VERY SERIOUS-Please give opinions, legal or otherwise

[ces]

16 yr. old granddaughter was grading papers for a 60 yr. old teacher. After mos. of building "trust", he suggests money for sex last evening. He does this in his car when he asks her for help with an errand. She has no where to go after saying "no way" until arriving back to office.

Semi confines her by not leaving her alone and allowing her to make a phone call and asks her to promise she will be back the next day. Finally, he's distracted and she leaves. Fortunately, no physical harm done.

My son is a big strong man and we've discussed the obvious phyical harm we'd like to inflict. My real question is what penalties, criminal and or civil,
can be imposed. We are assuming the bringing of charges will go a long way in ruining his credibility, plus the cost of defending himself(filed police report last eve.).

I realize this is much more important to me than you guys. I'm bringing this here for the diversity of opinion and the possibility someone has seen this situation before and can put forth an idea my son and I have not thought of in our emotional reaction of wanting to castrate the bastard.

 

[MadJack]

Just quickly off the top of my head without much thought.

Arrange a meeting with teacher, guidance councelor and principal. Tell them what happened and ask what they are going to do about it because you are probably going to the police.

Get that prick fired.

I doubt you can prove anything, his word against your daughter. :shrug:

 

[The Joker]

16 yr. old granddaughter was grading papers for a 60 yr. old teacher. After mos. of building "trust", he suggests money for sex last evening. He does this in his car when he asks her for help with an errand. She has no where to go after saying "no way" until arriving back to office.

Semi confines her by not leaving her alone and allowing her to make a phone call and asks her to promise she will be back the next day. Finally, he's distracted and she leaves. Fortunately, no physical harm done.

My son is a big strong man and we've discussed the obvious phyical harm we'd like to inflict. My real question is what penalties, criminal and or civil,
can be imposed. We are assuming the bringing of charges will go a long way in ruining his credibility, plus the cost of defending himself(filed police report last eve.).

I realize this is much more important to me than you guys. I'm bringing this here for the diversity of opinion and the possibility someone has seen this situation before and can put forth an idea my son and I have not thought of in our emotional reaction of wanting to castrate the bastard.

Have you called the police? You need to ASAP. They will involve the appropriate services - please do so in a timely manner if you have not already done so.

Would like to hear an update as things progress - if you have the time. Sorry this happened.

 

[kegray1]

Sorry to hear this.
Is this public or private school?
I would take it to the top of the school.
The police will do so, but the parents voices should be heard more so than just what the police say.
This is just my opinion. Not my place to give anymore.

Good luck, crap like this is just a shame.

 

[The Joker]

Just quickly off the top of my head without much thought.

Arrange a meeting with teacher, guidance councelor and principal. Tell them what happened and ask what they are going to do about it because you are probably going to the police.

Get that prick fired.

I doubt you can prove anything, his word against your daughter. :shrug:

Yep. However - their could be a few things that can be done........up to the city at this point.

 

[MadJack]

I probably would have already been in the fukers face carrying a louisville slugger. Not a good thing to do though, and I am not recommending this action.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

16 yr. old granddaughter was grading papers for a 60 yr. old teacher. After mos. of building "trust", he suggests money for sex last evening. He does this in his car when he asks her for help with an errand. She has no where to go after saying "no way" until arriving back to office.

Semi confines her by not leaving her alone and allowing her to make a phone call and asks her to promise she will be back the next day. Finally, he's distracted and she leaves. Fortunately, no physical harm done.

My son is a big strong man and we've discussed the obvious phyical harm we'd like to inflict. My real question is what penalties, criminal and or civil,
can be imposed. We are assuming the bringing of charges will go a long way in ruining his credibility, plus the cost of defending himself(filed police report last eve.).

I realize this is much more important to me than you guys. I'm bringing this here for the diversity of opinion and the possibility someone has seen this situation before and can put forth an idea my son and I have not thought of in our emotional reaction of wanting to castrate the bastard.

Wow. What a piece of shit. My advice? Get a lawyer. My other advice -- don't do anything over than go after him via the legal system. Putting a "beatdown" has to be tempting, I'm sure, but then your son would get arrested and I doubt that's the kind of example he wants to set for his daughter/your granddaughter.

GL. I hope they put the screws to that a-hole.

 

[layinwood]

Ugh, first and foremost "if" it was me I would take matters into my owns hands.(that's just me and I know others disagree)

Here's the ONE negative to this and trust me I know because a friend of mine went thru it when we were in high school. I'm not saying anything about your granddaughter but you have to realize that ANYTHING she has done will be brought up if this goes to court or anywhere like that. It can be very tramatic to a young lady even if they're as straight as they can be. Things will be said about them, true and untrue. I would do what MJ said and try to keep it as quite as possible. The friend of mine in high school really struggled for years after because of the things the teacher said about her. It sucked and I always felt bad for her.


Just saw the second thing MJ wrote so just for clarification I was talking about the first thing her wrote.

