Top ten enemies of single payer, HR 676

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Government doesn't have to balance books just provide care to the sick, what private insurance doesn't do.

You know why medicare tripled? Because they take care of the old and sick, the ones that private insurance don't want.

Private insurance want the young and healthy, the ones who don't need care and can keep paying those high premiums, before they are denied. Every denial is profit to insurance.


Claims denial rates by leading California insurers, first six months of 2009:

PacifiCare -- 39.6 percent
Cigna -- 32.7 percent
HealthNet -- 30 percent
Kaiser Permanente -- 28.3 percent
Blue Cross -- 27.9 percent
Aetna -- 6.4 percent

http://www.calnurses.org/media-cent...-death-panels-insurers-deny-21-of-claims.html

Believe you left this out--the above is data from--Gov of Ca HMO managed care--

Organizing Committee.
CNA/NNOC researchers analyzed data reported by the insurers to the California Department of Managed Care. From 2002 through June 30, 2009, six of the largest insurers operating in California rejected 47.7 million claims for care -- 22 percent of all claims.


Here is website of Gov HMO they are complaining about--
http://www.hmohelp.ca.gov/

Thank you for adding proof of fiascos when govs get into healthcare :SIB
 

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Life is good.....don't really care if there are millions without health insurance. Not my problem.

I can't wait till you lose your job and no one gives a fuck about your hillbilly inbred ass. That will be a great day.

This post is just amazing. I can't believe you had the nerve to compose it. I bet you are a religious nut too. You know the ones who go every fuckin' Sunday but could really give a shit about everyone else in that church.
 

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Single-payer is dead. Obama's given up on it in hopes that the Blue Dogs and Republicans will somehow reach a compromise position and present a bill that allows for a public option plan. That'll never happen. Obama might as well stick to his guns and take his best shot without the Blue Dogs and Republicans. Anything less than a public option plan and the Republicans will have succeeded in creating Obama's "Waterloo".

On Friday, Bill Moyers explained why we need a fighter, not a compromiser on this one...

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Chad When author for either side comes out with leading statement like yours--

by Mike Hall, May 27, 2009

Profits at 10 of the country?s largest publicly traded health insurance companies rose 428 percent from 2000 to 2007, while consumers paid more for less -coverage.

--I know he's trying to blow smoke up somebodys ass--Why don't he specify which company -made what -in which year--

--because it woudn't support his case--they use the ole rope a dope to get their lemmings who are all to eger to bite on anything.

--At 1st glance of his lead paragraph above--I recalled the rule of 72 I learned at Jethro Boudin's 6th grade econ class and knew if only 1 company ave 15% profit each year their profits would double bout ever 4 years--

--but that 10 companys- 428% in seven years--sure sounds like a lot--doesn't it :)


United health group made profits of 859 million a jump of 155% from the year before with fewer people enrolled.


Jul 21, 2009 9:43 pm US/Central
UnitedHealth Group 2Q Profit More Than Doubles
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) ―

UnitedHealth Group Inc. reported a soaring second-quarter profit Tuesday, but uncertainty surrounding the health care overhaul debate in Congress helped keep the managed care company's shares grounded.

The Minnetonka, Minn.-based company said its profit more than doubled compared to the same quarter last year, when hefty legal charges weighed down earnings. UnitedHealth also said revenue rose 7 percent, as it saw strong growth in its public and senior health insurance.


Its revenues were up 13% in the second quarter, thanks to substantial growth in Medicare Advantage, the federal subsidy for private insurance companies hoping to get into the Medicare business. Or maybe it was just their ?strengthened market design?.

In other words, UNH (United health group) is making money off taxpayers, while the private health insurance business is trending down with the economy. No wonder these guys are spending money like drunken sailors to get Congress to make people buy insurance from them, and subsidize the people who can?t pay for it themselves.
 

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Believe you left this out--the above is data from--Gov of Ca HMO managed care--

Organizing Committee.
CNA/NNOC researchers analyzed data reported by the insurers to the California Department of Managed Care. From 2002 through June 30, 2009, six of the largest insurers operating in California rejected 47.7 million claims for care -- 22 percent of all claims.


Here is website of Gov HMO they are complaining about--
http://www.hmohelp.ca.gov/

Thank you for adding proof of fiascos when govs get into healthcare :SIB


So the Gov. of California has a web site for problems and complaints that's setup to protect against insurance ripoffs, but it has not slowed insurance down and it's too late for the denials that has costed people their lives.
 

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Single-payer is dead. Obama's given up on it in hopes that the Blue Dogs and Republicans will somehow reach a compromise position and present a bill that allows for a public option plan. That'll never happen. Obama might as well stick to his guns and take his best shot without the Blue Dogs and Republicans. Anything less than a public option plan and the Republicans will have succeeded in creating Obama's "Waterloo".

On Friday, Bill Moyers explained why we need a fighter, not a compromiser on this one...

