US Navy has no defense vs. Iran Sunburn missiles

[Spytheweb]

This missile is larger and faster than the french Exocet, which was used to kill 37 Americans on the USS Stark. The Stark picked up a aircraft 50 miles away but the A/C turned and returned to base, radar never picked up a missile. Exocet travels just above the water and the missile was never detected until seen by the human eye just before impact, nearly cuting the ship in half. This Sunburn missile is fast (mach2.1) twice as fast as the Exocet. It is being said that the big aircraft carriers are floating death traps. Here's a link on what this missile can do.

http://www.rense.com/general59/theSunburniransawesome.htm

 

[Dead Money]

Scarry sh*t

Scarry sh*t

A Multi-billion dolllar aircraft carrier, versus a glorified cruise missle.

Kind of David vs Goliath, we know how that ended up...

The Ruskies are much smarter than the credit they are given.


Lets pray this does not escalate to WW3.






glta

 

[djv]

This a case where a great offense makes a better defense. You can bet our air power will take these out before our carriers are with in the kill zone. And the battle groups escort destroyers are train to cut in front and take the hit if any are left.
I would say unless there hid real good we know where these are bunker-ed and will be hit hard.
This at least in the gulf that Iran may have.
Are these new models something to be concerned about. Hell Yes!

 

[StevieD]

If we were not wasting all of our resources in Iraq we could easily take care of any of these threats. But Bush and Co. have us pretty well tied up.

 

[IntenseOperator]

This is when I "stupidly" and "blindly" would put my faith in our military to have a much better idea than we do sitting on the sidelines. I would really like to believe they are well aware of this and many other weapons that the public has absolutely no idea about. I also would blindly like to think they have defense mechanisms and plans should one of these be used against our forces.

Let me add that there is most likely a much much more capable missle on this planet (that our military is aware of) in the hands of not so friendly types. I'm sure one of you guys will come across a write up of that weapon and really shit your pants.

 

[marine]

Thw Sunburn missile has never been tested, nor used, in a battlefield environment.

The Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS) is normally a good defense against this, but the sunburn missile goes too fast and by the time it hits the CIWS radar it would only leave 2.5 seconds of reaction time.

There are improvements being made to the CIWS and other close in defense systems that should counter missiles with speeds like the sunburn.

We've got and have used similiar style missiles for a long time. the HARM comes to mind off the top of my head right now.
some set up, sunburn is just faster.

Also,
a missile like this will never (and i hate saying never there, because there is always an exception) but it will never reach a carrier. Carriers travel in Battle Groups.
every other ship in the navy is designed for support of the aircraft carrier's mission.

 

[djv]

I O this should not happen to much. We more or less agree. I always have said Americans would be very surprised at what we have. When we let it out of the bag we had stealth. I said we got even better then that but we just don't know it. Now many of those things can be used in your all out war. But in Iraq most are useless. There not design for civil type wars based on police work.
However As I said before Iran will be different story. They have no idea what there asking for.
This is why I feel sorry for about 50% of Iran's population. They like us would like to work with us. They don't trust Russia and Saudi, there dead right. But if they don't stand up and try to change direction of there government. There going to die just like those that hate us. Iran will never get nukes. If not us Israel will stop them.

 

[The Wizard]

Its my understanding that Israel already have nuclear-armed submarines directly in the Persian Gulf waters, just waiting to be called upon launching an massive attacks on Iran, just only a few miles off the Iranian coastline. Israel will feel compelled to take out those nuclear sites before we could ever do that.

Iranians are not stupid. They already know we have 2nd carrier battle group on the way as well as Israel's submarines. I dont think Iran is gonna be trigger happy knowing that they could very well start World War III.:nono: :nono:

 

[Underbar]

This is when I "stupidly" and "blindly" would put my faith in our military to have a much better idea than we do sitting on the sidelines.

How can you trust our military when they leave our border open while blowing over a trillion dollars killing people in a country 7-8000 miles away that never attacked us?

 

[IntenseOperator]

Sponge is that you?

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge is that you?

No, i never doubt our Military its the clowns you so blindly follow that i have a problem with.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Square

remember Brady has NEVER lost in a dome

 

[hammer1]

Thats Right marine........................2.5 seconds

Thats Right marine........................2.5 seconds

Thw Sunburn missile has never been tested, nor used, in a battlefield environment.

The Phalanx Close In Weapon System (CIWS) is normally a good defense against this, but the sunburn missile goes too fast and by the time it hits the CIWS radar it would only leave 2.5 seconds of reaction time.

There are improvements being made to the CIWS and other close in defense systems that should counter missiles with speeds like the sunburn.

We've got and have used similiar style missiles for a long time. the HARM comes to mind off the top of my head right now.
some set up, sunburn is just faster.

Also,
a missile like this will never (and i hate saying never there, because there is always an exception) but it will never reach a carrier. Carriers travel in Battle Groups.
every other ship in the navy is designed for support of the aircraft carrier's mission.

Now what wd u think our Battle Groups chances would be if there was a nuclear warhead on that Sunburn. And finally ..you cant shoot what u cant see.