 

[bleedingpurple]

This is going to be hard to prove.. I would try to keep it quiet and then see if the police would like to do a sting with this guy. Problem is that he would be suspicious of it.

 

[gjn23]

the 60 year old teacher has to go to the store eventually.....and chances are, he'll go at night.

seems like there's a chance he could get the shit beat out of him; randomly; in the parking lot....with few people around......THEN i'd call the cops/school to discuss his "offer"

 

[hawkeye]

Being an retired princpal I would 1st do as Jack said--arrange a mtg with the guy and the superintedennt of schools-not the principal-lay it out. His word agaisnt hers but this will raise some red flags. Then go to the cops. Let them know you are going to the cops. Don't mess with this it will not go away-hit it head on.

 

[ces]

Thanks for your replies. We've done a little bit of each suggestion.

Here is the order of progress from our finding out last evening at 7 PM.

Son takes a fireman buddy with him to confront the guy and intimidate him and make him go through the same fear my granddaughter had.
Value of the firefighter is he knows most of the cops in area in case guy cries foul.

Addressing her word against his. Son pulls up to office and he comes out immediately apologizing and essentially admitting what he's done in front of my son's friend. Much yelling and posturing but no physical stuff.

Son leaves and family goes to police and file a report right away. Today see a lawyer to go after this guy.

To clarify the guy's position. Teacher, but runs his own driving school. Happened at his driving school.

Not sure about seeing supt. He only taught her in driver's ed., not a public school. And she was educated at a different school so she doesn't have the normal teacher/student relationship. He was so much older there no chance she had a crush on him.

For those in favor of breaking his balls. Thinking this would never be a reality, I've always told my son to wait until the perp leasts expects with no witnesses and then do what makes you feel better. And don't tell a soul.

We'll see what happens in court, first.

 

[The Joker]

I've always told my son to wait until the perp leasts expects with no witnesses and then do what makes you feel better. And don't tell a soul.

I really like this. It's old school justice.

 

[MadJack]

I really like this. It's old school justice.

 

[Cie]

I really like this. It's old school justice.

Seeing you in pictures, I would guess the closest you'll come to old school justice is a Charles Bronson double feature:142smilie


Don't sweat it, though. I'm right there with you......

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

I really like this. It's old school justice.

The only problem with this is, witnesses or not, it's going to be pretty easy to connect the dots and have the assault lead back to his son. The guy gets his ass kicked *anonymously* and then shortly after that the police/lawyers/school board are told of his scumbag tactics? It won't take a rocket scientist to figure out why he got his ass kicked.

And FWIW, I'm not saying I wouldn't want to do the exact same thing. I hope nothing like this ever happens to me when I have kids because I'm pretty sure I WOULDN'T be able to restrain myself. So I'm sure as shit not passing judgment on someone who takes it into their hands. I'm just saying if that's the route they choose, it's going to come back to them and make a shitty situation even worse, IMO.

BTW ces, I forgot to say sorry for your granddaughter having to go this. It's an f'd up world where kids aren't even safe at school, especially when it's the teachers who are the wrongdoers.

 

[ces]

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[ageecee]

the 60 year old teacher has to go to the store eventually.....and chances are, he'll go at night.

seems like there's a chance he could get the shit beat out of him; randomly; in the parking lot....with few people around......THEN i'd call the cops/school to discuss his "offer"

exactly..

 

[ces]

The only problem with this is, witnesses or not, it's going to be pretty easy to connect the dots and have the assault lead back to his son. The guy gets his ass kicked *anonymously* and then shortly after that the police/lawyers/school board are told of his scumbag tactics? It won't take a rocket scientist to figure out why he got his ass kicked.

And FWIW, I'm not saying I wouldn't want to do the exact same thing. I hope nothing like this ever happens to me when I have kids because I'm pretty sure I WOULDN'T be able to restrain myself. So I'm sure as shit not passing judgment on someone who takes it into their hands. I'm just saying if that's the route they choose, it's going to come back to them and make a shitty situation even worse, IMO.

BTW ces, I forgot to say sorry for your granddaughter having to go this. It's an f'd up world where kids aren't even safe at school, especially when it's the teachers who are the wrongdoers.

Thank you. This could have been so much worse.
I, like many if you, sobbed a bit when FDC told of his experience. My granddaughter was why as I was thinking of the what ifs for her at the time. I think it's the trust issue that shakes you the first time it's violated.

For those of you that have spoken up, thanks, and I'm still listening. Will keep you posted.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Thank you. This could have been so much worse.
I, like many if you, sobbed a bit when FDC told of his experience. My granddaughter was why as I was thinking of the what ifs for her at the time. I think it's the trust issue that shakes you the first time it's violated.

For those of you that have spoken up, thanks, and I'm still listening. Will keep you posted.

You're welcome. Whatever the absolute worst possible outcome is for that guy, that's what I'm hoping for. Here's to hoping this destroys his life in more ways than one...