A question for the Democrats here

[Snake Plissken]

Would the discovery of WMD in Iraq change your feelings toward the war in Iraq?


On a side note tonight on the History Channel they had a show on Saddam, very interesting. One thing that really stood out to me was when President Clinton found out that Saddam tried to kill the first President Bush he ordered that we bomb Saddam.
That you HAVE to respect because here they are huge rivals, political enemies you know there was bad blood between them and Clinton puts that aside and does the right thing and gives Saddam a kick in the ass. To me that was great because it says we are on the same team and someone f*cks with you I got your back.

 

[TonyTT]

Snake,

I'm not so sure that there was as much "bad blood" between old man Bush and Clinton as you mention. There's been so much written over the years about the BARRY SEAL, MENA ARKANSAS, BUSH, CLINTON connection that I feel there must be something to that story. I also found it pretty odd that the Bush family and the Harriman family go wayyyy back...( Prescott Bush was a big shot in the Brown Brothers Harriman firm many decades ago). Yet, Pamela Harriman was the one that brought Clinton to prominance.
No doubt those two are on the "same team" as you mentioned..both are members of the CFR and Trilateral Comm.

TT

 

[Blitz]

Re: A question for the Democrats here

Would the discovery of WMD in Iraq change your feelings toward the war in Iraq?

If any turns up now, the Dems will say it was planted....

 

[ocelot]

If Democrats said that it would not wash as if there were to be a plant it would've happened long before now.

(And I plan on voting Dem by the way)

 

[shamrock]

you would think by now more people could vote for the individual and his/her thoughts and ideals, rather than checking right down one side of the ticket like their Daddy did.

Best
shamrock

 

[AR182]

shamrock quote:"you would think by now more people could vote for the individual and his/her thoughts and ideals, rather than checking right down one side of the ticket like their Daddy did."


this is one of my biggest complaints about politics. no matter what, people stick up for the representatives for their party.

 

[djv]

My vote will have nothing to do with Iraq Period. We have had all the pros and cons on that beat to death. Both sides of that argument have there good and bad reasons. I will not vote based on I should be scared of every shadow. Afgan war a big thumbs up from me as one right thing we did. However alittle p'd becasue we pulled troops out way to early befor job was completed. Now were going back in stronger. Should have been that way all along.
My vote will be based on issues that have to get handle better then they are right now. Deficit Spending, Our Borders wide open, health care, S/S system relooked at. Drugs Prices. Energy policy other then just drill and drill some more. Unemployed that cost all of us. In fact you talk about putting folks back to work. How about a energy policy that creates jobs. How about those 250 bridges that need fixing. Our roads so many places are for chit. Clean air for our kids and grand kids. I mean if we wish to worry just about terroest. Thats fine. But that don't do chit for what our country really needs. War and terror has been with us for a few 100 years. To say were going to end it in next 10/15 or even 50 years is BS. And to just keep saying over and over. I gave you tax cut. Well does little for me. Im still waiting for that.
I think Kerry may have a good idea. Instead of all the BS adds were getting right now. Pick one subject per month. Bush and Kerry get TV time to argue it. I would guess with just one subject each time 1/2 hour should be enough. If they cant each explain there part of it inless then 15 minutes each. Well were all in trouble. They have 8 months to election. Eight good issues. We at least would see the differance. These adds tell me nothing.

 

[ocelot]

Republicans ALWAYS run from debating the real issues. George Sr ran and so does Junior.

 

[Blitz]

My vote will have nothing to do with Iraq Period.

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[gardenweasel]

i agree completely

i agree completely

with shamrock and ar1.........independent thinkers are a very scarce commodity......

i guess that`s why i enjoy chris matthews......and i have to say,i watched dennis miller`s show last night for the first time....and although he`s obviously conservative,he doesn`t always walk in lockstep with the party line.....and he has many liberal guests that provide excellent and opposite views on many issues.....he sort of a "fairer" bill maher....and he`s funny...

 

[djv]

Hey even O'rilley has stepped over the line and started asking tougher questions. Said he is a independent thinker. Thats new for him.

 

[insider]

Re: A question for the Democrats here

Would the discovery of WMD in Iraq change your feelings toward the war in Iraq?

No dems have anwered the ? yet.


Odds more then 2 dems will answer the ?, +400.

 

[SixFive]

Re: A question for the Democrats here

Would the discovery of WMD in Iraq change your feelings toward the war in Iraq?

no, but I think our action over there was just already, wmd or not. Don't keyhole all Democrats into left wing liberals, I'm far from that. Have to be registered Democrat around here to be able to vote in the local primary races.

