What a mess in Louisana

[gardenweasel]

Don't be so sure garden.

I cringe every time I watch a news report on TV. You would think that they would enlist someone who knew what they are talking about but it is evident that they haven't.

I watched one of the early news reports with my wife and she made logical comments based on what she saw on the news. However, her comments were idiotic in reality.

You should be more careful when you use the word "fact".

Please tell me what you think the "facts" are and I will tell you if you are correct or not. I guarantee you that I will give you an honest yes, no or nobody knows yet.

I wouldn't BS in a situation like this.

you know much more than i do...that is fact....i only know what i read....

my opinion?...i don`t think the administration had a clue what happened originally and sent swat teams out as a knee jerk reaction to the disaster to cover their asses....just in case...and i can`t say i blame them...

but,people want to blame somebody...that`s the world we live in...people expect an uninterrupted production of "miracles" without consequence, risk or danger...they expect it as a matter of routine....

accidents?...they`re the worst thing there is...it interupts folks` complacency....

so this accident?the worst in over 20 years(which should indicate just how rare such accidents actually are)should demonstrate how routine the uninterrupted supply of "miracles" has actually become...

but,it will become the excuse to pare back and whack the peteroleum industry one more time...

do i think that the eco-terrorists are capable of such a thing?....sure...so does the obama administration...that`s why all bets were off in the early stages....

i`m no expert...but to a layman,this explanation makes sense...

"" It is thought that somehow formation fluids ? oil /gas ? got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the seabed ? the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment ? the Blowout Preventers, or ?BOP?s? as they?re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow ? the flames. They were 200 ? 300 ft high."

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/05/01/the-gulf-oil-rig-explosion-on-the-scene-photos/

it`s your field...does this sound plausible to you?...

 

[homedog]

you know much more than i do...that is fact....i only know what i read....

my opinion?...i don`t think the administration had a clue what happened originally and sent swat teams out as a knee jerk reaction to the disaster to cover their asses....just in case...and i can`t say i blame them...

but,people want to blame somebody...that`s the world we live in...people expect an uninterrupted production of "miracles" without consequence, risk or danger...they expect it as a matter of routine....

accidents?...they`re the worst thing there is...it interupts folks` complacency....

so this accident?the worst in over 20 years(which should indicate just how rare such accidents actually are)should demonstrate how routine the uninterrupted supply of "miracles" has actually become...

but,it will become the excuse to pare back and whack the peteroleum industry one more time...

do i think that the eco-terrorists are capable of such a thing?....sure...so does the obama administration...that`s why all bets were off in the early stages....

i`m no expert...but to a layman,this explanation makes sense...

"" It is thought that somehow formation fluids ? oil /gas ? got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the seabed ? the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment ? the Blowout Preventers, or ?BOP?s? as they?re called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow ? the flames. They were 200 ? 300 ft high."

it`s your field...does this sound plausible to you?...

Very good post.

I will tell you what is real and what isn't real.

"" It is thought that somehow formation fluids ? oil /gas ? got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action."

They took action. The diverter was closed (waht I was told from a guy on the rig) and the EDS button was pressed (what I was told from BP). It definitely happened fast and furious. What is unclear is why they didn't see it coming. The mud tanks are always monitored for gain/loss. Gain is a sign of a kick and would have alerted the rig to a problem.

"In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow ? the flames. They were 200 ? 300 ft high."

Like I said, they hit the button. For some reason, the BOP didn't close.

There aren't "multiple panic buttons" unless they are talking about the same panic button in multiple places. Regardless, it was pressed.

 

[gardenweasel]

Very good post.

I will tell you what is real and what isn't real.

"" It is thought that somehow formation fluids ? oil /gas ? got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action."

They took action. The diverter was closed (waht I was told from a guy on the rig) and the EDS button was pressed (what I was told from BP). It definitely happened fast and furious. What is unclear is why they didn't see it coming. The mud tanks are always monitored for gain/loss. Gain is a sign of a kick and would have alerted the rig to a problem.

