Australia at $1.30 seem too short to take first up. Might have to wait as the bookies seem to have Autralia too short - can't see any money for the Draw as the weather is clear for all three - soory five - days. Will be looking to back them when England win a session or two. Will be backing Stewart for Most England Runs as he has played a lot in Perth and looks like he is taking a positive approach with the bat. $9 or over seems value as Tudor will play and can bat to support him
3rd Test - Aust v Eng
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The 3rd Hammering...um...er...Test is here and I just don't know what to bet on without that genius tipping guru :hail british bullfrog coming in here to lay down his "profit" making wisdom!!! (just ask him and he'll tell ya)
.......aah stuff it. I can't be waiting all day.
I'm going back for some more Ponting over Martyn @$1.72
and some Lehmann over Waugh @$2.00
Staying away from haemorrhoid Hayden!!! ------->:moon: OUCH!!
.......aah stuff it. I can't be waiting all day.
I'm going back for some more Ponting over Martyn @$1.72
and some Lehmann over Waugh @$2.00
Staying away from haemorrhoid Hayden!!! ------->:moon: OUCH!!
Australia once again pick from a full squad where as Englands side resembles their third XI (especially their bowling). Vaughan plays but is only 80% fit and with the likes of Collingwood, Silverwood and Tudor the pommelling should continue.
Perth's pitch is reported to be the quickest it has been in the last dozen years, so no surprise Australia recall Brett Lee, reportably the fastest in the world which is very debatable. However, Lee has claimed 15 wickets in two tests at Perth at less than 20 runs per wicket.
Australia have managed to bowl England and Pakistan out in the last four tests for scores of 159, 79, 59, and 53 resulting in an innings victory on three occassions and 384 runs in the other.
The pitches wear rapidly in the southern hemisphere and the cracks on the pitch are large by day three.
I will wait to see who bats first with a view to the following bets.
England to lose by end of day 3 @ 9/4 (3.25)
England to lose by an innings @ 2/1 (3.00)
Sell lowest all out score 215 runs
Good luck to you all, I'll keep drinking the black coffee over the next few evenings waiting in anticipation of some kind of performance from England. Probably be waiting till the summer of 2004, yet I live in hope.
Perth's pitch is reported to be the quickest it has been in the last dozen years, so no surprise Australia recall Brett Lee, reportably the fastest in the world which is very debatable. However, Lee has claimed 15 wickets in two tests at Perth at less than 20 runs per wicket.
Australia have managed to bowl England and Pakistan out in the last four tests for scores of 159, 79, 59, and 53 resulting in an innings victory on three occassions and 384 runs in the other.
The pitches wear rapidly in the southern hemisphere and the cracks on the pitch are large by day three.
I will wait to see who bats first with a view to the following bets.
England to lose by end of day 3 @ 9/4 (3.25)
England to lose by an innings @ 2/1 (3.00)
Sell lowest all out score 215 runs
Good luck to you all, I'll keep drinking the black coffee over the next few evenings waiting in anticipation of some kind of performance from England. Probably be waiting till the summer of 2004, yet I live in hope.
Caddick is unfit and Hoggard has been dropped.
England's team
Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Hussain
Key
Stewart
White
Tudor
Dawson
Silverwood
Harminson
England's team
Trescothick
Vaughan
Butcher
Hussain
Key
Stewart
White
Tudor
Dawson
Silverwood
Harminson
Just what was needed, England batting first for placement of bets.
If Australia had batted first they would bat till they reached 600+ runs, somewhere between tea and close of play on day 2. For the bet to win within three days to be successful, England would have to be all out twice in just over a day. Very possible the way the series has gone, but not a certainity.
By England batting first, Australia have done what they needed to do and should bat till 30 minutes left on day 2 when the scoreboard will read nearly450. God that scoreboard was spinning round like a fruit machine for the last 20 overs.
This leaves the Aussies a day to wrap up the test and the Ashes.
At least I can get some sleep then.
If Australia had batted first they would bat till they reached 600+ runs, somewhere between tea and close of play on day 2. For the bet to win within three days to be successful, England would have to be all out twice in just over a day. Very possible the way the series has gone, but not a certainity.
By England batting first, Australia have done what they needed to do and should bat till 30 minutes left on day 2 when the scoreboard will read nearly450. God that scoreboard was spinning round like a fruit machine for the last 20 overs.
This leaves the Aussies a day to wrap up the test and the Ashes.
At least I can get some sleep then.
What do you Aussies think ?
My views.
Once again the knives have been stabbing on the English cricketers from the press to the tv presenters. The lack of quality of player in our country has once again reared its ugly head. Only a few players will come out of this tour with any credit, those being Vaughan, Jones, Harmison.
