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My guess is that he is the top 5% of the world population in intelligence. He is very well versed on world affairs (not just US intervention) which is why I was so shocked at his comment.

If this came from some hillbilly neighbor of mine, then I would have passed it off as nothing but ignorance.

I know a person that is in the top 5% and she has traveled the word and this country, she would never think or ask what you say your guy did. If this guy is so well versed on world affairs, why does he sound so _____ ? you fill in the blank.
 
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My guess is that he is the top 5% of the world population in intelligence. He is very well versed on world affairs (not just US intervention) which is why I was so shocked at his comment.

If this came from some hillbilly neighbor of mine, then I would have passed it off as nothing but ignorance.

it is was it is ! ignorance is igorance !
 

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I think it is a sad indictment on a large part of the African American segment here that they have to experience this. However, I would agree that if there were more leaders in this community that got as much air time as the right Reverend and Al Sharpton, maybe things would change. Rap music and the Hip-Hop culture (not necessarily the same, but...) have essentially taken over as the focal point for people in this country, let alone abroad.

Speaking for myself, while it might be considered racist, I do become more concerned for safety and family when I enter certain areas of the country - and honestly, it is a mental fear more of black and hispanic individuals and someone trying to cause us harm or robbery, etc. Very sad, but true. I also worry when I enter a bar in what I consider to be a backwards-ass country or midwestern local bar, because of the white dudes that would just as soon fight as not. And yes, to your question, DB, I think that our media and entertainment are at the root of those images (at least the black and hispanic ones).

I remember being accosted by several hispanics brandishing gang colors and attire in Long Beach, CA. I remember taking a wrong turn and having to drive down the main drag in East St. Louis, IL. In a convertible white mustang, with the top down, no less. When school was letting out, no less. I remember having two black men become so aggressive when asking for money outside the bars in the Westport area of Kansas City that I turned tail and ran for one of the bars. I remember being very drunk and very lost in San Francisco, walking around trying to find my hotel, and being extremely scared the entire time. Nothing unique about these scenarios, but they all happened to me, and probably taint my thinking. I usually always think of the possible downside in where I am going, and consider what could happen. Racist? Maybe. I don't know - hard to say. I have been in bar fights with a few drunk white guys, many times partially my fault. I always am concerned when traveling in foreign countries like Mexico, Costa Rica, etc., what could happen.

By the same token, I still have some very good friends who happen to be black, hispanic and asian. I know there are good and bad segments of each group, and the good always suffer because of the bad.

Along the lines of Wayne's suggestion, maybe take him to a larger establishment that is populated by a multi-racial clientele, known for no problems - a restaurant or bar, etc.

Good luck to you.
 

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Maybe if they didn't spend so much time pushing the rap crap and the prison life style things would be different. Entertainment in this country, just like the news, was ruined when Clinton and Gingrich signed the Communications Act. With so few people in charge of what we see and hear it is a no wonder they African Americans are portrayed as they are. Just a way of keeping them down.
 

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I've been told by African Americans in poverty stricken areas there is no moral standard in the home. Forget adult supervision. The adults don't understand morality. They do not know right from wrong or good from evil. It's worse than you think. This is generational ignorance and its spreading at a geometric rate. They are educated by television, video games, rap and hip hop. They can't express themselves and the level of confusion and frustration is off the chart. In a neighboring community, African American teenage amusement is having four gang bangers in a car with an automatic weapon, drive down a residential street, count ten houses and start shooting. Yeah, I can understand why Andrey is concerned. I have blacks living up the street from me who moved from a black neighborhood. Why did they move? Because they were concerned about their safety.

After I read Dawgballs initial post, I knew Wayne would be all over this topic.

He didn't disappoint, but surprsingly he was totally outdone by our resident 'enlightened' bible thumper.

WTF??
 

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How about this. I've been to Haiti 3 times. This of course is the poorest country on this side of the world. Most of the country has no electricity, and there are fewer paved roads in the whole country than there are in the county I live. There is no running water and there aren't even sewers except what runs down the gutters and collects at the lowest spot.

