2007 National Champ Props

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Some notable lines up at bodog
WV 15 to 1
Oklahoma 6 to 1
Texas Tech 100 to 1
ND 6 to 1
ASU 40 to 1
CAL 30 to 1
USC 8 to 1
Texas 10 to 1
OSU 6 to 1

In my opinion Texas Tech Oklahoma and Texas ALL have a similar chance to win in that if they get through heir schedule unscathed they will be in NC, and even if they lose 1 game they might make it still. But they all have to play each other, that is my thinking behind TT being a value at 100 to 1

I like ASU 40 to 1 and cant argue with taking WV who loses some D but has an offense that hardly needs it at 15 to 1, with a weak conference they will need to win out but again it is a weak conference

I like ND 6 to 1 to, I would say they are my preseason pick to win it all but at only 6 to 1 not that much better than WV or ASU

IMO bad values
OSU losing 7 starting D and they are 6 to 1??????

USC losing 95% of their offense and having a D that was swiss cheese last year and are only getting younger next year sounds like the worst value out of the single digits
 

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I follow Tech closely ,and let me tell you they have no value. Next year will be a step back for them.

OU is way overpriced. Lose the whole O-Line, which wasnt good to begin with (which tells you alot about who will play this year) and Bomar simply isnt very good. peopl ar emaking far too much of a healthy Peterson. They will be pretty good on defense though, and a somewhat favorable schedule (Tech/AM at home) but they lose at Oregon to start the year off.

USC still still have talent in a league that just isnt that great. And they have ND at home. I wouldnt write them off.

Bottom line there are problems with lots of teams to make a futires bet difficult to justify. West Virginia probably will have a one game season - at Louisville. Not sure if they win that, and being unbeaten may not be good enough to even get in the game. Bu tthat might be the only value play there.
 

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Why is next year going to be a step back, from everything that I read they are only losing mediocre players. I agree with you about OU though, and only time will tell about SC
 

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Look at UGA at 40-1

Look at UGA at 40-1

These are from Betroyal. The one stands out to me is Georgia at 40-1. Lots of value.



Fiesta Bowl BCS Championship

1 Alabama +5000
2 Auburn +2000
3 Arizona +17500
4 Arizona State +5000
5 California +2500
6 Clemson +7000
7 Colorado +15000
8 Florida +1200
9 Florida State +1000
10 Georgia +4000
11 Georgia Tech +8000
12 Iowa +3300
13 Louisville +3500
14 LSU +1200
15 Miami Florida +1800
16 Michigan +2200
17 Michigan State +12500
18 NC State +15000
19 Nebraska +6600
20 Notre Dame +600
21 Ohio State +700
22 Oklahoma +600
23 Oregon +3000
24 Penn State +2500
25 Tennessee +5000
26 Texas +1200
27 Texas A&M +12500
28 UCLA +1500
29 USC +900
30 Virginia +8000
31 Virgina Tech +5000
32 West Virginia +1800
33 Wisconsin +5000
34 Field (Any Other Team) +1200

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texas tech?

no chance....playing in the same conf as tx and ou they will need to win both to have any shot at the bcs game....then have to win that game???? no thanks

from the pac-10.....cal is a great l/s bet...2 stud rb and they should have improved qb play...losing some of their o-line will hurt but at 20+1 odds they have an actual chance (and i liked ucla/oregon prior to last year and ucla actually made a run for 9 weeks)
 

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IMO no big 12 team will sniff the title game next season

As a fan, I would like to see ND in the game obviously, but is there value at 6-1? For a team that lost 3 games last year, including a bowl game and both against top 5 teams, I say no value there.

Personally, I like Florida at those odds. Usually teams to watch for a NC are teams that hit their stride LATE in the season before they make their run. Problem with SEC teams is that just when you THINK they've hit a stride, they lose to South Carolina or Vandy or someone. Texas certainly hit a stride before its run, the pinnacle of which was that great Rose Bowl against the Wolverines. Florida killed FSU, who showed us they were no cakewalk in the VT and PSU games, and was beating Iowa handily, before the score got a little closer than the game really was. At 12-1 its a good SHOT, but like ND, its tough for a 3 loss team to pull it together and go undefeated the next season. But like I've posted before, I dont think there will be ANY undefeateds next season, so you gotta look at teams with tough schedules, good preseason positioning, and the possibility of losing only 1.