I feel the route of the problem is not that our players lack quality, but what faith and belief they have is taken away from them by our selectors and management. Last year England took two keepers on tour to India and New Zealand, leaving the old man Stewart at home, yet come the summer one of the original two is injured and Stewart is recalled without the other guy getting a chance. We know what Stewart can do and its got to the stage of what little he can do now.
Once more the selectors mess up sending a tour party to Oz containing six players injured or returning from operations. Of those six only two have played. We send a replacement for Gough, Silverwood's his name. Guess what?, this guy had ankle problems at the end of the season. He goes straight in the test team with no match practice and breaks down within 2 overs. SOUND MANAGEMENT THAT IS.
Our selectors are scared of making changes, yet to those with any knowledge of the game can see we are standing still while others are moving further away. I will say this though and for once the Australian selectors have blundered. Lehman is not a test batsman. He has failed against the worst bowling attack I have seen in many a year, and if you are honest with yourselfs, you would agree that it is a weak attack. With the strength of the Aussie batting line up, a young lad could have been blooded. I hear there's a 23 year old lad from Brisbane whose very handy. Perhaps you can confirm this.
Hussain is always on the bowlers back, every two or three balls, his decission making defies belief at times and his batting !, well enough said there.
Of the bowlers, it's time Gough (to injury prone), Caddick (cant bowl basic line and length which contains and frustrates batsman), and Flintoff (cant bat and now lacks 2-3 yards of pace).
The batting fails on a regular basis. The middle order is shambolic and the tail hasn't wagged for many a year.
WHAT IS THE AUSSIE PRESS VIEW ON THIS.
It should be time to blood new players, not one or two but six or seven. The present players are no better so why not give the fringe players a chance. Not one or two games as is the norm here in England but say ten matches. From the present crop on tour the only batsman I would keep are Vaughan (even he would get in the Aussie team), Trescothick and Key.
We have three young bowlers who all bowl in excess of 90 mph, Jones, Harmison and Anderson. This threesome would all be in the top eight in the world for speed. We do lack a world class spinner, however no one comes close to Warne, not even what the Indians or Sri Lankians have to offer.
The difference between the Australia and England are Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist (for his batting), Warne Gillispe, and McGrath. Langer, Martyn, Lehman, and Waugh are no better than Trescothick, Vaughan and Hussain. What I will say is that Waugh is a great Captain tactically, but life is far easier for him when he has class bowlers that have 900 wickets between them.
Please submit your comments.
My views.
Once again the knives have been stabbing on the English cricketers from the press to the tv presenters. The lack of quality of player in our country has once again reared its ugly head. Only a few players will come out of this tour with any credit, those being Vaughan, Jones, Harmison.
I feel the route of the problem is not that our players lack quality, but what faith and belief they have is taken away from them by our selectors and management. Last year England took two keepers on tour to India and New Zealand, leaving the old man Stewart at home, yet come the summer one of the original two is injured and Stewart is recalled without the other guy getting a chance. We know what Stewart can do and its got to the stage of what little he can do now.
Once more the selectors mess up sending a tour party to Oz containing six players injured or returning from operations. Of those six only two have played. We send a replacement for Gough, Silverwood's his name. Guess what?, this guy had ankle problems at the end of the season. He goes straight in the test team with no match practice and breaks down within 2 overs. SOUND MANAGEMENT THAT IS.
Our selectors are scared of making changes, yet to those with any knowledge of the game can see we are standing still while others are moving further away. I will say this though and for once the Australian selectors have blundered. Lehman is not a test batsman. He has failed against the worst bowling attack I have seen in many a year, and if you are honest with yourselfs, you would agree that it is a weak attack. With the strength of the Aussie batting line up, a young lad could have been blooded. I hear there's a 23 year old lad from Brisbane whose very handy. Perhaps you can confirm this.
Hussain is always on the bowlers back, every two or three balls, his decission making defies belief at times and his batting !, well enough said there.
Of the bowlers, it's time Gough (to injury prone), Caddick (cant bowl basic line and length which contains and frustrates batsman), and Flintoff (cant bat and now lacks 2-3 yards of pace).
The batting fails on a regular basis. The middle order is shambolic and the tail hasn't wagged for many a year.
WHAT IS THE AUSSIE PRESS VIEW ON THIS.
It should be time to blood new players, not one or two but six or seven. The present players are no better so why not give the fringe players a chance. Not one or two games as is the norm here in England but say ten matches. From the present crop on tour the only batsman I would keep are Vaughan (even he would get in the Aussie team), Trescothick and Key.
We have three young bowlers who all bowl in excess of 90 mph, Jones, Harmison and Anderson. This threesome would all be in the top eight in the world for speed. We do lack a world class spinner, however no one comes close to Warne, not even what the Indians or Sri Lankians have to offer.