The kids and young people there, however, have all been exposed to the thug culture we see on MTV, the movies, and in the popular media. These kids have never been more than 15 miles away from their homes for the most part, and they do not have tv. They do, however wear their hats jacked to the side, they know gang symbols (like in jpblack's avatar), they have baggy clothes, they have (fake) gaudy jewelry around their necks, etc. They all know who Tupac, Shaq, Jordan, and Wycleff (of course) are, and they know American and gang slang. How do they know? They are exposed to American missionaries who aren't there to teach them hip-hop culture. Their only exposure has been through media, possibly like dawgball's friend the Russian. These kids, however, aren't scared; they just think it's a joke and the way of life for American superstars. The aspiration for some of them is to get out of Haiti and live this life. Why not emulate it in the only style you can? Why is it hard to believe that dawgball's friend has only had exposure to this, and why should it not scare him?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0479046/ <<this is a great movie, and there are many parts that allude to the emulation of the American ganster lifestyle. The main character calls himself 2Pac.
 

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Maybe if they didn't spend so much time pushing the rap crap and the prison life style things would be different. Entertainment in this country, just like the news, was ruined when Clinton and Gingrich signed the Communications Act. With so few people in charge of what we see and hear it is a no wonder they African Americans are portrayed as they are. Just a way of keeping them down.

I think you and 6-5 are getting it right. And it isn't black people who run MTV, most major record labels, and media outlets. If you are black and trying to make IMPORTANT music or other culture, it's almost impossible in this country because it doesn't fit what the moguls want to put out. It really is stupid - everything we do has to fit labels. Our culture is not well in this respect.

As for Russians, they are very gullible to what they see on TV. I don't blame that guy for his perceptions. He had no reality to enlighten himself on this subject whatsoever.
 

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I think it is a sad indictment on a large part of the African American segment here that they have to experience this. However, I would agree that if there were more leaders in this community that got as much air time as the right Reverend and Al Sharpton, maybe things would change. Rap music and the Hip-Hop culture (not necessarily the same, but...) have essentially taken over as the focal point for people in this country, let alone abroad.

Speaking for myself, while it might be considered racist, I do become more concerned for safety and family when I enter certain areas of the country - and honestly, it is a mental fear more of black and hispanic individuals and someone trying to cause us harm or robbery, etc. Very sad, but true. I also worry when I enter a bar in what I consider to be a backwards-ass country or midwestern local bar, because of the white dudes that would just as soon fight as not. And yes, to your question, DB, I think that our media and entertainment are at the root of those images (at least the black and hispanic ones).

I remember being accosted by several hispanics brandishing gang colors and attire in Long Beach, CA. I remember taking a wrong turn and having to drive down the main drag in East St. Louis, IL. In a convertible white mustang, with the top down, no less. When school was letting out, no less. I remember having two black men become so aggressive when asking for money outside the bars in the Westport area of Kansas City that I turned tail and ran for one of the bars. I remember being very drunk and very lost in San Francisco, walking around trying to find my hotel, and being extremely scared the entire time. Nothing unique about these scenarios, but they all happened to me, and probably taint my thinking. I usually always think of the possible downside in where I am going, and consider what could happen. Racist? Maybe. I don't know - hard to say. I have been in bar fights with a few drunk white guys, many times partially my fault. I always am concerned when traveling in foreign countries like Mexico, Costa Rica, etc., what could happen.

By the same token, I still have some very good friends who happen to be black, hispanic and asian. I know there are good and bad segments of each group, and the good always suffer because of the bad.

Along the lines of Wayne's suggestion, maybe take him to a larger establishment that is populated by a multi-racial clientele, known for no problems - a restaurant or bar, etc.

Good luck to you.

Thats not being racist--thats being prudent.