Note that LSU also sits at 12-1. I think both being "up there" but not as high as the other favorites reflects that its hard for an SEC team to win its last 6 or so games, which is pretty much what national title teams need to do (unless you are oklahoma and never deserved a chance to begin with). If the SEC as a conference has an off year its definately possible. Right now it looks like only LSU, AUB, and FLA will contend for even top 25 positioning most of the season. Georgia is on the downslope, Tennessee who the hell knows, and Alabama will have a tough time improving on a 3 loss season.
 
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only LSU, Auburn and Florida will contend forTop 25 positioning? Do you know anything about football?


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only LSU, Auburn and Florida will contend forTop 25 positioning? Do you know anything about football?


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Coming from ANOTHER auburn fan. Do you see me crying if people dont give ND respect? No. Take off the homer glasses. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Just because you live down south doesnt make everyone else autmatically wrong you prick. Do you know anything about COMMON SENSE?
 

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after a quick look at pre-season rankings from the last 6 years, COMMON SENSE tells me that the SEC has had at least 5 teams in the pre-season Top 25 each of those years. that's not homer glasses kid.

i really get a kick out of you trying to talk down to others in the forum. you're a joke kid. i'm a lawyer and i graduated from a much better law school than the one you're attending. you've got a long way to go if you're ever going to make anything out of yourself. the first two things you need are an attitude adjustment and a little bit of maturity.

one of the biggest misconceptions in the world is "people who like to argue make great lawyers." nothing could be further from the truth and i feel confident that you're going to learn that the hard way.


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oldschoolcapper said:
after a quick look at pre-season rankings from the last 6 years, COMMON SENSE tells me that the SEC has had at least 5 teams in the pre-season Top 25 each of those years. that's not homer glasses kid.

i really get a kick out of you trying to talk down to others in the forum. you're a joke kid. i'm a lawyer and i graduated from a much better law school than the one you're attending. you've got a long way to go if you're ever going to make anything out of yourself. the first two things you need are an attitude adjustment and a little bit of maturity.

one of the biggest misconceptions in the world is "people who like to argue make great lawyers." nothing could be further from the truth and i feel confident that you're going to learn that the hard way.


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No one fights for positioning in a PRESEASON poll RETARD. I was talking about all season long. I dont care how many SEC teams are in the top 25 preseason, that means nothing. Tennessee was ranked #3 last year, did they "fight for top 25 positioning" all season long? Newsflash DUMB DUMB: NO

As to your personal comments, they are so out of bounds and unfounded that they will not be individually addressed. Lets just say, this is an internet forum, and you dont know me from Adam. you dont know WHY I want to be a lawyer, why I go to the school I do, or what kind of lawyer I will be. The worst lawyers are those who make irrational assumptions, like the ones you just made about me because you dont even know me.

Who the fukk cares what law school you went to? Seton Hall costs $35k a year and I'm goin for free you ASS****. I'm sure you assume that because you went to a school down south its automatically better. A free ride always beats paying you dumb prick.

I have family and friends I care about here. I scored in the top 7% nationallly in my LSATS thats why I got a full ride here. I could have had my choice of 90% of the law schools nationally with that score and a NOTRE DAME DEGREE you dumb ****. STFU and stay out of my personal life
 

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Stocks, no offense but TTECH will never win the Nat Champ until they get a good Deffense, a new stadium, and a QB that is Heisman winner.....

Think about OSU....EVERY DAMN YEAR they have AWESOME DEFFENSE....They won a naty Champ recently, and prolly shoulda been playing Tex in the Rose Bowl....Now that there is no V young, No UNREAL RB from USC.....OSU same QB same offense, everyone that is over 300 pounds coming outta highschool wants to play Deffense for OSU....finding a good Deffense is easy if you have the right recruiters, coaching, and 300 pounders which it seems OSU doesn't have a problem finding.....But yes they will be tested....

NDU I think will be great so I won't get into that....

No way Oklahoma wins Naty Champ....just no way, but they will be underrated for a little while, but will jump to top 10....so I do like them sorta I guess....

What I'm surprised about is the fact that Miami with they're strong D, returning QB, and ability to produce fast players aren't up there....I think they will be a good slepper team but then again they could be a bust

My prediction....OSU meets NDU for a rivalry match in the rose bowl next year....OR WVU meets NDU....Just my 2 cents
 

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Stocks, no offense but TTECH will never win the Nat Champ until they get a good Deffense, a new stadium, and a QB that is Heisman winner.....

