New UBL tape

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,465
134
63
Bowling Green Ky
Hmm anyone notice whats missing from this one-
No bloviating about iraq--not a word :shrug:

New Usama bin Laden Tape Slams Palestinian Negotiations, Urges Holy War for Liberation
Thursday , March 20, 2008

CAIRO, Egypt ?

Pan-Arab Al-Jazeera TV on Thursday broadcast what it described as excerpts from a new audio tape by Usama bin Laden in which the Al Qaeda leader slammed Palestinian negotiations with Israel and urged holy war for the liberation of Palestine.

In the audio excerpts broadcast by the Doha, Qatar-based television, bin Laden said that "Palestine cannot be retaken by negotiations and dialogue, but with fire and iron."

Bin Laden also called on Palestinians who are unable to fight in the "land of Al-Quds" ? a Muslim reference to Jerusalem ? to join the Al Qaeda fight and the holy war, or jihad, in Iraq.

"The nearest field of jihad today to support our people in Palestine is the Iraqi field," bin Laden said.

"We tell our brothers in Palestine who could not join the jihad in the land of Al-Quds, to get rid of illusions of political parties and groups which are mired in trickery of the blasphemous democracy and to take their positions among the ranks of the mujahideen in Iraq," he said.

Such a Palestinian fight in Iraq should be "concentrated on and supported by all Muslims, specially from neighboring countries," bin Laden added and also called on people of Syria, Lebanon Jordan and Saudi Arabia to "help in support of their mujahedeen brothers in Iraq, which is the greatest opportunity and the biggest task."

If proven to be that of bin Laden, the audio will be the second by the Al Qaeda leader publicized in as many days.

Al-Jazeera TV did not say how it obtained the recording, which was broadcast with an old photograph of bin Laden in a white headscarf and traditional Arab dress.

There was no indication how recently the recording was made ? or if it could have been an unreleased part of another audiotape, posted late Wednesday on a militant Web site that has carried al-Qaida statements in the past.

In that recording, bin Laden accused Pope Benedict XVI of helping in a "new Crusade" against Islam and warned of a "severe" reaction for Europeans' publication of cartoons seen by Muslims as insulting Islam's Prophet Muhammad.

In the tape broadcast on Al-Jazeera, bin Laden said the sufferings of the Palestinians in the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip began when treacherous Arab leaders began supporting the U.S.-hosted Mideast peace conference in Annapolis and the "Zionist entity."

The mention of by bin Laden of the Annapolis, Maryland, summit last November was the only time reference given in the audio.

"By their support, they are considered partners to this horrible crime," bin Laden said of Arab leaders who have backed the Mideast peace talks.

"Palestine will not return to us with the negotiations by the submissive rulers, their conferences nor by demonstrations and elections," he said. "Palestine will come back to us if we awaken from our ignorance and adhere to our religion and sacrifice our lives and means to it."

The message was the first time bin Laden spoke of the Palestinian question at length.

Her appeared to be seeking to merge the Palestinian cause into the wider Al Qaeda struggle.

"My nation," bin Laden addressed his followers, "You have a great opportunity to regain your freedom and get out of being a follower of this Zionist-crusade alliance and to do this, you have to free yourself from the chains of humiliation thrown on us by the agents of this alliance, the rulers of our countries."

In Israel, Foreign Ministry spokesman Arye Mekel told The Associated Press that Israel does not comment on bin Laden's statements.

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said, "We and the international community must prove him wrong, because we have been pursuing peace through negotiations, and I believe the parties involved must make every effort to make the year 2008 a year of peace."
 

Eddie Haskell

Matt 02-12-11
Forum Member
Feb 13, 2001
4,595
41
0
25
Cincinnati
aclu.org
I've heard from very reliable sources that bin Laden is really hoping that McCain gets elected president of the US. If so, US forces will continue the occupation of Iraq and not focus on Pakistan and his Al Quida forces. They will continue very friendly relations with Saudi Arabia that the Bush family has strengthened so that we will never bring the individuals responsible for masterminding 9-11 (remember them) to justice.

It's also my understanding from the same reliable sources, that bin Laden is pulling for old John in the hopes that we can revitalize that old ports security deal that George had thunk up where we outsourced the security of our ports to, who was it, United Arab Emirates, or somebody like that. You know, its amazing, how much corruption happened in the last 8 years that we have forgotten about already.

As the old Dick would say: "so".

Eddie
 

The Judge

Pura Vida!
Forum Member
Aug 5, 2004
4,909
29
0
SJO
Wayne, the very fact that we are occupying a Muslim country is precisely what makes the US a target for all jihadists.

Iraq is "the nearest field of jihad today" as a direct result of our unwanted presence in the Muslim Holy Land. I am continually surprised by people's inability to recognise this simple correlation.
 

gardenweasel

el guapo
Forum Member
Jan 10, 2002
40,574
226
63
"the bunker"
Wayne, the very fact that we are occupying a Muslim country is precisely what makes the US a target for all jihadists.