 

[AR182]

gw,

have been a dennis miller fan for awhile. i wouldn't call him a conservative. more of an independent. he was a liberal all the way until 9/11. he is still liberal on some issues (ie-gay marriages)but likes bush because he likes the way he is handling the war on terrorism.

 

[ctownguy]

GW, what dennis miller were you watching. I'm surprised he is coming across as a conservative. The last time I saw him, except for being behind the present admin on the war, he was still sounding very left wing to me.

What has he changed on besides the war???:shrug:

 

[kosar]

Re: Re: A question for the Democrats here

Re: Re: A question for the Democrats here

No dems have anwered the ? yet.


Odds more then 2 dems will answer the ?, +400.

Insider, I didn't bother with this thread since I have repeatedly and consistently (since before the war started) made a point to say that no matter what is or what isn't found, it doesn't , wouldn't and will not affect my opinion. How's that? It was a flimsy excuse to begin with and not finding anything makes it just a bit flimsier, I would say.

How about this? If we never find anything there, does it change your (and anybodys) opinion on this war? I'd be kind of shocked if it didn't, because after you get past the supposed WMD's, the justifications for this occupation get pretty thin.

So how about it, Insider and other war supporters. If we never find anything, would it make you less gung-ho about this thing?

 

[Penguinfan]

Republicans ALWAYS run from debating the real issues. George Sr ran and so does Junior.

As opposed to Democrats who have no problem debating the issues, they just have to wait to see what side the Republicans are on so they can go the other direction reguardless of the facts.

Penguinfan

 

[IntenseOperator]

Re: i agree completely

Re: i agree completely

with shamrock and ar1.........independent thinkers are a very scarce commodity......

i guess that`s why i enjoy chris matthews......and i have to say,i watched dennis miller`s show last night for the first time....and although he`s obviously conservative,he doesn`t always walk in lockstep with the party line.....and he has many liberal guests that provide excellent and opposite views on many issues.....he sort of a "fairer" bill maher....and he`s funny...

Bill Maher=F'n Obnoxious

 

[AR182]

kosar quote:"How about this? If we never find anything there, does it change your (and anybodys) opinion on this war? I'd be kind of shocked if it didn't, because after you get past the supposed WMD's, the justifications for this occupation get pretty thin.

So how about it, Insider and other war supporters. If we never find anything, would it make you less gung-ho about this thing?"

kosar, my friend i will take a shot.


first of all, i really believe that iraq had wmd. i can't imagine a psychopath like saddam not having or not attempting to purchase any type of wmd. he seemed like the type of leader who needed to have the wmd's so he could throw his weight around to the other countries in his neighborhood. israeli intelligence from day1 has said that iraq's wmd were shipped to the backa (sp?) valley in syria. also the day of the invasion a few trucks were seen leaving iraq for syria. i would love to know what were in those trucks. i have no idea why we are not pursuing these two stories.

now to answer your question-

i tend to believe the ex-cia head (whoolsley ?) who testified at a 9/11 trial in nyc where people were suiing saddam for being involved with 9/11. he said that iraq was used as a training ground for hijackers, & may have helped train the 9/11 hijackers. he stated his reason for believing this was the body of a passenger plane that was found in iraq & his belief that some of the hijackers were spotted in iraq right before 9/11.

binladen's right hand man was known to have fled to iraq, during the afghan war, to have his leg amputated. saddam should have handed the terrorist over to the u.s. instead of aiding him.

another reason that i have no problem with this invasion is that saddam tried to assasinate bush sr. we cannot allow other nations get away with trying to kill our leaders, whether it's a dem or rep.

i'm sure that you will disagree, but this is what i believe.

 

[djv]

Saddam was going to kill Bush senior. When we see his abilities were so weak. I dont see how he would have pulled that off. As Hans Blix said. Cheney and Bush mostley Cheney said we had to go get those WMD. Even though they new most if not all were destroyed in 1991 and 1998 and 2001. You new there was something wrong with how they really fealt about the threat to Bush Senior. Why? When they offerd Saddam to stay in power if he would turn over his WMD. Something is wrong with there idea if they know the weapons were gone.
No I dont change my mind no matter what they find there. Why? Because we had a job to finish in afgan. And the real bastard was there. At least we are told they believe Bin is hideing there. Saddam and his flint stone run for your life army was ripe for plucking anytime we fealt he was a real threat.