Would we have Swine Flu by now?

dawgball

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Fuck fucking no. Why did you get that are you high risk or in health care?

That's a live virus they put in you dude. You will be sneezing that shit all over your family and friends!:00x10

I personally chose to get the vaccine because my wife is due with our third child in 3 weeks.

A little caveat to this is that I really had no say so in this whatsoever. My aforementioned pregnant wife believes the vaccine is a good idea (translated as: get the fucking vaccine) and while pregnant there is very little argument out of me on these matters.

Just sayin'

p.s. I don't remember sneezing yesterday after receiving it, but I will admit that I had a headache for about an hour. I hate nasal sprays.

If you don't see me post over the next few days/weeks, chalk me up as a statistic.
 

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I personally chose to get the vaccine because my wife is due with our third child in 3 weeks.

A little caveat to this is that I really had no say so in this whatsoever. My aforementioned pregnant wife believes the vaccine is a good idea (translated as: get the fucking vaccine) and while pregnant there is very little argument out of me on these matters.

Just sayin'

p.s. I don't remember sneezing yesterday after receiving it, but I will admit that I had a headache for about an hour. I hate nasal sprays.

If you don't see me post over the next few days/weeks, chalk me up as a statistic.


Just the opposite here. Wife is due on Xmas day. They offered at her last 3 appts to get vac. We declined. Our kids don't get any shots either. :shrug:

The intranasal flu vaccine has about 10,000,000 to 100,000,000 live virus particles that can shed virus up to 3 weeks after administration. Annually, both the injectable and live virus intranasal spray are offered during flu season. Traditionally, the intranasal vaccine is a poor seller.
Out of nowhere we have just been told the intranasal version will be the first vaccine available. They have been predicting two shots from day one...now revised to one..Never a mention of the intranasal.
I guess they need to sell this vaccine first to clear the shelves and to ensure a massive shedding of virus into the population... to aid in the infection of the masses which sets up a ready market for the following injectable version...
Correct me if I am wrong...but hasn't the vaccine trials used the injectable version?

Google Dr. Carley and inform yourself.
 

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Nearly 5,000 people have reportedly died from swine flu since it emerged this year and developed into a global epidemic, the World Health Organization said Friday.

Since most countries have stopped counting individual swine flu cases, the figure is considered an underestimate.

WHO said there were 4,999 total deaths through Oct. 18, most of them in the Western Hemisphere. The figure was up 264 from a week earlier.

Iceland had its first swine flu death this week, and WHO said Sudan and Trinidad and Tobago also reported deaths from the virus for the first time this week.

In the United States, swine flu caused at least 95 children's deaths since April, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Forty-six states now have widespread flu activity, the CDC said, adding that only Connecticut, Hawaii, New Jersey and South Carolina are without widespread flu.

In London, drug maker GlaxoSmithKline PLC said children may only need one shot of its swine flu vaccine to be protected.

In its statement Friday, Glaxo said one dose was enough to boost children's immune systems to fight the virus, based on data from a trial in Spain in 200 children aged six months to 3 years.

Glaxo's finding comes after experts said they expected children would need two doses, since their immune systems are weaker than those of adults. Last week, rival vaccine maker Sanofi Aventis said children would likely need two doses of vaccine against swine flu, or H1N1.

GlaxoSmithKline's Pandemrix vaccine contains an adjuvant, a chemical compound that stretches a vaccine's active ingredient and increases the human body's immune response. While European flu vaccines commonly use adjuvants, there is limited data on how safe they are in groups including children and pregnant women.

The adjuvant in Glaxo's swine flu vaccine has been used in more than 41,000 people in bird flu, swine flu and regular flu vaccines.

Swine flu vaccines in the U.S. do not have adjuvants. Some countries have ordered special stocks of vaccines without adjuvants for their at-risk populations.

While most people recover from swine flu without needing medical treatment, the virus strikes children particularly hard.

According to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, more than half of hospitalizations and nearly a quarter of deaths due to swine flu are in children and adults under 25.

An Associated Press-GfK poll found that a third of American parents don't want their children to get the swine flu shot, with many citing concerns about side effects.

Of the thousands of people who have so far received the swine flu vaccine, the most commonly reported side effects have been soreness where the injection was given and minor flu symptoms.
 

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Agent,

You seem very caught up with the fact that the H1N1 nasal vaccine contains live virus. You've mentioned that at least twice on here.

They are attenuated...meaning they are in a form that cannot cause disease. When you make statements such as "you will be sneezing that shit all over your family and friends" you imply that he will sneeze and then his whole family is going to come down with the swine flu. Attenuated vaccines are altered so they can't cause disease.