Iraq is "the nearest field of jihad today" as a direct result of our unwanted presence in the Muslim Holy Land. I am continually surprised by people's inability to recognise this simple correlation.

all due respect judge,but we were targets long before iraq........we have a rightful symbiotic relationship with nations in the middle east.......we buy their oil and protect them from their more radical neighbors......if we have a presence there(prior to iraq),it`s with that nation`s blessing...

saying that al qaeda`s wish that we go away trumps a nation state`s right to do business with us in any form they choose is bogus....

f-ck al qaeda...they`re not conducting any nation`s foreign policy that i`m aware of...
 

Eddie Haskell

Matt 02-12-11
Forum Member
Feb 13, 2001
4,595
41
0
25
Cincinnati
aclu.org
Gary:

Food for thought:

5 years ago today, pre-US invasion Al-Quida was NOT in Iraq.

Today, post-US invasion and during our occupation, Al-Quida IS in Iraq.

Any questions?

Eddie
 

Eddie Haskell

Matt 02-12-11
Forum Member
Feb 13, 2001
4,595
41
0
25
Cincinnati
aclu.org
And another thing:

Whats with this, all of a sudden "...rightful relationship bs."

Aren't we supporting monarchy's and non-democracy's in the middle east when all of a sudden we get this rightous bug to implant a democracy in Iraq? Somewhat inconsistant wouldn't ya say?

Jezul petes, we had a "rightful relationship" with Sadaam not to long ago. As far as your concerned, I guess it depends on which way the wind blows as to whether or not you call a country your ally or your enemy.

I wouldn't want you next to me in a street fight.

Eddie
 

StevieD

Registered User
Forum Member
Jun 18, 2002
9,509
44
48
72
Boston
Bin Laden is thrilled that we are going broke in Iraq. I don't think his plan was to keep flying planes into buildings until we surrendered. It was to defeat us financially. And at the tune of $12,000,000,000 a month I think he has a lot to be happy about.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,465
134
63
Bowling Green Ky
Wayne, the very fact that we are occupying a Muslim country is precisely what makes the US a target for all jihadists.

Iraq is "the nearest field of jihad today" as a direct result of our unwanted presence in the Muslim Holy Land. I am continually surprised by people's inability to recognise this simple correlation.

I see Gregg--you don't think we were target before?

The way I see it
--Pakistan was supporting Taliban and AQ before this admin took over--now they are fighting them--

-Jordon was on the fence before the wedding bombing--now they turned against them

--UBL said Iraq would be central battle ground and unite Muslims against U.S. and defeat us--but they are now fighting AQ not supporting

--Yemin was terrorist strong hold--not so any more

--same for Lybia--again not anymore

--Saudi has launched massive campaign against AQ

--So considering above--Would you say--AQ/terrorist are stronger now than they were--

You feel I am incorrect when I say--considering above many more muslims now have less favorable view of AQ then before?
 

Mr. Mel

Rabid!
Forum Member
Aug 14, 2007
322
0
0
On my $20 bed
Hilarious! Reading threads where Eddie posts, it's like watching a man post among boys. He completely destroys the likes of DTB and Weasel, yet they try and go on as if it didn't happen.

CLASSIC!
 

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
Wayne, without reading the entire post, I could four different paragraphs where Bin Laden talks about Iraq. They were near the top, not that difficult to find. I don't know if four paragraphs qualify as "bloviation," but they certainly count as more than one word.

What am I missing in the analogy? :shrug:
 

pt1gard

Registered
Forum Member
Apr 7, 2002
7,377
3
0
seattle
geezus, the guy's been dead for years ... check out bhutto and david frost editing his interview with the assassinated paki premier ... frost was not even interested in her saying that he was murdered, not a peep or follow up question ..

some people are so ignorant it kills me, suckers cubed ... why wouldnt the usa media mention a word about bhutto's comment concerning the most wanted guy since dillinger, a boogey man who has evaded the usa braintrust in tora bora and across the globe with 25 mill on his head for a decade ...

tim osman is a cia made man, aka OBL ... go to starbux, pigeons
 

Mr. Mel

Rabid!
Forum Member
Aug 14, 2007
322
0
0
On my $20 bed
iB8F0CCD7-D045-41CB-96D9-58ED26994F0A.jpg
 

pt1gard

Registered
Forum Member
Apr 7, 2002
7,377
3
0
seattle
why not, mr mel, USA created him same way bush stole 2 elections. where are the idiot picture hangers to comment on the villian OBL? i mean he exists doesnt he :mj07:
 
Last edited:

pt1gard

Registered
Forum Member
Apr 7, 2002
7,377
3
0
seattle
there ya go, smurphy, bashing my guy ... just spread the love, its the new age PC times ... pick a daisy and stuff it down a rifle barrel :)
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,465
134
63
Bowling Green Ky
Wayne, without reading the entire post, I could four different paragraphs where Bin Laden talks about Iraq. They were near the top, not that difficult to find. I don't know if four paragraphs qualify as "bloviation," but they certainly count as more than one word.