"In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit, and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about 35 miles away. Not the glow ? the flames. They were 200 ? 300 ft high."

Like I said, they hit the button. For some reason, the BOP didn't close.

There aren't "multiple panic buttons" unless they are talking about the same panic button in multiple places. Regardless, it was pressed.

i believe you..

and i agree with your point about the 11 guys that were lost...the coal miners(in the recent w.va. mining disaster), are longtime heroes to the msm......broadcasting the funerals etc...and that`s fine.......

but the oil workers?...not so much...they`re evil enablers of the internal combustion engine... rapers of the planet, and the evil oil company`s minions...

the reason you don`t hear much about them is obvious...they`re bogeymen.....

just ask spongy...

 

[homedog]

i believe you..

and i agree with your point about the 11 guys that were lost...the coal miners(in the recent w.va. mining disaster), are longtime heroes to the msm......broadcasting the funerals etc...and that`s fine.......

but the oil workers?...not so much...they`re evil enablers of the internal combustion engine... rapers of the planet, and the evil oil company`s minions...

the reason you don`t hear much about them is obvious...they`re bogeymen.....

just ask spongy...

That the lost men were forgotten so swiftly by the media is a sure sign of where they, and all of the other government officials including the President, stand.

Doesn't really matter much though. Our "President" and the people that work to assure that the U.S. is on the top of the heap haven't agreed on much at all.

 

[homedog]

By the way, gw, I am not asking you or anyone else to believe what I say here. I will tell you though that I will only post what I know is true or untrue. I don't have any reason to lie.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

<CITE class=vcard>By HOLBROOK MOHR and ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writers Holbrook Mohr And Allen G. Breed, Associated Press Writers </CITE>? <ABBR class=recenttimedate title=2010-05-03T07:35:57-0700>44 mins ago</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->VENICE, La. ? BP PLC said Monday that it will pay for all the cleanup costs from a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that could continue spewing crude for at least another week.
The company posted a fact sheet on its Web site saying it took responsibility for the response to the Deepwater Horizon spill and would pay compensation for legitimate claims for property damage, personal injury and commercial losses.
"We are responsible, not for the accident, but we are responsible for the oil and for dealing with it and cleaning the situation up," chief executive Tony Hayward said Monday on ABC's "Good Morning America." He said the equipment that failed on the rig and led to the spill belonged to owner Transocean Ltd., not BP, which operated the rig.

 

[shamrock]

That the lost men were forgotten so swiftly by the media is a sure sign of where they, and all of the other government officials including the President, stand.

Doesn't really matter much though. Our "President" and the people that work to assure that the U.S. is on the top of the heap haven't agreed on much at all.

Hdog, just wondering, is there any recorded proof that the fail safe systems were activated, or attempted to be activated.
Could you really see someone in this dilemma saying "no I didn't press the buttons?"

 

[EXTRAPOLATER]

Might have been mentioned (didn't see it but maybe it's common knowledge) but from what I've heard the big debacle was the disconnect from the ship to the ocean's basin; oil spewed from below and getting that blocked was the major obstacle.
whatevas

More interested in the following.
Maybe somebody--hopin' for your word, homedog--can chime in on this.
Anyways, it sounds like there is a shitload of both oil and natural gas up in Alaska. I've heard different reasons for not exploiting the same, if true, but none of them seem very...hmmm...humane, perhaps.

Any word on Alaska?
Sure would be safer than any off-shore excavations.

 

[gardenweasel]

Might have been mentioned (didn't see it but maybe it's common knowledge) but from what I've heard the big debacle was the disconnect from the ship to the ocean's basin; oil spewed from below and getting that blocked was the major obstacle.
whatevas

More interested in the following.
Maybe somebody--hopin' for your word, homedog--can chime in on this.
Anyways, it sounds like there is a shitload of both oil and natural gas up in Alaska. I've heard different reasons for not exploiting the same, if true, but none of them seem very...hmmm...humane, perhaps.