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exactly well said by Moyers
 

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Single payer is more alive than ever. This issue is not going away. I don't know what Obama's public option is i think it's making sure insurance companies make a profit. But single payer is being looked at by many states as the most cost effective way to do business. I know California can save 7.6 billion a year with single payer, you think they're are going to let this past by?

Enacting single payer at the state level is how Canada got it's universal system started. This maybe fun watching private insurance running from one state to another after state after state enacts single payer.

Posted on July 27, 2009
Single-payer health care will work

Not only will it give all Delawareans universal health coverage, but also, it will save us a bundle

By FLOYD E. McDOWELL SR.
The News Journal (Delaware)
July 19, 2009

Single-payer health care reform is a no-brainer for informed citizens and credible elected political decision-makers.

Our state?s growing list of 32 statewide organizations and individuals supporting our single-payer Delaware Health Security Act will see a breakthrough in state single-payer legislation in 2010.

It?s happening elsewhere.

California?s State Legislature has twice passed a single-payer act, but both were vetoed by their Terminator governor. Former Gov. Jerry Brown, now attorney general, has announced his bid for governor in 2010, is leading in the polls and is a strong single-payer advocate. California has 43 times the population of Delaware, and if it were a nation it would have the eighth largest economy among all nations. Maine?s state legislature has passed a single-payer act, and its coalition is working to elect a governor who won?t let the Brinks truck visit and cause a veto.

Coalitions in Massachusetts, Vermont and many other states are making solid progress toward enactment of single-payer acts.

If one of these Eastern Corridor states passes single-payer reform, few private businesses will come to our state and we?ll lose more than Chrysler and GM competing in the global economy.

Many polls, at state and national levels, show that about 70 percent of citizens polled want single-payer reform. Sensible single-payer or similar public-option reform will never occur in Washington, thanks to some 40,000 well-funded lobbyists protecting this largest cash cow in our nation?s history. It?s in the states where citizens can be informed and enlisted to support this desperately needed change.

The health-care page on our coalition?s nonprofit, nonpartisan DEinformed voters.org site thoroughly explains the Delaware act.

The following is a partial list of the many research-proven, cost-effective benefits it will provide all Delaware citizens and our state:

All citizens and their families will receive comprehensive, universal health care coverage from conception until death without a cent needed for extra insurance, co-payments or deductibles. This also applies to Delaware workers and their families if the worker lives in another state and works at least 20 hours a week in Delaware.
Health-care coverage will include all services for physicians, dentists, other health-care professionals, hospitals, pharmaceutical drugs, all types of long-term care, laboratories, diagnostic technologies, our disabled citizens, mental health treatment, drug addiction treatment, and special equipment and aids.
The act will eliminate all health-care debt, now responsible for about 70 percent of personal bankruptcies. This is a big reason citizens lose their homes or can?t buy homes. Eighty percent of those filing for bankruptcy had health insurance.
It will eliminate the Medicare/Medicaid pauper requirement that one must give up all savings and property to receive long-term care assistance.
It will enable everyone?s health-care records to be electronically sent anywhere in the world, whereas only 20 percent are now being transmitted that way.
Personal health-care savings will enable hundreds of millions annually to be spent in our economy.
The act will reduce vehicle and home/building insurance cost by eliminating the personal injury liability requirement.
The act will operate like our successful single-payer Medicare program, which has an administrative/overhead cost of 1.5 percent, and will have adequate funds to properly pay all health-care providers.
Although we spend twice as much on health care as the other 29 developed nations and are ranked 37th among all nations by the World Health Organization on important health-care indicators, we?re the only developed nation that does not provide universal health-care coverage.
This act will eliminate the totally unnecessary broker health insurance industry (including AARP insurance), as they don?t contribute even a Band-Aid to any part of health care, waste about 40 percent of our state?s health-care funds via 30 percent administrative/overhead cost (tons of costly multi-payer paperwork, profits, advertising, lobbying, etc.) and a minimum of 10 percent in health-care fraud. This act will return all decision-making to physicians and other professionals, whereas now they have to get permission from health insurance industry staff for some life-or-death decisions. All citizens will choose their health-care physicians and other providers.

This act will save our state?s budget over $200 million each year in lowered costs for state employee/retiree health-care coverage and on other state-funded health-care programs. State workers would not have a salary cut and not have to pay 2 percent of salary on health-care costs.

It will be like a magnet to both attract and retain private businesses in our state. It will save private and public employers 40 percent in workmen?s compensation insurance rates. Private businesses will only pay about 10 percent into the state?s fund. Large businesses will pay less than they?re now paying, and small businesses will only contribute 3 percent, at one-half the rate of large businesses.

All state/federal funds for health care will go into the Delaware Health Security Fund. Ninety percent of our state?s health-care funds come from hard-working citizens, 70 percent from taxes and 20 percent from out-of-pocket expenses. Each taxpayer filing a Delaware tax return will be required to pay a 2.5 percent Health Security tax on net (after deductions) income. This will be less than the current and future out-of-pocket expense. This act asks our elected officials to let our citizens? funds be used to cover themselves and family members just as their tax funds now provide and offer a comprehensive health-care benefit package to each of them and their family members. What irony!