The difference between the Australia and England are Hayden, Ponting, Gilchrist (for his batting), Warne Gillispe, and McGrath. Langer, Martyn, Lehman, and Waugh are no better than Trescothick, Vaughan and Hussain. What I will say is that Waugh is a great Captain tactically, but life is far easier for him when he has class bowlers that have 900 wickets between them.
Please submit your comments.
What a great series for betting.
All three plays won in 3rd test resulting in 34.25 points profit.
Profit from 2nd test of 12.86 points
Total profit 47.11 points X ?100 = ? 4,711 profit.
Added to this are the anti post wagers of;
Australia to win series 3-0, 4-0, 5-0
Hayden / Martyn top Australian bat
Vaughan / Hussain top English bat
McGrath top Aussie bowler
at present Australia lead 3-0
Hayden top bat
Vaughan top bat
McGrath top bowler
You must admit, this is not a bad set of results.
You can come on here and sledge me but my results have done the talking. Pawaqatsi, you make a sarcastic comment about the tipping guru british bullfrog, well you should of waited as I see you went 0-2 for another loss.
By the way its bulldog not bullfrog you buffoon.
All three plays won in 3rd test resulting in 34.25 points profit.
Profit from 2nd test of 12.86 points
Total profit 47.11 points X ?100 = ? 4,711 profit.
Added to this are the anti post wagers of;
Australia to win series 3-0, 4-0, 5-0
Hayden / Martyn top Australian bat
Vaughan / Hussain top English bat
McGrath top Aussie bowler
at present Australia lead 3-0
Hayden top bat
Vaughan top bat
McGrath top bowler
You must admit, this is not a bad set of results.
You can come on here and sledge me but my results have done the talking. Pawaqatsi, you make a sarcastic comment about the tipping guru british bullfrog, well you should of waited as I see you went 0-2 for another loss.
By the way its bulldog not bullfrog you buffoon.
Good work Bulldog!!
The only high points of what is a very disappointing series to date!
Roll on the One Dayers!!
The only high points of what is a very disappointing series to date!
Roll on the One Dayers!!
This Australian team is easilty the best for the last decade. England should not throw the baby out with the bath water, They have built a solid record over the last two years. This summer they have had their bowling attck decimated. Losing Gough, Giles, Flintoff and even Caddick has created a huge hole.
Take Mcgrath, Warne and Gillespie out and the Australian attack would be Lee (quick but has no brain), MacGill (can't bowl well in the 1st Inns), Williams (see Lee) and Noffke(Steady but no world beater).
Even the English batting order would make runs against that line up.
Australia have a great batting lineup but they are not that good , ask NZ
Take Mcgrath, Warne and Gillespie out and the Australian attack would be Lee (quick but has no brain), MacGill (can't bowl well in the 1st Inns), Williams (see Lee) and Noffke(Steady but no world beater).
Even the English batting order would make runs against that line up.
Australia have a great batting lineup but they are not that good , ask NZ
Pumpkin I respect your thoughts and yes Australia have a great team. The spirit and morale is very high. I see you are in agreement with me bowlers wise. Yet although England have performed well over last two years we have still had regular batting collapses, admittly not on the scale of the last three tests.
We were put in our place by the Aussies eighteen months ago, a tour to India (lost 1-0), a draw with New Zealand (1-1). Then our last summer a win over Sri Lanka followed by a poor showing against India.
Now I know India are hard to beat on the sub continent, but we should be able to beat the likes of Sri Lanka and India at home convincingly, but we don't.
I personnally feel our cricket is way below the level required to compete on a reasonable level.
Thanks for your post, most appreciated.
We were put in our place by the Aussies eighteen months ago, a tour to India (lost 1-0), a draw with New Zealand (1-1). Then our last summer a win over Sri Lanka followed by a poor showing against India.
Now I know India are hard to beat on the sub continent, but we should be able to beat the likes of Sri Lanka and India at home convincingly, but we don't.
I personnally feel our cricket is way below the level required to compete on a reasonable level.
Thanks for your post, most appreciated.
I would like to see Australia play a Sri Lanka in Sri lanka with both teams at the full power. This would be a fantastic series as over the last 7 or so years only New Zealand and Sri Lanka seem to have the ability to get up the Australians noses.
Waugh's men have so much confidence in themselves that they feel that the have to score at 4 runs per over and win within 3-4 days. This is their weakness. Stephen Fleming showed that you don't have to be scared of the Aussies strengths. Attack them and they will falter.
How about this for a world XI to play the Aussies
Gibbs
Vaughan
Fleming (c)
Lara
Tendulkar
Kallis
A.Flower
S.Pollock
C.Vaas
W.Younis
M.Muralitharan
D.Vettori (12th Man)
Waugh's men have so much confidence in themselves that they feel that the have to score at 4 runs per over and win within 3-4 days. This is their weakness. Stephen Fleming showed that you don't have to be scared of the Aussies strengths. Attack them and they will falter.