Any word on Alaska?
Sure would be safer than any off-shore excavations.

panel 38..."if we were allowed to drill in the more remote,oil rich areas(anwar),the environmenatal impact of such an accident wouldn`t affect thousands of people"...

word,straps...

 

[Morris]

<CITE class=vcard>By HOLBROOK MOHR and ALLEN G. BREED, Associated Press Writers Holbrook Mohr And Allen G. Breed, Associated Press Writers </CITE>? <ABBR class=recenttimedate title=2010-05-03T07:35:57-0700>44 mins ago</ABBR>
<!-- end .byline -->VENICE, La. ? BP PLC said Monday that it will pay for all the cleanup costs from a massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico that could continue spewing crude for at least another week.

Hmmm... if Bp is going to incur all costs i wonder why gas in my area is up 7 cents a gallon since this happened. BP isn't going to pay we are or the other oil cos. are again using this to raise gas prices.
This must be excuse # 102.............

 

[shawn555]

This is going to be crippling.

The oil will be heading up the east coast soon, its not too far off from getting caught up in gulf stream.

200,000 gallons of oil a day for weeks if not months.

And this is going to cost well over the 75 million cap bp is required to pay.

 

[RAYMOND]

keep it out of here ray. christ!

-Jack

 

[Morris]

And this is going to cost well over the 75 million cap bp is required to pay.

News tonite said the cost would be 3 billion easy! :scared

 

[lawtchan]

Hmmm... if Bp is going to incur all costs i wonder why gas in my area is up 7 cents a gallon since this happened. BP isn't going to pay we are or the other oil cos. are again using this to raise gas prices.
This must be excuse # 102.............

BP====Gov't BAILOUT:nono: :nono:

 

[homedog]

Hdog, just wondering, is there any recorded proof that the fail safe systems were activated, or attempted to be activated.
Could you really see someone in this dilemma saying "no I didn't press the buttons?"

I will tell you this, shamrock, all of the data from the rig was transmitted to shore and recorded until the communication was lost after the explosion. They know if the button was pressed or not.

 

[homedog]

Might have been mentioned (didn't see it but maybe it's common knowledge) but from what I've heard the big debacle was the disconnect from the ship to the ocean's basin; oil spewed from below and getting that blocked was the major obstacle.
whatevas

More interested in the following.
Maybe somebody--hopin' for your word, homedog--can chime in on this.
Anyways, it sounds like there is a shitload of both oil and natural gas up in Alaska. I've heard different reasons for not exploiting the same, if true, but none of them seem very...hmmm...humane, perhaps.

Any word on Alaska?
Sure would be safer than any off-shore excavations.

The disconnect obviously didn't happen. I have heard they tried to drive off. There are reasons why this might not have worked but no facts yet.

I don't understand you question about AK. Humane?

All I can tell you is that AK is not a very economical environment. Taxes are punitive to the operators. I don't know why they all don't just pull out and tell the govt to kiss their ass.

And it isn't safer than offshore drilling.

 

[ageecee]

I can't disagree with any of that. But, I have worked in the industry all of my life, been on the rigs (Horizon included) and I can tell you that when you work for Transocean and BP they have one of the most stringent safety environments you could want. There are others that don't have the same safety concern. I hope that all of the lesser operators wake up.

100% true. BP is the most safety conscious company in the oilfield bar none.

 

[ageecee]

Homedog what kind of work you do?

You from Louisiana?

 

[ageecee]

they successfully closed the BOP's. Next step is to install a cap. Then they will do a pressure test and hopefully in a few days the well will be capped.

 

[toastonastick]

I sure as hell hope they get this thing cleaned up. I have a $600 deposit on a condo in Pensacaola Beach for June 7th. Bad part is the the other half is due tomorrow ($600).
VRBO property,

Cancelation policy is they will refund all money minus $100 IF and a big IF, if they can rerent the property.

Fawkin sux for me!