Want to know what other vaccines are live attenuated vaccines: measles, mumps, rubella, polio, varicella (chicken pox). It's just so funny that people are freaking out about the "truths" about the swine vaccine when those same truths can be said about the very same ones they get their kids day in and day out.

Again this has nothing to do with your personal decision to turn down vaccines. But it does have to do with your complete ignorance on the subject and false claims, ie you will be sneezing virus on your family if you get the nasal version.

I would encourage discussion but since you've yet to explain to me how 25 deaths out of 40 million vaccines is something that "killed and maimed" I guess I can expect no response. Either that, or you'll tell me I'm a "fucking idiot" because you can't come up with something relevant to the discussion.
 

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Our kids don't get any shots either. :shrug:

That's a personal choice. One that I 'personally' disagree with, but their your children so my opinion is worthless.

The intranasal flu vaccine has about 10,000,000 to 100,000,000 live virus particles that can shed virus up to 3 weeks after administration. Annually, both the injectable and live virus intranasal spray are offered during flu season. Traditionally, the intranasal vaccine is a poor seller.
Out of nowhere we have just been told the intranasal version will be the first vaccine available. They have been predicting two shots from day one...now revised to one..Never a mention of the intranasal.
I guess they need to sell this vaccine first to clear the shelves and to ensure a massive shedding of virus into the population... to aid in the infection of the masses which sets up a ready market for the following injectable version...
Correct me if I am wrong...but hasn't the vaccine trials used the injectable version?

The shot was available as well. They offered both, so it was no bait and switch conspiracy as it seems you are suggesting.

And, despite your high intellectual ego you are not the only one that comprehends that there are LIVE virus particles in them. But from my non-medical background, I am okay with that due to what I have read.

Google Dr. Carley and inform yourself.

So extreme one-sided viewpoints with no representation for the positives on the risk/reward situation is good educational material? I mean, that chick is no better than Fox news as far as I can tell.

Summation of Dr. Carley's stance: vaccinations should be looked upon as "weapons of mass destruction"

(edited - no sense in that)
 
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President Barack Obama declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, giving his health chief the power to let hospitals move emergency rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect noninfected patients.

The declaration, signed Friday night and announced Saturday, comes with the disease more prevalent than ever in the country and production delays undercutting the government's initial, optimistic estimates that as many as 120 million doses of the vaccine could be available by mid-October.

Health authorities say more than 1,000 people in the United States, including almost 100 children, have died from the strain of flu known as H1N1, and 46 states have widespread flu activity. So far only 11 million doses have gone out to health departments, doctor's offices and other providers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officials.

Administration officials said the declaration was a pre-emptive move designed to make decisions easier when they need to be made. Officials said the move was not in response to any single development.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal rules when opening alternative care sites, such as offsite hospital centers at schools or community centers if hospitals seek permission.

Some hospitals have opened drive-thrus and drive-up tent clinics to screen and treat swine flu patients. The idea is to keep infectious people out of regular emergency rooms and away from other sick patients.

Hospitals could modify patient rules ? for example, requiring them to give less information during a hectic time ? to quicken access to treatment, with government approval, under the declaration.

It also addresses a financial question for hospitals ? reimbursement for treating people at sites not typically approved. For instance, federal rules do not allow hospitals to put up treatment tents more than 250 yards away from the doors; if the tents are 300 yards or more away, typically federal dollars won't go to pay for treatment.

Administration officials said those rules might not make sense while fighting the swine flu, especially if the best piece of pavement is in the middle of a parking lot and some medical centers already are putting in place parts of their emergency plans.

The national emergency declaration was the second of two steps needed to give Sebelius extraordinary powers during a crisis.

On April 26, the administration declared swine flu a public health emergency, allowing the shipment of roughly 12 million doses of flu-fighting medications from a federal stockpile to states in case they eventually needed them. At the time, there were 20 confirmed cases in the U.S. of people recovering easily. There was no vaccine against swine flu, but the CDC had taken the initial step necessary for producing one.

"As a nation, we have prepared at all levels of government, and as individuals and communities, taking unprecedented steps to counter the emerging pandemic," Obama wrote in Saturday's declaration.

He said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's a potential "to overburden health care resources."

The government now hopes to have about 50 million doses of swine flu vaccine out by mid-November and 150 million in December. The flu virus has to be grown in chicken eggs, and the yield hasn't been as high as was initially hoped, officials have said.

"Many millions" of Americans have had swine flu so far, according to an estimate that CDC Director Dr. Thomas Frieden gave Friday. The government doesn't test everyone to confirm swine flu so it doesn't have an exact count. He also said there have been more than 20,000 hospitalizations.
 
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