Pawa, I heard that the dons picked up Murphy and lost McGrath and that you guys lost Morrell. Were there any big shocks and how did you guys[roos] get shafted?
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Fair enough! Would be great to see you out there taking some grabs in the blue and white striped guernsey next year kick. All the best with it mate.
How's things, bomber.
I think I'm probably most qualified to explain (alright...GLOAT!) about PAWA's pain.
As I'm sure you know, Jade Rawlings left Hawthorn with the intention of going to the Kanga's.
(Hawks wouldn't offer a 3 year deal....Geelong did....then Kanga's offered $30k a year more....then suddenly Jade 'wanted to play with his brother!')
Anyway....Kanga's would only offer up 2 draft picks for him, and Hawthorn had said all along that they would require a 'replacement' type player.
Here's where the Doggies step in. (Although, probably technically against the 'spirit' of trading, I reckon it's one tremendously worked out, intelligently handled deals I've ever seen!)
We offer pick 6 to the Hawks (which we got from Richmond in a 3-way deal involving Peter Street and Nathan Brown) for that well known, highly talented (maybe!) first year player Lochlan Veale.
Hawthorn then shift that pick 6 off to Essendon in a swap for Danny Jacobs. We also give Essendon Mark Alvey. (Basically as a sweetener...but also so the Bombers get a draft pick instead of going after Koops.)
So, on the surface.....
Dogs give pick 6, gain Veale. (And Koops in a round about fashion!...Although it cost us pick # 19 also.)
Ess give Jacobs, gain pick 6 and Alvey
Hawks give Veale, gain Jacobs.
But, in reality, by insuring the Hawks get Jacobs it means Rawlings has no choice but to nominate for the pre-season draft (due to salary cap restrictions), and of course the Dogs have pick # 1
A lot of people (including PAWA, no doubt) are upset because of perceived manipulation, effectively 'feezing out' the Kanga's from Rawlings...but 2 factors were at work.
1) As I said, Hawks wanted a player, not draft picks.
2) A deal was almost done......
.....And I quote: "The offer of pick 9 and 24 was to Essendon really. They were going to then give Bolton to Hawthorn and [the Kanga's] would receive Rawlings.
The deal collapsed because Essendon sunddenly decided that Bolton was worth 2 first round picks.
After this Sheedy then decided that Bolton was actually needed and that Jacobs could go....as long as the neccarssary though unreasonable 2 first round selections were received.
North Melbourne never had a hope of finding another high selection so the Dogs entered the picture with pick 6 and Alvey which Sheeds of course accepted."
That isn't strictly true, because as I said earlier, Steven Koops was in the mix also......
But there you go mate.....Hope that all makes sense
I think I'm probably most qualified to explain (alright...GLOAT!
) about PAWA's pain.As I'm sure you know, Jade Rawlings left Hawthorn with the intention of going to the Kanga's.
(Hawks wouldn't offer a 3 year deal....Geelong did....then Kanga's offered $30k a year more....then suddenly Jade 'wanted to play with his brother!'
)Anyway....Kanga's would only offer up 2 draft picks for him, and Hawthorn had said all along that they would require a 'replacement' type player.
Here's where the Doggies step in. (Although, probably technically against the 'spirit' of trading, I reckon it's one tremendously worked out, intelligently handled deals I've ever seen!)
We offer pick 6 to the Hawks (which we got from Richmond in a 3-way deal involving Peter Street and Nathan Brown) for that well known, highly talented (maybe!) first year player Lochlan Veale.
Hawthorn then shift that pick 6 off to Essendon in a swap for Danny Jacobs. We also give Essendon Mark Alvey. (Basically as a sweetener...but also so the Bombers get a draft pick instead of going after Koops.)
So, on the surface.....
Dogs give pick 6, gain Veale. (And Koops in a round about fashion!...Although it cost us pick # 19 also.)
Ess give Jacobs, gain pick 6 and Alvey
Hawks give Veale, gain Jacobs.
But, in reality, by insuring the Hawks get Jacobs it means Rawlings has no choice but to nominate for the pre-season draft (due to salary cap restrictions), and of course the Dogs have pick # 1
A lot of people (including PAWA, no doubt
) are upset because of perceived manipulation, effectively 'feezing out' the Kanga's from Rawlings...but 2 factors were at work.1) As I said, Hawks wanted a player, not draft picks.
2) A deal was almost done......
.....And I quote: "The offer of pick 9 and 24 was to Essendon really. They were going to then give Bolton to Hawthorn and [the Kanga's] would receive Rawlings.
The deal collapsed because Essendon sunddenly decided that Bolton was worth 2 first round picks.
After this Sheedy then decided that Bolton was actually needed and that Jacobs could go....as long as the neccarssary though unreasonable 2 first round selections were received.