Finally, this system is not government-run.

The ruling Delaware Health Security Authority will be composed of four members from the House and Senate Health Committees, the Secretary of Health and Social Services representing the governor?s office, five representatives from statewide organizations representing health-care professionals and five from consumer groups that have endorsed single-payer reform.

Fifteen-member County Advisory Councils will be established in each county from the same sources to work with the state authority on all planning, implementation and evaluation of health-care facilities, staffing and services in each county.

Any lobbyist, politician or citizen who does the Halloween routine that this will bring the ?guvment? between you and this sensible, cost-effective health-care system is either uninformed, a pathological liar or both.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/singlepayer_health_.php
 

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Single payer is more alive than ever. This maybe fun watching private insurance running from one state to another after state after state enacts single payer.
I hope you're right. Healthcare, pharma and insurance company execs may be getting rich off of our commodity based system but it's killing our economy.
 

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My wifes cousin was a long time smoker , drinker truck driver all his life.

At 53 he was rushed to the hospital in Tenn with severe headaches.
He had a stroke affecting the left side of his body.

After many tests they determined he had a brain tumor and had to be operated on immediately.

The operation took place and he was in a coma for several weeks in ICU.

He had no insurance. No medicare.

When his only daughter of 30 yrs of age arrived at the hospital she was made to sign all the forms taking full responsibility for his entire bill.

Its over 149 K

He is now in hospice care waiting to die.

This is life changing for her and her husband with one small child to raise.

Anyone see anything wrong with this. ?
 

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My wifes cousin was a long time smoker , drinker truck driver all his life.

At 53 he was rushed to the hospital in Tenn with severe headaches.
He had a stroke affecting the left side of his body.

After many tests they determined he had a brain tumor and had to be operated on immediately.

The operation took place and he was in a coma for several weeks in ICU.

He had no insurance. No medicare.

When his only daughter of 30 yrs of age arrived at the hospital she was made to sign all the forms taking full responsibility for his entire bill.

Its over 149 K

He is now in hospice care waiting to die.

This is life changing for her and her husband with one small child to raise.

Anyone see anything wrong with this. ?

Been in this business 25+ years and never heard of such. Someones blowing smoke up your ass.
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Thought I'd do some checking on this for you Scott rather than just being a smart ass.

Children are not responsible for their parents medical bills--however if they can get anyone-even a stranger to sign that they will be responsible--they can make an issue of it as a signed contract--I would certainly see an attorney about issue if I was the daughter--
 
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Been in this business 25+ years and never heard of such. Someones blowing smoke up your ass.
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Thought I'd do some checking on this for you Scott rather than just being a smart ass.

Children are not responsible for their parents medical bills--however if they can get anyone-even a stranger to sign that they will be responsible--they can make an issue of it as a signed contract--I would certainly see an attorney about issue if I was the daughter--
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This was told to me by the sister who is not very good with information and kinda out of it at this point with grief and all.

I do not understand how they could not be forced to pay this if the daughter signed the papers. I think they were holding a procedure until someone signed the forms. :shrug:

I will dig deeper and see what they say. We have not been able to get up there because of my wifes medical problems.

I hope it is true.
 
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Been in this business 25+ years and never heard of such.
I agree. I've never heard of such a thing either.

Children are not responsible for their parents medical bills--however if they can get anyone-even a stranger to sign that they will be responsible--they can make an issue of it as a signed contract--I would certainly see an attorney about issue if I was the daughter--
Says alot about our dysfunctional healthcare system, doesn't it? :shrug:
 

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My wifes cousin was a long time smoker , drinker truck driver all his life.

At 53 he was rushed to the hospital in Tenn with severe headaches.
He had a stroke affecting the left side of his body.

After many tests they determined he had a brain tumor and had to be operated on immediately.

The operation took place and he was in a coma for several weeks in ICU.

He had no insurance. No medicare.

When his only daughter of 30 yrs of age arrived at the hospital she was made to sign all the forms taking full responsibility for his entire bill.

Its over 149 K

He is now in hospice care waiting to die.

This is life changing for her and her husband with one small child to raise.

Anyone see anything wrong with this. ?

Single payer will save 286 billion a year that will be put back into the care system for better health for Americans.

Under universal health medicare for all (HR 676) to be enacted this will be a thing of the past. America will have the best health care system in the world.
 

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Single payer will save 286 billion a year that will be put back into the care system for better health for Americans.

Under universal health medicare for all (HR 676) to be enacted this will be a thing of the past. America will have the best health care system in the world.

Hmm Should I believe a liberal such as yourself--or should I look at how much single payors Medicare and Medicade coverage has saved in the past--how many trillions of debt has it contributed?

You have same prob as Gumby and crew -and that is convincing even the lowest on the logical thinking scale--That we "will save" by "spending" a trillion more :)
 

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"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." --Thomas Jefferson
 
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