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thier conference so they don't deserve to play for the national championship.....
Is the stupidiest fucking arguement!

College football is the only time you hear these morons saying this. Every other sport, college or pro, you can play for national/world title and come from a wild card and its fine, but not college football:shrug:

Guess Green Bay didn't deserve to play in the Super Bowl since the Bears won the division

The two best teams are playing for it all!

Okie St you lost to a team that was 3-6 in conference and beat N. Iowa by 1, gimmie a break they deserve to be there about as much as Boise St does:mj07:
 
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That would be fine if college football had a playoff like every other sport, but it doesn't. That's why we say you should have to win you conference. Hell, Alabama didn't even win their division.

The BCS motto is "Every game counts" and also "Every week is a playoff game". Well, obviously that isn't true. Because Bama lost and is still playing for the NC.

You, like others, have chosen to focus on the one loss each team has. BUT, the focus should be on wins. OK St has more quality wins against Top 25 and Top 40 teams than Alabama.

BUT, if you insist on focusing on the one loss, it happened the same day of the plane crash tragedy and on the road in double OT. It had a direct effect on the team.

It is what it is though and the rematch is happening whether people like it or not. I hope Bama gets blown out this time.
 

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That would be fine if college football had a playoff like every other sport, but it doesn't. That's why we say you should have to win you conference. Hell, Alabama didn't even win their division.

The BCS motto is "Every game counts" and also "Every week is a playoff game". Well, obviously that isn't true. Because Bama lost and is still playing for the NC.

You, like others, have chosen to focus on the one loss each team has. BUT, the focus should be on wins. OK St has more quality wins against Top 25 and Top 40 teams than Alabama.

BUT, if you insist on focusing on the one loss, it happened the same day of the plane crash tragedy and on the road in double OT. It had a direct effect on the team.

It is what it is though and the rematch is happening whether people like it or not I hope Bama gets blown out this time.

Wins. Alabama dominated every team they played, except one of course. Alabama beat every opponent they played by 16 points or more. OSU was down 17 at half to A&M and was even with Kansas State with 3 minutes left. Then, of course, the loss to the SEC equivalent of Kentucky.

Your hate for Bama is boring and childish...what did Bama do other than everything they were supposed to do. Fuck You!:thefinger
 
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Your hate for Bama is boring and childish...what did Bama do other than everything they were supposed to do. Fuck You!:thefinger

Over react much?
Christ you act like the guy was degrading your mother..
I would like to have seen Oklahoma St in there just because Bama had their chance to beat LSU at home and blew it. Would just like to see another team get a shot. The loss to Iowa St is much worse than Bama's loss and that is the only reason why they are held out but I agree that it did happen when a plane crash occurred and some leniency should be given.

I have a dislike for LSU but will probably root for them after this post.
 

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JoeFrog,

I would consider guarding my oak trees if I were you. You know how these updykes tend to overreact.......
 

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Cie now that's some funny chit...With all being said , i believe this game should take place...these are the only 2 teams capable of challenging each othes so let them slug it out again...all football purist want this i think....my 2 cents...:shrug:
 

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JoeFrog,

I would consider guarding my oak trees if I were you. You know how these updykes tend to overreact.......

Lol. I guess I may have overreacted..a lil :facepalm:

It's just frustrating that everything I'm seeing and reading is pointing the finger at Bama and the SEC. Neither are responsible. I'd like to see Bama and OSU could square off tomorrow as much as anyone but it is what it is.

My apologies to the dude:0008
 

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I have debated on posting my thoughts on this subject but what the hell, some will agree and some won't. :SIB

Obviously I'm an Alabama fan and I'm thrilled that the Tide will be playing for the BCS National Championship. When I woke up Sunday morning I truly thought that somehow, someway Okie State would leapfrog up to #2 and play LSU for the title. I was resigned to that and told my girlfriend that I would be disappointed but not mad. Then the Coaches Poll was released and I saw that while Okie State had made a big jump, they were still behind Alabama. When Bruce Edwards and Jerry Palm said it was going to be a rematch I started to believe it was going to happen but wasn't going to get my hopes up until Reece Davis announced the results.

I know that everyone and their brother (even Bart) has a poll on who they wanted to see face LSU and the Pokes were the overwhelming choice. People say Alabama had its shot? Well, Oklahoma State had its shot, too. All the Cowboys had to do was win their final two games and they were in the title game. Then they went to Ames and were shocked by 29-point underdog Iowa State. Publicly Coach Gundy has not used the tragic plane crash as an excuse. Maybe it affected his team, maybe it didn't. I do know that the Pokes were up 24-7 in the 3rd quarter before letting the Cyclones outscore them 30-7 the rest of the way. If the roles were reversed I would be pissed. Okie State won 11 games, beat more ranked teams than Alabama and won their conference championship but I still can't get past the ISU loss. Plus Alabama has a 24 point victory over #6 Arkansas. Okie State has a 7 point win over # 8 Kansas State.

Why should Alabama be penalized for being in the same conference/division as LSU? They came closer than anyone else to beating the Tigers. Alabama held LSU to 9 points in OT (which is almost 30 points below their season average). Alabama beat everyone else on their schedule by at least 16 points. In 11 out of 12 games the Tide held their opponents to 14 points or less.

Maybe Okie State vs LSU would be more entertaining. Personally I believe that LSU would beat the Pokes by at least 3 TDs. I understand that public sentiment is against a rematch but until the BCS is blown up this is the system we are stuck with. Yes I'm happy that Alabama is in the BCS Title game but how they got there sucks. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but when SEC Commissioner Mike Slive proposed a Plus 1 format several years ago the only other conference that agreed was the ACC. The B1G and Big 12 were adamantly against this idea. Imagine #1 LSU vs #4 Stanford and #2 Alabama vs #3 Okie State?

Don't blame Alabama or the SEC for this mess. I think it's a sham that we have 6 computers that we have NO IDEA how data is entered (or if it's even correct) accounts for 1/3 of the BCS formula. The Harris and USA Today Coaches Polls account for the other 2/3. Seriously? You have coaches who admittedly don't watch other teams play VOTING on where they are RANKED. Why don't all the coaches vote? Why does Nick Saban get a vote and Mike Gundy doesn't? I'm told because it's just the luck of the draw. Coaches with a vested interest on the field and FINANCIALLY can tweak the outcome. Most coaches get a big fat bonus for final rankings or BCS bowl appearances. What better way to affect the outcome than being able to vote for your OWN TEAM.

Link to final USA Today Coaches Poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2011-final-coaches-ballots/51647436/1

Look at this crap! Chris Peterson voted TCU 18th! Troy Calhoun voted Okie State 5th! 6 coaches voted Boise State 11th or worse!

Link to final Harris Interactive Poll:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/HICFP_Individual_Rankings_Dec_4_2011.pdf

Two people had Alabama ranked 4th and three had Okie State 6th! Who are these people and why do they get a vote on who plays for the National Championship? They are former coaches, players, ADs, SIDs and journalists. Former SEC Commish Roy Kramer voted 5 SEC teams in his top 11 on his Harris ballot. Former Iowa SID George Wine voted Houston at 5, Oklahoma State at 6 although Houston just lost by 21 points to Southern Miss.

Link to Harris Interactive Poll voters:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/vault/HI-News-Release-HICFP-Panelists-2011-10-05.pdf

Oklahoma State, I'm sorry that you are not playing for the BCS title. I truly am. The whole system is a sham and needs to be blown up once and for all. I'm just happy that it was not at the expense of my Crimson Tide.

I think one argument lost in all of this is how is this fair to LSU? Why should they have to beat a team that they have already beaten? I really don't have a great answer for that other than a lot of things had to transpire for this rematch to happen and they did. Stanford lost by 23 at home. USC beat Oregon on the road. TCU won at Boise State. Oklahoma lost at Baylor. Okie State lost at Iowa State. The one constant is Alabama kept winning. Les Miles even voted Alabama #2 in his final poll (if that matters). I would guess if he didn't want a rematch he would have voted the Pokes ahead of Bama.

I truly believe that Alabama is the second best team in the country so I feel that ultimately as flawed and screwed up as the BCS is they got it right. I can't say the same for the Sugar Bowl. How does Va. Tech warrant an at-large? Why is Michigan playing in a BCS bowl but Sparty isn't? TCU doesn't make a BCS bowl as well. Again, the entire system is a freaking joke and needs to be blown up.

I hope that everyone sees that I'm not just a homer and a realist. Yes, extremely pleased that Alabama is playing but the system just plain sucks.

I just saw that Bruce Edwards (ESPN's BCS Guru) tweeted that if every voter who had OKST at 4, 5 or 6 would've put them at 3 instead, final BCS avg would be Bama .942, OKST .938.
 
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Lol. I guess I may have overreacted..a lil :facepalm:

It's just frustrating that everything I'm seeing and reading is pointing the finger at Bama and the SEC. Neither are responsible. I'd like to see Bama and OSU could square off tomorrow as much as anyone but it is what it is.

My apologies to the dude:0008

Not pointing a finger at Bama or the SEC. Just stating facts. OSU beat more ranked teams than Alabama. Not talking perception of quality wins. I'm talking actual rankings. My post was in response to the OP. I have no problem with rematches if it was decided on the field in a playoff. This was decided by voters with an agenda.

I'll never change people's minds about any of this and you won't change mine. I take no offense at anything anyone says to me about this.
 

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Look at this crap! Chris Peterson voted TCU 18th! Troy Calhoun voted Okie State 5th! 6 coaches voted Boise State 11th or worse!

And Larry Fedora of So Miss voted TCU in the 20s. Every coach has an agenda. That's why I think it's crazy it counts towards the BCS rankings.
 

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end these championship money grabs and have playoffs that start next week :00hour tie in a few conferences and settle it on the field...:popcorn2 all these polls are bullshit...

have the bowls for the 6-6 teams I dont care...out of the top 16 you make a bowl, 35 fuckin bowl games:sadwave:
 

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Agree Scott. 120 D-1 football teams and 72 of them go to a bowl game (36 bowls) including 6-7 UCLA! How many schools actually make money on their bowl game? Temple is flying across country to play in a New Mexico bowl game. How many fans will make that trip? Almost guarantee you it won't be close to the allotted number of tickets that Temple must buy and sell!

Congrats on your 6-6 season. As a reward you can play in Boise, Idaho in Janaury. :scared
 

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Agree Scott. 120 D-1 football teams and 72 of them go to a bowl game (36 bowls) including 6-7 UCLA! How many schools actually make money on their bowl game? Temple is flying across country to play in a New Mexico bowl game. How many fans will make that trip? Almost guarantee you it won't be close to the allotted number of tickets that Temple must buy and sell!

Congrats on your 6-6 season. As a reward you can play in Boise, Idaho in Janaury. :scared

As long as there are sponsors paying the $, there will be these bowls. I'm just surprised the lower level bowls keep getting new sponsors. In this economy, and with how often sponsors change on these lower bowls, I think it would be obvious to companies to stay away. The marketing you get is no where near the $ you have to shell to sponsor a bowl that takes place on Dec. 19th in some locale that isn't a big tourist draw.
 

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Wins. Alabama dominated every team they played, except one of course. Alabama beat every opponent they played by 16 points or more. OSU was down 17 at half to A&M and was even with Kansas State with 3 minutes left. Then, of course, the loss to the SEC equivalent of Kentucky.

Your hate for Bama is boring and childish...what did Bama do other than everything they were supposed to do. Fuck You!:thefinger

Is that really necessary?
 

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bowls are here to stay cause of money...

i want playoffs more then anyone, but everyone can save time wishing for them, cause money talks and its not gonna happen...



lsu vs bama seems boring to me for some reason...maybe cause we already saw it...maybe cause it was low scoring...i dunno why, but for some reason i am not excited about that game...


okst vs. lsu, i woulda been much more interested in. high octane big12 offense, vs maybe the best defense in years....


would rather saw okst in it, but not saying they are better then bama....


it was a tough year to decide who deserves it more....




all i know, LSU EARNED THE SPOT THEY ARE IN AND I WANT TO CONGRATULATE ALL LSU FANS ON A FANTASTIC SEASON....

you guys played a hellluva schedule, and made it look easy...

killed oregon, wvu, arky, georgia, and beat bama....and oh ya alll the other SEC teams...


good year tigers, enjoy your big game :toast:
 
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How can you say the regular season is a "playoff" if you don't even win your division :mj07: :mj07:
 
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