How about this for a world XI to play the Aussies
Gibbs
Vaughan
Fleming (c)
Lara
Tendulkar
Kallis
A.Flower
S.Pollock
C.Vaas
W.Younis
M.Muralitharan
D.Vettori (12th Man)
Congrats on a fine series so far!!!!
I guess that when you "sports bet for a living", you need these good times to balance out the lean times (i.e October) to keep bread on the table (for the little tadpoles!) and the wolves from the door.
I myself can survive dropping "action" plays that are more to relieve the boredom of a dead one-sided test series than to keep the power of my air-con running!!! I have more on any given MNF game. Thanks for your concern though.....(and I'll be sure to check in with your lively "community pages" too)
As for your comment about Vaughan being good enough to be in the Aussie team :nono: I think you've had one too many shandys!! Would seriously doubt he could make our 'A' side with such a wealth of batting talent waiting in the Aussie wings.
Now I remember posting a few weeks back that this England side is one of the worst Test teams in the world and some of you wanted to argue. At this point in time with its current "district grade" standard of performances this summer, would any of you care to go on??
Bring on the one dayers......Perhaps Zambia or Bangladesh will come out here for the series and give the English team a level to strive for!!!!!
............and bullfrog.......don't go losing that terrific british sense of humour on us!!!! 'no wo ay mean guv??
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Pumpkin not abad international XI
If I had to make any changes it would be as follows;
AQTAR for Younis. The quickest bowler in World cricket, yet possible suspect to chucking.
UL HAQ for Lara. Much of a much but over last two years Ulhaq has preformed the better. On his day Lara is a genius but that was several years ago.
These are only thoughts though.
Pawaqatsi, you are correct that you need good times to cover the bad times. I have lost for several months at a time, but I know that over the course of a year I will win. Last year I won over 300 points @ ?80 a point, thats ?24,000 per year. I dont know the exchange rate with Australian $, but I should think that its in the region of 1.5$:1.0?.
You comment about October, yet I produced over 12 points profit. My stakes are ?100 per point at present, so the last two months have made me over ?6,000 which is twice the amount I and my family require to live on for that period.
I dont know if you have to declare betting profits as additional income in Australia for tax purposes, I know you do in USA, but here in Brittain I dont pay taxes to the government so what I win is nett. If I was to win ?30,000 next year I would have to have a job that would pay me ?45,000 gross. The average wage here in Brittain is ?350 per week gross (before any deductions for taxes) which is just over ?18,000 per annum. So as you can see I do very well thank you (2.5 X average wage). I am not extravagant, in fact I am probably quite conservative with our money. What I do make sure of however is that my wife and three children are well taken care of and that my life and pension funds are well funded for when I am no longer around.
Good luck with your plays, and I look forward to your Aussie rules selections next year as I hear this is your forte.
Finally, Vaughan is good enough to play for Australia, he is by far a better bat than Martyn or Lehman and probably on a par with Langer who is going through a lean patch right now. How many would the first two guys make facing McGrath, Gilispie and Warne on a regular basis.
If I had to make any changes it would be as follows;
AQTAR for Younis. The quickest bowler in World cricket, yet possible suspect to chucking.
UL HAQ for Lara. Much of a much but over last two years Ulhaq has preformed the better. On his day Lara is a genius but that was several years ago.
These are only thoughts though.
Pawaqatsi, you are correct that you need good times to cover the bad times. I have lost for several months at a time, but I know that over the course of a year I will win. Last year I won over 300 points @ ?80 a point, thats ?24,000 per year. I dont know the exchange rate with Australian $, but I should think that its in the region of 1.5$:1.0?.
You comment about October, yet I produced over 12 points profit. My stakes are ?100 per point at present, so the last two months have made me over ?6,000 which is twice the amount I and my family require to live on for that period.
I dont know if you have to declare betting profits as additional income in Australia for tax purposes, I know you do in USA, but here in Brittain I dont pay taxes to the government so what I win is nett. If I was to win ?30,000 next year I would have to have a job that would pay me ?45,000 gross. The average wage here in Brittain is ?350 per week gross (before any deductions for taxes) which is just over ?18,000 per annum. So as you can see I do very well thank you (2.5 X average wage). I am not extravagant, in fact I am probably quite conservative with our money. What I do make sure of however is that my wife and three children are well taken care of and that my life and pension funds are well funded for when I am no longer around.
Good luck with your plays, and I look forward to your Aussie rules selections next year as I hear this is your forte.
Finally, Vaughan is good enough to play for Australia, he is by far a better bat than Martyn or Lehman and probably on a par with Langer who is going through a lean patch right now. How many would the first two guys make facing McGrath, Gilispie and Warne on a regular basis.