 

[marine]

Hammer,

I have not seen anything about the sunburn carrying a nuclear payload. From whatever I know about it, it is a non-nuke weapon. If they were to put a nuke warhead on it, it would drastically alter the makeup of the weapon - change design, flight pattern, and attacking method.
Everything I read about the sunburn shows it being an anti surface type weapon, not a land attack weapon.

Finally, yes - you can shoot what you can't see. Ever since the inception of radars and sonars, and even FLIR (forward looking infra red) devices we ARE able to shoot what we cant see.

 

[hammer1]

FLIR........................

FLIR........................

Since the Sunburns replacement THe ONYX uses stealth technology..wouldn'the only way to detect one be by high flying aircraft.....utilizing FLIR? And even if some are spotted is there enough time
to react to it. If i'm not mistaken we first got aerial video of a Sunburn test back in 2001. Why nothing has been done in 6years is astonishing. Now there's an even better replacement.........The ONYX. Thought this adm was strong on defense.
Seems to me they are deaf dumb and blind..and that coming from a LIb but none the less
an American. And lastly from what i have been told a 5 or 6 megaton warhead on an Onyx would not be much of a problem. The scenario discussed was hitting the carrier with that warhead.

 

[The Wizard]

I have a question to you guys....what would happen if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz if they were ever attacked??? The Strait of Hormuz is a U-shaped shipping channel that is only 20 miles wide. Imagine Iranians using all type of missles, suicide boats, mines, and they have submarines as well blowing up tankers, perhaps clogging the strait with sunken oil tankers. Countries that rely on oil imports from the Persian Gulf regions would run out of oil for their daily living. Oil and gas prices would be at an all-time high.:scared

Iran really dont want to do that but they have said that option is not off the table if they were ever attacked.

 

[gardenweasel]

I have a question to you guys....what would happen if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz if they were ever attacked??? The Strait of Hormuz is a U-shaped shipping channel that is only 20 miles wide. Imagine Iranians using all type of missles, suicide boats, mines, and they have submarines as well blowing up tankers, perhaps clogging the strait with sunken oil tankers. Countries that rely on oil imports from the Persian Gulf regions would run out of oil for their daily living. Oil and gas prices would be at an all-time high.:scared

Iran really dont want to do that but they have said that option is not off the table if they were ever attacked.

what makes anyone think that iran won`t do that if they ever deliver on their nuclear weapons aspirations?.....

and if iran has a nuclear threat,what can we do about it?.....once thay have it,not a damned thing....see n korea....

that,along with breaking 17 u.n. resolutions was the reason we couldn`t afford to play hide and seek with saddam...we couldn`t role the dice and be wrong....


you have the perfect scenario...an unstable leader......with a weapon that could trigger ww3..and the perfect foil in israel.....to rally even moderate muslim states to iran`s defense.....

.and possible destroy a large portion of the middle eastern oil resource.... ..and potentially collapse the world economy....


what if iran decides to do what saddam did?...take ,say,kuwait.....and they have the bomb?....

what do we do?....saddam said,"my biggest mistake was not having a nuclear weapon when invading kuwait".....

if he`d had nukes,he`d probably still have kuwait.....or,we probably would have seen a nuke or two flying into israel rather than some scuds....

is this a-hole serious about wanting the 12th imam come out of his hole?....

you want to roll the dice?....

 

[gardenweasel]

btw...anybody notice the pattern in spytheweb`s little ditties?.....

it`s a tad pathetic that he`s so moist at the prospect of iran possibly having a weapon that can harm our military....

of course,i don`t know that he`s american or even pro-western....

i suggest that if anti-western,anti-u.s.,anti-military tripe chafes you a bit,you might want to put on a cup before reading stw`s propaganda....

 

[marine]

Since the Sunburns replacement THe ONYX uses stealth technology..wouldn'the only way to detect one be by high flying aircraft.....utilizing FLIR? And even if some are spotted is there enough time
to react to it. If i'm not mistaken we first got aerial video of a Sunburn test back in 2001. Why nothing has been done in 6years is astonishing. Now there's an even better replacement.........The ONYX. Thought this adm was strong on defense.
Seems to me they are deaf dumb and blind..and that coming from a LIb but none the less
an American. And lastly from what i have been told a 5 or 6 megaton warhead on an Onyx would not be much of a problem. The scenario discussed was hitting the carrier with that warhead.

I know a lot of people want the "administration" to be completely transparent and to let the entire world know what they do minute by minute but don't you think its kind of a good thing that they don't publish all the defense mechanisms?
or perhaps keeping the defense against onyx and sunburn as "unknown unknowns"?

Keep it to the point that Iran doesn't know if we do or do not have any type of defense capabilities against it.
The Electronic Warfare doctrine was just rewritten, perhaps there is something to address it in there.

 

[djv]

I agree 100%. We have a little surprise or two of our own. Our top military brass would never send a carrier in to harms way with out a sense of protection. True Iran with old junk can shut the water way down. It narrows to less then a mile.
So for a time we would have 100 barrel of oil till cleared. Might take a year. Small price to pay for Iran not to have nukes. Iran will not have them period there is no option. This is one point BUSH has right as he did Afghanistan.