Matt I was just trying to help out--thought maybe Bryantz could provide some positive input but apparently not--maybe you could assist.:shrug:
 

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Are you repeatedly adding a 'T' to Bryanz for a particualr reason?
 

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Nope No reason Smurph---keep thinking thats tag for some reason--nothing meant by it.

not very good on retention of names smurph/smurphy--never quite sure but can tell you with absolute certainty--
Avogradols (spl)# is 6.022 X 10 to the 23rd power.
 
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As for Russians, they are very gullible to what they see on TV. I don't blame that guy for his perceptions. He had no reality to enlighten himself on this subject whatsoever.

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the russian should be more worried about the street crime there, the russian mafia, the corruption etc.

It is just as dangerous on the streets of Russia.
 

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Seriously If you have opportunity for casual night out --you might consider having a black friend of yours join your crew. If I was in strange country would feel more at ease in any situation if accompanied by people I know.
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dawg dont have no black friends. :142smilie


The ones he has have tats and carry .45's
 

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the russian should be more worried about the street crime there, the russian mafia, the corruption etc.

It is just as dangerous on the streets of Russia.

Hey man, Putin has turned it around. They are reverting back to a one-party system and they overwhelmingly approve. They don't really want choices, just leadership. Not quite Soviet, but not the mafia gangland of 10 years ago either.
 

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I picked a bad day to be out of the office! :)

Scott -- I really didn't want to add to the racial flair of the thread, but the humor attempts are... noted?? :)

Ignorance is probably the correct word, but I think in a different context. Ignorance only in the fact that he had only been exposed to the media version of american blacks. Hopefully, his experience with us in Atlanta and with his other co-workers in NYC will help expose him and let him see how things really are.

gmroz (I think, can't remember) -- it's a tough subject due to large crowd who does not know each other. this is, of course, just my opinion.

smurphy -- funny you say that about Putin. All of those guys LOVE Putin. They don't necessarily like his politics (some do, some don't), but they always talk about Gorbachev having "a spine of jelly". That phrase always cracks me up.
 

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smurphy -- funny you say that about Putin. All of those guys LOVE Putin. They don't necessarily like his politics (some do, some don't), but they always talk about Gorbachev having "a spine of jelly". That phrase always cracks me up.

Really good episode of 'Frontline' last month about Russia. Very educational. I think it helped me understand the psyche and recent history a bit.
 

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I've been told by African Americans in poverty stricken areas there is no moral standard in the home. Forget adult supervision. The adults don't understand morality. They do not know right from wrong or good from evil. It's worse than you think. This is generational ignorance and its spreading at a geometric rate. They are educated by television, video games, rap and hip hop. They can't express themselves and the level of confusion and frustration is off the chart. In a neighboring community, African American teenage amusement is having four gang bangers in a car with an automatic weapon, drive down a residential street, count ten houses and start shooting. Yeah, I can understand why Andrey is concerned. I have blacks living up the street from me who moved from a black neighborhood. Why did they move? Because they were concerned about their safety.

Heres poll out by pew yesterday--that I thought intereting alng those lines-Buddy

61% - Values Gap in Black Community Thu Mar 6, 12:00 AM ET



By a ratio of two-to-one (61%-31%), blacks say that the values of poor and middle class blacks have grown more dissimilar over the past decade; in contrast, most blacks say that the values of blacks and whites have grown more alike during this same time period. On a related question, in a recent Pew survey, only about a quarter of all blacks (23%) say that middle class and poor blacks share "a lot" of values in common. A plurality (42%) say they share some values in common; 22% say they share only a little in common and 9% say they share almost no values in common. Whites share the view that there has been a convergence in black and white values in the past decade; they also agree that the values of middle-class and poor blacks have grown less alike. Well-educated blacks are more likely than blacks with less education to say that a values gap within the black community has widened during the past decade. At the same time, however, it is blacks with lower incomes and less education who are most inclined to see few shared values between middle class and poor blacks -- suggesting that the perception of differences over values and identity within the African American community is felt most strongly by those blacks at the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum.
 
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