terrorist. We have been in Iraq tho. Do you know we use to be good friends with Saddam and also Bin Laden. We back both of them in wars they had. We are the ones who gave Saddam the chemical weapons he used on his people. We are the ones who help Bin Laden in his fight with the Soviets. It goes on and on. Its our own fault because we elect these assholes.

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, I would like to think that but Regardless if we are there or not, they would still come after us because that is their radicalism in Islam. Check out what Tom from Iran is saying lately. That is the the scary guy over there. His whole purpose is to create chaos around the world. There will always be an excuse to kill. Bryanz, what about the innocent people in these other countries, do their lives matter at all. And if these terrorists are all over the place, do we bomb them all? Sorry if I misread your earlier post, in all honesty, I was in a rush.

Also they might not have come after us if we didn't go into Iraq.

 

[kosar]

Also they might not have come after us if we didn't go into Iraq.

Going into Iraq was idiotic, but this argument is equally so.

No offense, but you're a bit of a dim bulb.

 

[The Sponge]

Going into Iraq was idiotic, but this argument is equally so.

No offense, but you're a bit of a dim bulb.

i meant to say with such a feriousity as they would now. I didn't mean to say they wouldn't have came if we didn't go to iraq. i knew they came before iraq. Now please show me why you think you have an ounce more of sense than i do. Everything im question about i back up with an article. I can't help it that you are not informed and think everything i say is out of the box.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I think it would be much more productive to find solutions than to harp on mistakes--I had not seen many Dems come up with any solutions in past but did find one that had some pretty good ones on Fox interview last week and that was Biden.
Basically the Kurds have 0 Secratarian violence and things there have been better therethan ever before--in fact they are more concerned about the Turks than terrorist. The reason--they are few Sunni and Shites and they have there own army that is probably most fearsomein Iraq.
Point Matt made early was his take that Shites and Kurds would never have peace and was astute prediction as it turns out.
Personally thought the Shites would hold Sunni's in line but appears now Sadr's boys are as bad as Sunni's ever were--revenge.So was bad judgement on my part.
We now have the terrorist bombing civilians and stirring the pot--in addition death squads rom both Shites and Sunni's doing the execution killings. Which in my view may be thinning out the aggressors and might not be so bad in long run. If somehow one could direct them to kill the terrorist 1st it would save lots of time and lives.
However even if that was done behind the scenes it would appear as secretarian violence in media anyway.
We have our diff on if we should have been there in 1st place with valid points from both sides--but to not finish job is not an option in my view.

 

[bryanz]

I think it would be much more productive to find solutions than to harp on mistakes--I had not seen many Dems come up with any solutions in past but did find one that had some pretty good ones on Fox interview last week and that was Biden.
Basically the Kurds have 0 Secratarian violence and things there have been better therethan ever before--in fact they are more concerned about the Turks than terrorist. The reason--they are few Sunni and Shites and they have there own army that is probably most fearsomein Iraq.
Point Matt made early was his take that Shites and Kurds would never have peace and was astute prediction as it turns out.
Personally thought the Shites would hold Sunni's in line but appears now Sadr's boys are as bad as Sunni's ever were--revenge.So was bad judgement on my part.
We now have the terrorist bombing civilians and stirring the pot--in addition death squads rom both Shites and Sunni's doing the execution killings. Which in my view may be thinning out the aggressors and might not be so bad in long run. If somehow one could direct them to kill the terrorist 1st it would save lots of time and lives.
However even if that was done behind the scenes it would appear as secretarian violence in media anyway.
We have our diff on if we should have been there in 1st place with valid points from both sides--but to not finish job is not an option in my view.

How do you want to finish the job ? I think most of America is for finishing the job. I think we need to have the balls to pull out and use our air power and special forces for designated ground strikes to hit high priority targets. This day to day stuff is doing nothing but hanging or guys out to dry.

 

[Chadman]

--don't humiliate catpured terrorist

This is something we all should be against. Haven't the "Cat Pured" terrorists suffered enough?

Damn cats.

 

[Chadman]

I think it would be much more productive to find solutions than to harp on mistakes

You mean like with Bill Clinton?

I would also like to see, at this point, what supporters of our occupation of Iraq - you in particular, Wayne, since you just mentioned it - consider finishing the job in Iraq?

This has been an ongoing question here, what is winning the war and/or finishing the job?

All I can see is that it is a talking point that will remain through the elections.

 

[smurphy]

Nice job, Chadman. I saw that very ironic line from DTB too, but never got around to displaying it.

Dogs, good to see you've decided to move on and focus on the present and future rather than dwell on the past.

 

[kosar]

I would also like to see, at this point, what supporters of our occupation of Iraq - you in particular, Wayne, since you just mentioned it - consider finishing the job in Iraq?

This has been an ongoing question here, what is winning the war and/or finishing the job?

An ongoing question that is always ignored because there is no answer.

Bill Clinton wagging his finger at us>>>>>>>>> :nono:

 

[Chadman]

I guess the crickets have taken over. The serious question I asked, the only question that really matters at this point in Iraq, has no answer by the people who support the occupation. Much like the administration.

This is a good definition of failure, isn't it?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

He's still in the PRESENT again giving us the :nono: once again on fox only a week ago--still out campaigning for his wife telling us she can control things if pres but couldn't even control him--yada yada yada,


On Iraq --a basic question Whats makes it so unimportant to liberals and so important for Alquada/terrorists--what was the count Alquada top dog there said of deaths of foreign fighters 4,000+ conservatively? Somebody sure ain't wanting to lose--unfortunate some here aren't wanting to win.

 

[kosar]

Somebody sure ain't wanting to lose--unfortunate some here aren't wanting to win.

Wayne,

Please define win, as you see it. (I'll try again, Chad, as i've given up on getting an answer from anyone, but you have seemed to picked up the baton). :shrug: