Another question about rollover fulfillment

[JustFootball]

This feels to me like the book (which I am not naming here so as to not seem like I'm trying to make trouble for them) is just making up rules as they go along in trying to delay or diminish my rollover fulfillment ($30,000). Back in May, following other disputes over my fulfillment, I started tracking my exact bets each week. **Now** the book claims that they use the *smaller" of either amount (risk/win) to calculate my rollover--i.e., if I risk $220 to win $100, I only get credit for $100 in rollover fulfillment, even if the bet loses. This seems beyond sketch to me, that I should be credited with the amount that I am risking, regardless. Any input/experience with this? Thank you.

 

[kickserv]

Yes, that is just another way a Sportsbook fucks you over with "rollover requirement" bullshit, that is why ya gotta read the rules first before you deposit. Most don't do that "sketchy shit" you describe above, but there are still some "offshore books" out there that do. Most legal Sportsbooks don't do what you described above, in fact the scenerio you described is actually illegal in many countries, I know in Canada and Australia if you run a legal Sportsbook you can't do that for "rollovers", it is actually illegal.

But hey, bottom line, it is on you to read the rules, you clearly didn't. You might think you got screwed over, but as long as those rules were in place before you deposited it is your fault for not knowing the rules. Now if they changed the rules on you that is a whole other matter, but I doubt that is the case.

So yep.....nobody to blame but yourself

 

[kickserv]

And yes......obviously if you are risking 100 dollars to win 95 dollars, and you only get credit for the 95 dollars that is "sketchy" to say the least, you are right, it is complete bullshit.

But as I said, ya gotta read the rollover rules first. Know what odds apply, know what wagers apply, know what sports apply, etc, etc.

 

[JustFootball]

And yes......obviously if you are risking 100 dollars to win 95 dollars, and you only get credit for the 95 dollars that is "sketchy" to say the least, you are right, it is complete bullshit.

But as I said, ya gotta read the rollover rules first. Know what odds apply, know what wagers apply, know what sports apply, etc, etc.

Here is the email response I just received to my email (to the book) asking where on their website they state this rollover rule:

Accounts​	1:55 PM (0 minutes ago)
to me

The policy is not stated on our website. It is a long understood method of books to do rollover that way . I’m sorry for your frustration but I have never encountered a problem with players over this.

 

[MadJack]

Every book that I ever accepted a bonus from takes the smaller amount of risk/win. If you bet all even money games you wouldn't have that problem. But they aren't going to give you credit of $100 if you bet $100 to win $5. Come on!

 

[kickserv]

Here is the email response I just received to my email (to the book) asking where on their website they state this rollover rule:

Accounts​	1:55 PM (0 minutes ago)
to me

The policy is not stated on our website. It is a long understood method of books to do rollover that way . I’m sorry for your frustration but I have never encountered a problem with players over this.

That is absolute bullshit.....they don't even have the info on their website.

Run away...run far away from that Sportbook.

 

[kickserv]

Every book that I ever accepted a bonus from takes the smaller amount of risk/win.

Well Jack, then you have been fucked over since Day 1. I have never ever taken a bonus where the rollover requirement "takes the smaller amount". And as stated above, legal Sportsbooks in some countries can't even pull that bullshit now because it is illegal.

Thankfully rollover requirements (bullshit ones and legit ones) are almost extinct now, even the "offshore books" are starting to get away from em. Now you have "free plays" and such. And yes sometimes those "free plays" have rollovers but usually it is just a 1x thing.

 

[kickserv]

But they aren't going to give you credit of $100 if you bet $100 to win $5. Come on!

Come on dude, what kind of crap is that..........yes almost all "Offshore Sportsbooks" have an odds requirement for a rollover to be valid. Sometimes it is odds of around -400, or -300, or at worst -200. Yes in those cases your wager doesn't qualify for the rollover.

But if you wager 100 bucks to win 95 bucks and you only get credit for 95, then that is just straight up (pardon the pun) bullshit.

 

[kickserv]

To prove my point from what I said above.......on Thursday at Madjack Sponsor Sports Interaction I deposited 200 dollars, I received a "100 % match" in the form of a "free play". The 200 dollar "free play" had no rollover, and as long as the odds were -500 or better you could use the free play on anything.

As for non "Free Play"....at Sports Interaction I have taken a 15 percent bonus on a deposit, the rollover was 4x. As long as the wager was -200 or better the rollover was valid. Meaning you could risk 500 dollars on a football game at odds of -200 and get credit for 500 towards your rollover requirement. Now if you risked 500 dollars on say a soccer game at odds of -900, then you would not be given credit towards your rollover requirement.