Think about OSU....EVERY DAMN YEAR they have AWESOME DEFFENSE....They won a naty Champ recently, and prolly shoulda been playing Tex in the Rose Bowl....Now that there is no V young, No UNREAL RB from USC.....OSU same QB same offense, everyone that is over 300 pounds coming outta highschool wants to play Deffense for OSU....finding a good Deffense is easy if you have the right recruiters, coaching, and 300 pounders which it seems OSU doesn't have a problem finding.....But yes they will be tested....

NDU I think will be great so I won't get into that....

No way Oklahoma wins Naty Champ....just no way, but they will be underrated for a little while, but will jump to top 10....so I do like them sorta I guess....

What I'm surprised about is the fact that Miami with they're strong D, returning QB, and ability to produce fast players aren't up there....I think they will be a good slepper team but then again they could be a bust

My prediction....OSU meets NDU for a rivalry match in the rose bowl next year....OR WVU meets NDU....Just my 2 cents

I definitely respect you stud, and your two NC matchups are very probable. I am all over WV AND ND next year, and you definitely know what your talking about, especially seeing that you won me some money last year with sleeper Navy.

But i have read in a few posts that OSU SHOULD have been playing Texas in the rose bowl this is ridiculous if you ask me. And i dont ever root for SC but cmon they didnt lose a game and were previous NC and they are going to play in the orange bowl because two teams with losses are in the rose bowl? No way. OSU wouldnt have been in the rose bowl after they lost to Texas, and then after Penn st. no way. OSU was a very good team last year and came on strong but they were anything but invinceable. They were 1 insane AND improbable play by Troy Smith away from losing to Michigan! Then they would have been a 3 loss team

And TT had a pretty good defense last year, i think they were 26 or 30th at end of the year. They arent losing too many players either and tell me if they dont beat Texas AND Oklahome and then win out they wont be in NC? I think they could win both those games if you gave them 10 trys at it. That is why i think they are a value at 100/1 i think they have about as good of shot as ASU who is 40 to 1 or Va Tech who is 30-1
 

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i think louisville may have some value as i believe they get wvu at home. lots of talent there and they could sneak in if there is only one undefeated major conf. team


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Louisville will lose that game....remeber Brohm is in rehab now...LVille will be good, but they are an up and down team....They lost my respect early last year with that pull out victory over Kentucky...>FREAKIN REDICULOUS.....But sure they will prolly beat teams like Pitt and S florida those type of teams....I just don't see anything spcecial but who know...I kinda see Ville being a little over rated....

Stocks: TTech will be good!!!!! Very good!!!! HOWEVER, there is no way they will win a National Title, they aren't that good...and until they get some big time players like the reggie bushes, vince youngs, and Larry Fitzgeralds wide outs In "MY" opinion if you bet 100 dollars to win that your flushing your money away....However, you'll prolly make more than 100 over the season so in a regard your definately right that it could be a bargain....

Stocks.......... it is not stretched too far by the imagination that if USC played in the Big 10 they would have probobly not have gone undefeated...... And I will say it till the cows come home....OSU should have beaten TEXAS IF IT WASN"T FOR MORON DROPPING THE BALL IN THE ENDZONEE!!!!!!!!!! And then that stupid fumble at the end.....What I'm trying to say is that those 3 teams are close in calibor....With both teams losing super stars (USC and TEX) and OSU losing Deffensive players, I "still" see OSU amonst the same calibor....

How I analyze teams is based on who they play mostly, and if I see them in action.....I just didn't see USC play that many GREAT quality teams and win in action.....We all saw what happend to Oregon when they played Oklahoma.....However, week in and weak out OSU performed against teams that were very very competitive.....

Its almost kinda like NFL betting on an NFC team Versus AFC in the superbowl, I just can't do it....NFC team has won, but to me usually its not the safest thing.....I dunno maybe I give OSU more respect than they deserve, but from my own experience(its much easier to produce talented Deffense) Get a 300 pounder with a great deal of Heart and motivation, suit him up and give the kid a scholarship and a great education....(however, you just cannot produce points outa things like passion----most good QB Wide outs, and offensive players are born......And from what I've read OSU really hasn't lost anyone on offense, which leads me to believe that they will make good defenders and live off of they're scrambling QB, which should put up points.......