North Melbourne never had a hope of finding another high selection so the Dogs entered the picture with pick 6 and Alvey which Sheeds of course accepted."
That isn't strictly true, because as I said earlier, Steven Koops was in the mix also......
But there you go mate.....Hope that all makes sense
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http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=124461
That is the AFL page which tells of all movements. (I think!)
That is the AFL page which tells of all movements. (I think!)
North's offer was one of, if not the lowest to Rawlings and it was being able to play along side of his younger brother that made him choose North as his preferred club. Along with the fact that the other clubs begging for his services ( Western Bulldogs, Melbourne and Geelong) are too busy propping up the bottom end of the ladder!! :thefinger
Hawthorn screwed Jade for choosing to leave them (should have offered him a 3 yr deal!) and made bugger all attempts to truely get him to the club of his choice. Now he will probably nominate a price of $600-$800k for a season which will cripple the Doggies even further financially even if they could fit him into their 'cap'. if he is forced to go there, he will probably do a 'Buckley' and bail out after a year and go to a more prefered club.
You know he won't go peacefully Christo :nono: You guys have put him over the barrel and he ain't too happy!!!
"You can lead a horse to water............"
YOU BASTARDS
Added to this, bloody Mckernan is coming back to North after 2 years at the Blues.
I said we should have changed the locks after we traded him away last time.:cursin:
:cuss: :142crying :cuss:
....mumble.....mumble....mumble..........
Hawthorn screwed Jade for choosing to leave them (should have offered him a 3 yr deal!) and made bugger all attempts to truely get him to the club of his choice. Now he will probably nominate a price of $600-$800k for a season which will cripple the Doggies even further financially even if they could fit him into their 'cap'. if he is forced to go there, he will probably do a 'Buckley' and bail out after a year and go to a more prefered club.
You know he won't go peacefully Christo :nono: You guys have put him over the barrel and he ain't too happy!!!
"You can lead a horse to water............"
YOU BASTARDS
Added to this, bloody Mckernan is coming back to North after 2 years at the Blues.
I said we should have changed the locks after we traded him away last time.:cursin:
:cuss: :142crying :cuss:
....mumble.....mumble....mumble..........
Sorry, PAWA. We have plenty of cap space. The full 100% this year, up from the bare 92.5% last season.
While it is possible for him to do just that, it is highly unlikely. Since wanting a 3 year deal started all this in the first place, he (and his manager!) would be insane to push a one year deal with the risk of injury ahead.
Fact is, even if he tries to pull that trick, he can only ask for what the Kanga's would be willing to pay anyway, which the Doggies can, and will, top.
Pretty sure you will find that North did, in fact, offer more than Geelong tho PAWA
One point??....Why would you offer the Hawks only draft picks, but then off-load Morrell and Teague to get McKernan back
Sorry mate....honestly feel your pain there.
kickserv said:don't worry PAWA.........read in the paper that this kickserv guy is for real....look out for him
:lol2 LMAO kick......Would prefer you to McKernan!!!
So you believe this frogsh*t that the hawks are spouting?? They are fairdinkum pr*cks and this won't be forgotten.
As for Rawlings......his signature ain't yours yet Christo. I'll bloody laugh if you gave up #6 and don't end up with him!!
When do you start training Kick???
Whether we believe it or not is irrelavent, PAWA
Facts are, the Kanga's, Melbourne and Richmond were always in trouble, given they wanted 'quality' players, but had no-one of any great worth to give for them. (Seriously...that's not an intended insult.)
The Doggies and Hawthorn (even Geelong to a lesser extent) were always in the box seat....And that's exactly how it panned out.
Maybe we won't end up with Rawlings (unlikely, but indeed possible), but at least we gave ourselves a chance, unlike Port! :shrug: :moon:
Facts are, the Kanga's, Melbourne and Richmond were always in trouble, given they wanted 'quality' players, but had no-one of any great worth to give for them. (Seriously...that's not an intended insult.)
The Doggies and Hawthorn (even Geelong to a lesser extent) were always in the box seat....And that's exactly how it panned out.
Maybe we won't end up with Rawlings (unlikely, but indeed possible), but at least we gave ourselves a chance, unlike Port! :shrug: :moon:
Wow! Imagine a club actually trying to do what's best for themselves, and not worrying about appeasing any other club. Rawlings wanted to leave and they wanted the best deal they could possibly get for him. Simple.
Thanks for the updates fellas. Good to know what is going on with it all. Will be interesting to find out where rawlings actually ends up. Not all that excited about the dons giving up Jacobs who i thought had come along way in the past 12 months but hopefully the draft picks can prove some worth. Looks like the preseason draft will attract more than a little interest in a few months time. Where did morrell end up by the way? Will go to the AFL page you mentioned Cristo and check it all out but thanks again for the info.
