AFL Round 8

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Here goes for Round 8 of the AFL. Once again I am posting my plays early as I am working later in the week. As always you may want to shop around because better prices may be available.

Friday May 18 at MCG 7:40pm AEST
Richmond $1.25 (-25.5) vs Adelaide $3.75 (+25.5)

No Play

Richmond are starting quite short at $1.25 and probably deserve to given their strong 5-2 start to the season. In their matches prior to last weeks beating by Essendon they had won only against the Kangaroos West Coast & Collingwood so their form is perhaps not as strong as everyone thinks. Richmond are boosted by the return of Torney & Rogers, but the question is how much will last weeks big loss affect their confidence. Adelaide have won 3 of their last 4 matches, with their only loss being a competitive game against Hawthorn. They will really miss Robran in their defensive line if he does not play. Richmond traditionally dominate this matchup, and whilst I expect that to continue I think Adelaide will make it interesting. I reckon the bookies have the line about right here so no play on this one.

Saturday May 19 at Manuka Oval Canberra 1:40pm AEST
Kangaroos $1.90 (pk) vs St Kilda $1.90 (pk)

No Play

It has been a disappointing start to the year for the Kangaroos, but they have started to show patches of form in the past 2 matches. Wayne Carey is still not 100% fit but is starting to become a factor. St Kilda have played ok the past 3 weeks including a nice win against Sydney and a close loss to Hawthorn. It is also Nathan Burkes 300th and they will be keen to do the job for him. The game is being played in Canberra which is a neutral ground, and I really can?t see that much difference between the 2 teams. With both paying under $2.00 at present, I can?t see any value here.

Saturday May 19 at Optus Oval 2:10pm AEST
Carlton $1.60 (-11.5) Brisbane $2.30 (+11.5)

Playing Brisbane +11.5

Carltons form has been inconsistent this year with their record reading WLWLWLW. Except for their win over Essendon in Round 3, they are not playing as well as 1999 and 2000. However I would not be surprised if they start putting it all together in the coming weeks. Brisbane I do rate highly but they are not playing as well as they can. They have won their past 3 matches against what I consider weak opposition but winning form can help build confidence within the team. They do have Power and Scott back for this week, but unfortunately Leppitsch is still out. This looks like a close game to me, and the only reason Brisbane are paying $2.30 is because of their poor record in Melbourne (although they did win at this ground in 1999). I think Brisbane are well worth a bet ATS, but would just prefer if they could shift the GABBA to Melbourne for the weekend !!

Saturday May 19 at MCG 2:10pm AEST
Hawthorn $1.13 (-41.5) vs West Coast $5.75 (+41.5)

No Play

Hawthorn are the only undefeated side remaining in the AFL and it is very hard to see an injury plagued West Coast side changing that. Hawthorn just keep doing the job but I?m sure deep down they are already starting to focus on Essendon in Round 9. I can see Hawthorn winning this game comfortably. However they will want to leave something in reserve for the following week, so they may not play as hard in the last part of the game if they are well ahead. Not a great game to bet on in my opinion.

Saturday May 19 at Footy Park 7:40pm AEST
Port Adelaide $1.25 (-25.5) vs Collingwood $3.75 (+25.5)

No Play

Port Adelaide continue to impress hammering West Coast in WA last week. They have only lost one game all season (Ansett Cup included) and they are winning by some big margins. Their loss was against Essendon and they showed some fight in that game. Collingwood are going better than their 3-4 record suggests as they have had a tough draw to date. Their losses were all very close mathces against the Kangaroos (2 pts) Essendon (8 pts) Richmond (15 pts) and Hawthorn (4 pts). The close loss last week may harm their confidence. With Port Adelaide winning by big scores and Collingwood losing by close scores this is a tough one to work out so I am going to leave it alone.

Sunday May 20 at MCG 2:10pm AEST
Melbourne $6.00 (+42.5) vs Essendon $1.12 (-42.5)

No Play

This is a replay of last years Grand Final. Melbourne are presently 4-3 for the season but have not looked very impressive to me. Their 4 wins have been against weaker sides Adelaide Sydney Fremantle and Geelong. They are struggling with injuries with Ward Collins and Walsh all in doubt and still no Farmer. Essendon on the other hand are starting to look like a champion side again and winning with authority. It seems they will be without Mercuri and Alessio but they have enough depth to fill the gaps. Essendon will win this game and probably win it easily, but I don?t see great value with a 42.5 line.

Sunday May 20 at SCG 2:10pm AEST
Wstn Bulldogs $1.70 (-6.5) vs Sydney $2.15 (+6.5)

Playing Wstn Bulldogs ?6.5

This is a home game for Wstn Bulldogs and they have agreed to play it at the SCG. Wstn Bulldogs will gain plenty of confidence from the win over Melbourne and are further boosted by the return of Libba and Curley. They are a good side who I think are about to hit their straps. I have been betting against Sydney for the past few weeks and they have done job for me losing their last 4 matches. Sydney will probably lose Cresswell this week and with no Kelly their midfield is weakened. They are also lacking lacking firepower in the goalkicking dept and rely too heavily on Goodes and O?Loughlin. I am slightly disappointed with the price for Wstn Bulldogs but regardless think they are a strong bet.

Sunday May 20 at Subiaco 4:10pm AEST
Fremantle $1.70 (-6.5) vs Geelong $2.15 (+6.5)

Playing Fremantle ?6.5

Never thought I would see the day when I was backing an 0-7 team starting as favourite but Fremantle are going better than their record suggests. In last weeks thread I listed each game they had played and it shows they have been fairly competitive in all their matches this year. Unfortunately they have often fallen away in the 4th quarter. Geelong have looked ordinary losing their past 5 matches and they are not helped by the loss of Burns and Riccardi this week. I am going for Fremantle to score their first win of the year and wouldn?t be surprised if they do it in style.

Summary of Plays

Brisbane +11.5
Wstn Bulldogs ?6.5
Fremantle ?6.5

If you want to be more conservative you may prefer to take the $1.70 straight up for Wstn Bulldogs and Fremantle.

Good luck to everyone.
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Here are my early plays for the week.


Friday May 18 at MCG 7:40pm AEST
Richmond $1.25 (-25.5) vs Adelaide $3.75 (+25.5)

No Play

As an Adelaide supporter it hard to analyse this game without bias. Robran is expected to play according to media reports here in Adelaide and with the inclusion of Vardy and possibly Johnson this may be one of the strongest teams Adelaide has fielded this year. With a trip to the Gabba the following week Adelaide must win this game. Richmond, on the other hand, suffered a humiliating loss to Essendon and should really be on to turn around that result. Adelaide is a tough to team to predict. If they play at their worst Richmond will win easily but if they play at their best Adelaide may be able to win. Therefore, I see the line has being spot on.

Saturday May 19 at Manuka Oval Canberra 1:40pm AEST
Kangaroos $1.90 (pk) vs St Kilda $1.90 (pk)

No Play

Two many unknown factors in this game. Will McKiernan return after 28 possessions in the reserves and what impact will he have? Will St Kilda fire for Burkes 300th games as they did for Loewes? St Kilda have been competitive in nearly all of their losses by being in a possible winning position in the last quarter including last week when they led Hawthorn by 3 points in the last quarter. North Melbourne on the other hand picked up their first win over Collingwood with an inspiring 15-point down comeback win. If I was forced to make a pick I would pick St Kilda but with absolutely no confidence.

Saturday May 19 at Optus Oval 2:10pm AEST
Carlton $1.60 (-11.5) Brisbane $2.30 (+11.5)

Carlton -11.5

At Optus Carlton are always favourite and rightly so with the tremendous record at their home ground although this year it has no been so good. Carlton are starting to show some reasonable form with their win against Geelong. Reports that Koutifides is on his way back to his best form could also spell problems for teams playing Carlton in the near future. Brisbane have had a couple of good wins but these have been in Brisbane and Sydney. Brisbane record in Melbourne is so poor that I could not at this point in time seeing them beating an improving Carlton at Optus.

Saturday May 19 at MCG 2:10pm AEST
Hawthorn $1.13 (-41.5) vs West Coast $5.75 (+41.5)

Play Hawthorn -41.5

After watching the Port v West Coast match I now firmly believe that West Coast are the worst team in the AFL at the moment. West Coast has only 1 out of there last 10 at Subiaco. Hawthorn on the other hand are riding high remaining undefeated by coming from 3 points down in the last to beat St Kilda. There is absolutely no doubt Hawthorn will win this game and probably be leading by a large margin at the half so as they can rest players in the second for the Essendon game the following week. After seeing the long list of West Coast injuries recommend backing Hawthorn taking the start.

Saturday May 19 at Footy Park 7:40pm AEST
Port Adelaide $1.25 (-25.5) vs Collingwood $3.75 (+25.5)

Play Collingwood -25.5

Port Adelaide are the playing the best football of their short life at the moment. The only blemish at the moment is the loss to Essendon. Primus current form has him in the top few ruckman in the competition at present and should easily outplay Fraser giving Port first use of the ball. Collingwood failed to consolidate their reasonable form after challenging Essendon and beating Carlton. On Current form I would back Port taking the start

Sunday May 20 at MCG 2:10pm AEST
Melbourne $6.00 (+42.5) vs Essendon $1.12 (-42.5)

No Play

Once again it is clear how far Essendon are in front of the rest of competition. When Essendon come to play they are a 40+ better side than anyone else in the comp. On the other hand Sheedy knows at this stage of the season a 10 point win or a 60 point win doesn't matter as both are worth four points. Melbourne on the other hand were absolutely shocking on Friday Night against the Bulldogs and without improvement could really be hammered by Essendon. Either way on current form this spread is about right and I see no advantage either way.

Sunday May 20 at SCG 2:10pm AEST
Wstn Bulldogs $1.70 (-6.5) vs Sydney $2.15 (+6.5)

Play Sydney S/U

Sydney plays another away game at home with Bulldogs travelling to Sydney. If this is like previous games Sydney sees this as insult that a Melbourne team is invading on their area and usually do very well in these games. Bulldogs won as an underdog beating a poor Melbourne on Friday. Bulldogs form is patchy to say the least with each week seeing a different performance. If this game was in Melbourne I would be selecting Bulldogs but since the game is in Sydney and a must win game Sydney must win therefore I recommending backing Sydney S/U.

Sunday May 20 at Subiaco 4:10pm AEST
Fremantle $1.70 (-6.5) vs Geelong $2.15 (+6.5)

No Play

Fremantle are 0-7 and are favourites to win at home against Geelong who have been told that need to start winning to ensure the survival of the club. My personal opinion is that Fremantle will this game but while I am reasonably confident I can not possibly recommend a bet on a team without a win after 7 rounds.

Summary of Plays:
Carlton -11.5
Hawthorn -41.5
Port -25.5
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Quick 5 second thoughts were - consider Adelaide perhaps, see what news is later - Richmond struggling to score, effort last week ordinary, offensive stats not great - admittedly they playing super team, so tough, reasonable favorite here, can they bounce back? Can't trust them to cover 4 goals plus though.

Brisbane at +12.5 - entirely different kettle of fish in form to the what the hell has gone wrong in Geelong

Also, watching Talking Footy etc., seems that suggestions of financial instability abound - this could be affecting player form too I think - so that made anyone backing Carlton last week even more sensible.

Line maybe reflecting this more now.


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If the Hawks will rest players and try stuff out, not sure that is great - also, defensive fundamentals not great for them - don't really want to consider the Eagles, but if it pisses down or something, might be a bit of a worry.

'West Coast are crap' is what I wrote in my preseason preview. No surprise here. Now they are old, as well as being crappy and soft.
 

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I will disagree really that Carlton is improving Beast - they still have big problems trying to score - and no key defenders around, not that that is such of a problem vs Brisbane.

Brittain and others have stated that a lot of them are going 'very ordinarily'

So hard to give points (even if small) vs a Brisbane team on the improve.
 

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Carlton vs Brisbane
Pick carlton -11.5
Brisbane just cannot seem to win in Melbourne and playing back to back away games should see Carlton get the points at Optus

Sydney vs Bulldogs
pick sydney +6.5 (if cresswell plays)
If cresswell plays this bet stands if not a no play.
Can't remember the last time sydney lost 5 straight and started a game in sydney as a dog.Until last week bulldogs looked very ordinary.Midfields should be even if cresswell plays,but i feel sydneys tall and mobile forward line may pose some problems for the bulldogs. See this as a must win game for Sydney

Fremantle vs geelong
pick Fremantle -6.5

Fremantle should get first win of the year as Geelong will miss Riccardi and Burns.


could be a good weekend to parlay a few of the teams such as Essendon and Hawthorn (win only) with your favourite line bet for a bit more value.

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well spotted cartmann88 (same rounds as last year round 4 to round 8 if they loose this weekend), i hope this is not an omen ......they may turn into coll'wood who until this year could not win in may.
thanks for that mate but i will stick with them unless cresswell pulls out which is looking highly likely at the moment.
 

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Originally posted by AussieVamp2:
Observational confirmation - it has rained in Melbourne today

If the rain has affected the MCG, then it has to bring Adelaide (+25.5) into contention as they seem to play alright in the wet conditions. It also would bring West Coast (+41.5) into consideration as 7 goals is a huge margin to win by on slippery ground.
 

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With the team news out and after looking at the weather report here are my revised bets:

Additons:
St Kilda S/U
The loss of Carey is an enormous blow for North Melbourne as they have been thrashed in each game Carey has missed this year.
St Kilda have been playing good football recently with the win over Sydney and pushing both Carlton and Hawthorn before losing in the last quarter. The inclusion of Harvey is a major plus but the loss of Hall could hurt them as he played a huge part in there victory over Sydney.

Omissions:
Hawthorn -41.5
With the weather report forecasting rain it is impossible to back a team to win by 7 goals but I still couldn't recommend playing West Coast after there performance against Port last week.

Summary of Plays:
Port -25.5 *Best Bet of the Week*
St Kilda -2.5
Carlton -11.5
Sydney S/U
 

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Alas, alack, no time for write-ups as of yet, been too busy on Super 12 and NRL.
Not playing tonite's game, good luck to those who are, get that collect
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Weekend plays:
St Kilda ML ($1.75) - played this Wed, like it even more now with Carey out and Harvey back...
Carlton -11.5
Fremantle -9.5

Oh yeah, season record 13-9 i fink
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GLTA
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Well the great run finally came to an end today.
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Brisbane 68 Carlton 142

It was my first loss in about 8 or 9 picks and I should have thought twice after the rest of the world went for Carlton. Well done to anyone who made some cash on that game.

Other results for the weekend to date:

Richmond 92 Adelaide 120
Kangaroos 138 St Kilda 89
Hawthorn 138 West Coast 58

I wasn't that surprised to see Adelaide knock off Richmond. I reckon that match is going to be a turning point for both teams this year with Adelaide gaining confidence and Richmond searching for answers.

Good luck for the rest of the weekend.
 

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Results from remaining Round 8 games:

Collingwood 119 bt Port Adelaide 110
Essendon 85 bt Melbourne 79
Wstn Bulldogs 122 bt Sydney 101
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Geelong 95 bt Fremantle 73
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Disappointing 1-2 weekend with my picks which led to the first losing round for some time.

Round 8 has produced a few upsets, a few close games, and I think plenty of results that will have an impact on certain teams as we move into the middle part of the season. Here are a few quick thoughts.

Adelaide have some real momentum now and must take heaps of confidence out of their win as they head up to face Brisbane at the GABBA next week.

Richmond will be searching for answers after previously getting hammered by Essendon and then throwing away a very handy lead. If they get beaten by Geelong next week their season is in trouble.

Carlton finally put everything together and may be ready to start stringing a few wins together after an inconsistent start to the year.

Brisbane once again showed they can't play as well in Melbourne which has to throw a serious question mark over their ability to win the comp.

Collingwood played very well and considering their tough draw they are not badly placed at 4-4. Would not be surprised if they start sneaking up the ladder over the coming weeks as they meet some of the weaker teams.

Port Adelaide finally came back to earth after a fantastic start to the season. The loss of Primus is a massive blow to them.

Essendon showed they can be beaten after scraping home today. Hawthorn are the side to do it and these 2 teams clash in what should be a great match next week.

Fremantle had every reason to win today and were very disappointing. They are now 0-8 and team morale has to be low.

Here is next weeks matchups:

Friday Kangaroos vs Carlton @ MCG
Saturday Collingwood vs St Kilda @ MCG
Saturday West Coast vs Wstn Bulldogs @ Subiaco
Saturday Brisbane vs Adelaide @ Gabba
Saturday Essendon vs Hawthorn @ Colonial
Sunday Port Adelaide vs Melbourne @ Football Park
Sunday Geelong vs Richmond @ Shell Stadium
Sunday Sydney vs Fremantle @ SCG
 

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What a disappointing week going 1-3 with my best bet losing. Even worse was I replaced Hawthorn -41.5 (A Winner) with St Kilda (A loser) after weather and team news.

Looking at the picks in the group it looks like the bookies clearly won.

I think there were a couple of lessons that could be learnt from this week.

1. Do not back a team just because the opposition has the lost a star player. How many people jumped on St Kilda when we heard Carey was out including myself?

2. Do not back a team who has lost 7 in a row and is a favorite even if there are logical reasons why they could win. I nearly fell for this trap myself as I really liked Fremantle to win but thought other games were better value.

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Primus hurt again sucks, I have always liked him.

Collingwood who I was not sensible enough to bet on a bit of an opinion won the Magpie battle - but that injury certainly would have helped.

On the Carey thing - yeah, was not going to back St Kilda currently - as a favorite, especially in Canberra where North have played before - guess Shannon Grant maybe won them the last couple? Should have mentioned that but ran out of time had to go out.

A few more wins and Pagan will have pulled out yet another rabbit - think Cartman or someone mentioned before, tough to bet against him in that situation.

Annoying when you don't bet on nice underdogs, oh well
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Yeah and there are plenty of nice underdogs when you delve into the form each week.

In hindsight (god things are easy with hindsight), Adelaide at $3.50 and Collingwood at $3.75 were well over the odds. Whilst Richmond and Port Adelaide have going been going well they are not top sides by any means.

Full credit to Dennis Pagan for his efforts with the Kangaroos. 3 weeks ago everyone was saying they were a spent force but they have showed plenty of heart.

Anyway moving forward to Round 9 (which we will no doubt start a new thread for at some stage), nothing stands out at the moment. I will have a good look at the matches later in the week at post my plays.
 
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