What am I missing in the analogy? :shrug:

Ok Chad Would you then like to respond to same questions I posed to Gregg?

Convince me how these events have been a negative and not a positive.

---and something else to ponder--remember when we 1st invaded Iraq--all the anti U.S. protests in muslim countries--when the last time you saw one?
Is evident to me not only has many had change of heart on A-Q but also on U.S.

Most flag burning hate protests I've seen of late--have been for our radical left element here in the states.
 

bryanz

Registered User
Forum Member
Aug 8, 2001
9,724
35
48
64
Syracuse ny, usa
Ok Chad Would you then like to respond to same questions I posed to Gregg?

Convince me how these events have been a negative and not a positive.

---and something else to ponder--remember when we 1st invaded Iraq--all the anti U.S. protests in muslim countries--when the last time you saw one?
Is evident to me not only has many had change of heart on A-Q but also on U.S.

Most flag burning hate protests I've seen of late--have been for our radical left element here in the states.

Protest against the war is one thing. Burning the flag is another. Most people against this war would not even think about burning Our flag. These People are patriots not loyalist. There are military vets and some that are serving now against this war. Your protrayal of the movement against this war is flawed. Your friends on the left/right in the mainstream media don't cover this part of the story..... http://ivaw.org/wintersoldier ............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdN8XpL36Pk...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TkrZYxGiY&feature=related........
 

Chadman

Realist
Forum Member
Apr 2, 2000
7,501
42
48
SW Missouri
Ok Chad Would you then like to respond to same questions I posed to Gregg?

Convince me how these events have been a negative and not a positive.

Mainly, I just wanted to clear up the point you were evidently trying to make, which was the most blatantly incorrect post I've ever seen you make. That said...

I think the questions and points you make are essentially correct. But I don't think the way you lump it all together is fair, nor do I think to simply say is Al Qaida worse off now is a basic measure without looking at the cost and effect of how they were made less of a factor.

The main point to me is that Al Qaida and Iraq had a miniscule relationship to begin with, and did not represent a unified problem (still don't in most ways) until we attacked and occupied Iraq. Simple point, in my mind extremely important, and in your arguments and most other conservatives are blurred for political point making. In my opinion, the two issues are separate, and one does not have much bearing on the other - and should not.

I personally feel had we not pulled the majority of our troops out of the hunt for Bin Laden and more prevalent areas Al Qaida were known to be, we would have been more successful in whatever the nebulous war on terror is supposed to be. And again, when we attacked Iraq, we were not fighting terrorists on their soil - instead of in America - as is often thrown out here and elsewhere. We were attacking Saddam Hussein and his Royal Guard supporters. So, the entire Iraq situation has little to do with the war on terror, in my mind, so it's a different thing.

I don't want to take up too much space here with addressing all your points individually, because that would take a lot of time and research. I don't give you those points, necessarily, each are worthy of discussion. Two quick points, when you say Pakistani's in general are fighting Al Qaida and that Muslims in general are fighting Al Qaida, I don't think that's entirely accurate. Certainly there are factions of both that are not acting in the best interests of the U.S. And you continually post about the Saudi's (mainly the people who actually attacked us, by the way) major moves against terrorism, when the vast majority of their efforts are done only to protect their own oil interests in their own country - which is completely in their own best interest, has nothing much to do with U.S. support. This has been repeatedly posted on here, and yet you continue to take political credit for it...same story, different day.

Simply, I don't think the war in Iraq has had many positive effects on the war on terror, because it's not the same thing - at least at face value. And it has given Al Qaida greater access and ability to strike Americans than before, since many have come there to strike when they could not have had we not gone there.

I think it remains a huge negative that we have not gotten Bin Laden. I think Iraq has detracted dramatically from the efforts to get them. Had we gotten him at any point since we essentially pulled away from that fight (with a majority of our firepower) it would have done far more than anything else we have done - to slow or put a stop to that movement. My opinion.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,465
134
63
Bowling Green Ky
Protest against the war is one thing. Burning the flag is another. Most people against this war would not even think about burning Our flag. These People are patriots not loyalist. There are military vets and some that are serving now against this war. Your protrayal of the movement against this war is flawed. Your friends on the left/right in the mainstream media don't cover this part of the story..... http://ivaw.org/wintersoldier ............ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdN8XpL36Pk...... www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_TkrZYxGiY&feature=related........

I'd ask you if you wanted to answer questions also--but we been that route before--easy to make blanket statements--much tougher to back them up :)

Don't see how my vision of who is protesting against war can be flawed---whens the last time you saw conservatives protest period.Only protest I can remember coming from conservatives in past have been abortion issues--can't remember a week that goes by liberals aren't protesting something--confirming the half empty/full theory.

a favor if I may--can't seem to locate utube video of Columbia's journalism of free speech liberals -throwing chairs at the minute man in lecture--could you assist me :)
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top