2 years ago OSU played Mich, it was OSU QB that won the game flat out, not they're deffense although good, but honestly being the underdog in that won they absolutely were able to take over based on what he was able to do....

Take away V Young Tex doesn't have a Nat Championship.....I just don't think, "in college football" it is the hardest thing "if" you go to a Big time school like OSU to get the right defenders coming out of highschool........What's hard is to sign those 1 or 2 players that are difference makers..... And that's is why I think OSU will be prolly in the Rose Bowl with either NDU or WVU, maybe not even NDU but NDU will be good.. sorry for my long reply....

In the end we have both made eachother money, and I epect us to do the same next year bro....GL
 

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Good point about troy smith being the difference maker for OSU. I might have to put them in my top 5 at beginning of season for sure but like you said they play a tough Big 10 schedule. Another good point about SC in a big 10 schedule, all last year i said Big 10 best conference, and I think SC would have lost more than 1 game had they had to play Minn, Penn St, OSU, Mich, Mich St., Iowa - week in and week out. Anyway GL and look forward to winning money with ya next year, you hitting up the college bball forum much?
 

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Louisville may lose a game or two next season, but I don't think it will be WVU;

This year, or year past as it is now, They were up by 2 scores with 4 minutes left at WVU. The Mountaineers scored, leaving less then 2 minutes left and kicked an onside kick...

My memory is foggy right now as to the exact details, but I believe the WVU player hit the UofL player prior to anyone touching the ball -same guy was going up to grab the ball...anyway WVU got the ball after he went down, no penalty, they even reviewed it and still nothing. WVU goes on to tie up the game and win it in OT... Only days later did the Big East Officials release a statement admitting the officiating crew screwed up... Obviously Pitrino was pissed..

My point is, that will be in the minds of the coaches and players and will give them even more motivation to win that game.
 

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one factor that doesn't get much attention will be the 12 game schedule. teams from conferences that don't have a championship game (or independents) have two open dates to work with. teams from conferences with a championship game only have one open date.
 

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Good point about troy smith being the difference maker for OSU. I might have to put them in my top 5 at beginning of season for sure but like you said they play a tough Big 10 schedule. Another good point about SC in a big 10 schedule, all last year i said Big 10 best conference, and I think SC would have lost more than 1 game had they had to play Minn, Penn St, OSU, Mich, Mich St., Iowa - week in and week out. Anyway GL and look forward to winning money with ya next year, you hitting up the college bball forum much?


Yeah man you're on the money....lol OSU will be tested and we will see how it plays out....While on the west Coast you have big time players from a school like UCLA that could contest with USC, and USC will probobly find a way to cruise through the PAC 10 and still be ranked big time....

Tex Tech, if they can stay healthy on the wide outs, because that is they're game, everybody knows it.....will defiantely win us some money next year....But DAMN I HATE THEY"RE STADIUM.....Them and Boise compete for the ugliest stadiums....

As far as CBB goes...... Either I'm going to make at least a Grand today or I'm going to lose my ars..... This sunday has some unreal smashes!!!!! I've never seen more than today this season....GL bro, I'll catch you on the CBB board
 

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Louisville may lose a game or two next season, but I don't think it will be WVU;

This year, or year past as it is now, They were up by 2 scores with 4 minutes left at WVU. The Mountaineers scored, leaving less then 2 minutes left and kicked an onside kick...

My memory is foggy right now as to the exact details, but I believe the WVU player hit the UofL player prior to anyone touching the ball -same guy was going up to grab the ball...anyway WVU got the ball after he went down, no penalty, they even reviewed it and still nothing. WVU goes on to tie up the game and win it in OT... Only days later did the Big East Officials release a statement admitting the officiating crew screwed up... Obviously Pitrino was pissed..

My point is, that will be in the minds of the coaches and players and will give them even more motivation to win that game.

LOL THAT"S COMING FROM A VILLE FAN....your entitled to your opinion, but with WVU returning just about they're whole team and VTech stomping on them in the bowl, and WVU beating UGA, and VILLE last year, AND returning they're stud QB its highly unlikely bro......AS far as WVU prolly being a 7+ favorite, I will be all over WVU ML, but Ville may possibly cover.....GL VILLE FAN

This is just my opinion....BUT..........The money will prolly be on the OVER!!!!!
 
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Has anyone noticed how great this thread is without Scott? I think we have been able to discuss almost every team rather than just argue about USC.

So nice!
 
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