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Senor Capper

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Just got my wifes statement and she lost her butt. Guess I have always been so involved in mine that I failed to keep hers up to date, so to speak.
Anyone having even "2 cents" are welcomed to reply....

Thanks in advance

~~~Lanny
 

rrc

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Think it's time for some blue chips a la GE or Citigroup maybe a little AOL. Or take a look at some good solid mutual funds such as Tweedy Browne Global Value or Tweedy Browne American Value they been throwing out solid returns for more years than some of these younger money managers have been alive.Also take a look at Legg Mason Value Trust run by Bill Miller, he's out-performed the S & P for more consecutive years than any other mutual fund manager. Hope this helps, good luck.
 

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I would highly suggest some mid-cap mutual funds. Do a little research and check out the following:

Calamos Growth A or C
White Oak Growth
Needham Growth Fund

All have over 20+% growth per year for the past 5 years. All are excellent and 5* by Morningstar.

I would highly suggest not putting your 401K in individual stocks.
 

rrc

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A little more info... from the front page of today's WSJ, " analysts estimates say that operating profits for the S & P 500 companies declined 9%in the quarter ended March 31 from the previous year. If these estimates hold up it will be the sharpest drop since the 90-91 recession. Second qurter estimates are expected to drop 7% and 3rd qtr outlook while still barely positive, is rapidly deteriorating." Translation : there's no big hurry, things are not going to turn around on a dime.....However, even having said all that I do think that Citi, GE,Aol,Mrk and MO are good values at these levels....Good luck.... Love White Oak Growth as mentioned in previous post

[This message has been edited by rrc (edited 04-17-2001).]
 

rrc

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Bonovox, quick question-why would you not want any individual stocks in a 401k? Thanks.
 

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Several reasons:

First of all, we have a long road ahead until recovery -- blue chips as well as tech. My best example is GE. Yeah, they came out with 15% net growth, but with a top line growth of 3%. In english, their profits were up 15% from their previous quarter, but their revenues were only up 3%. GE has by far the best management in the world -- but they only grew by cutting, not by increased revenues. You can only trim the fat so many times before you run out of fat.

We are going to see several more quarters of companies missing numbers worse than expected. Look at Cisco today, I warned all my buddies not to buy it, but they insisted to buy at 20 and then at 18 and then at 15.

I personally wouldn't touch AOL with a million-foot pole. Citigroup, well, not a big fan of financials right now. They just lowered revenue estimates yesterday, so it may be a good spot. But with First Union buying Wachovia, I'd watch out -- last time First Union bought someone they dragged the whole sector down.

Second, and most importantly, most of us aren't in the position to be buying stocks. Your 401k is long-term, that's the benefit of the tax laws. I am of the strong opinion to pay my 2% in fees to let a professional manage my money for the long term. When I have some money on the side, I invest in individual stocks. For instance, I love WDC right now. I bought it at 3.25 3 weeks ago and its now at 5.24 and ready for a rocket ride. They are 2 quarters from breaking even and if they do, it's a $9 stock. But for a long-term portfolio, I leave it to a professional.

I know all the numbers, in fact, I recently just did a matrix on Intel. I realize that Intel grows at an average of 25% a year, and that Cisco has done the same. But it's going to be an ugly, ugly road for a while. Wall St is cutting back by 30%, we are all preparing for a 2 year recovery.

Last, the best benefit of mutual funds is their balance. I would choose one that can go long and short - which is why I like Calamos and Needham. Whichever way the market goes, you're protected.

I know I've babbled on, but this is the bottom line: If you can get 10% in the next year, you are WAY ahead of the game. It's my opinion that individual stocks may get you there, but even blue chips are struggling: Disney, Coke, etc. Even J&J didn't meet the numbers most were expecting. Good professional managers know how to get the returns in even the worst markets. Mutual funds can short, put money in cash, bonds, etc. Your 401k is your future, I don't like to risk it in this market -- not until we see a real upturn, like in 3Q '02.
 

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Senor,

Since you are trading in a 401k you could always just go into a money market account until the dust settles. You won't have to pay any income taxes and most 401k's have a money market option. Current yields are around 6%. Then if and when you think the markets are more stable, go back into stocks. Just a suggestion my friend.

Skinar
 

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lanny

the only thing i would consider in the market, as a long term strategy, would be mutual fund that buys the s & p index.

forget about the funds that run up huge gains and then fall flat on their faces. you just can't get a better representation of the market than that.


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I must say one thing Senor. Your wife lost her money on paper only. Once you cash or trade to another fund its is a true loose. Plus what says the next fund she trys will do any better. If the fund she is in was a good one to start with. It will be good again when things start to turn end of this year early next. Im out on paper to. I sure as hell will leave it that way. I may even cost average a little back at it. But cash in no way jose. I may even start another fund to. However I do not want to many going. I have four Im in now. Five will be max if I do it. You start to see same stock in many of the funds.
 

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