So, JustFootball despite what Jack and that dude that sent you the e-mail said, if you risked 100 dollars to win 95, and you only get credit for the 95, you got screwed. I could give you 100's of examples like I did above but you get the idea.

But you are in another realm, that book you used just made up shit a they went along, to not even have the rollover rules posted is absolute bullshit. Of course you should have never depoisted there in the first place if you didn't know the rules, so that is on you.

 

[MadJack]

That is absolute bullshit.....they don't even have the info on their website.

Run away...run far away from that Sportbook.

About the only thing you said that I agree with. They ALL post their rules too.

1x rollover? Yeah for $25 maybe, but not $1000 or even $500 bonuses.

Right. Don't take a bonus if it doesn't sound fair to you.

I'm not discussing this with someone that doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[kickserv]

About the only thing you said that I agree with. They ALL post their rules too.

1x rollover? Yeah for $25 maybe, but not $1000 or even $500 bonuses.

Right. Don't take a bonus if it doesn't sound fair to you.

I'm not discussing this with someone that doesn't know what he's talking about.

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about......I literally gave you an example from one of YOUR sponsor books where you could deposit up to 5 grand (15% bonus) with a 4x rollover where you could bet on -200 odds and get full credit for your rollover. And there are a ton of other examples I could give proving my point.

Spin it any way you want to spin it, those are the facts.

Sheesh


We both agree on one thing though......know the rules before you deposit. And J Football got totally fucked over because the rules were not posted (although he is still at fault for depositing and not asking what the rules are, that Sportsbook uses complete bullshit rollover requirements, but you gotta know that in advance).

 

[kickserv]

They ALL post their rules too.

Well I'd hope so.

 

[MadJack]

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about......I literally gave you an example from one of YOUR sponsor books where you could deposit up to 5 grand (15% bonus) with a 4x rollover where you could bet on -200 odds and get full credit for your rollover. And there are a ton of other examples I could give proving my point.

Spin it any way you want to spin it, those are the facts.

Sheesh


We both agree on one thing though......know the rules before you deposit. And J Football got totally fucked over because the rules were not posted (although he is still at fault for depositing and not asking what the rules are, that Sportsbook uses complete bullshit rollover requirements, but you gotta know that

 

[MadJack]

RIGHT! A 15% BONUS. I'm talking about 100% bonuses.

SIA rollover requirement as posted on their site.

Rollovers: Customers shall be permitted to withdraw funds only if the bonus and the deposit that caused the bonus are rolled over 3 times for a 10% bonus, 4 times for a 15% bonus, 5 times for a 20% bonus and 10 times for a 100% bonus, unless otherwise stated.

 

[kickserv]

RIGHT! A 15% BONUS. I'm talking about 100% bonuses.

SIA rollover requirement as posted on their site.

Rollovers: Customers shall be permitted to withdraw funds only if the bonus and the deposit that caused the bonus are rolled over 3 times for a 10% bonus, 4 times for a 15% bonus, 5 times for a 20% bonus and 10 times for a 100% bonus, unless otherwise stated.

Yes....just as I said above.....and on top of that.....not matter what percentage bonus you use (1 percent to 100 percent) at SIA or what the rollover is, if you place a 500 dollar wager on odds of say -200 you get 500 dollars credit towards your rollover. None of that bullshit "only take the smaller amount" garbage.

And just like I mentioned if you happen to do the "match bonus free play" at SIA (up to 1000 dollars) they give you the free play with no rollover and you can use it on anything as long as odds are -500 or better.

Point being....there are tons of Sportsbooks out there that don't fuck you over with the "only take the smaller amount" rollover requirement, that is all I was trying to say.


Just know the rules before you deposit, it is as simple as that.

 

[kickserv]

I'm talking about 100% bonuses.

I agree with you on this, prepare to "jump through a million hoops" if you take a 100 percent bonus (not free play, meaning straight cash), Do 100 percent bonuses even exist any longer? Been a long time since I have seen one of those, usually the max is 20 percent cash.

 

[JustFootball]

Ok, thanks for the responses. Sorry I asked the question/made the post.

 

[Old School]

You bet 150 to win 100
books are only going to credit 100 toward the the rollover

been that way for the 4 decades I been doing this insane entertainment w/the islands

 

[kickserv]

Ok, thanks for the responses. Sorry I asked the question/made the post.

You got nothing to apologize for

 

[kickserv]

been that way for the 4 decades I been doing this insane entertainment w/the islands

Yes that bullshit has been in play at some "offshore books" forever......but as I mentioned many times in this thread thankfully that practice is going away. And for the record "in the past 4 decades" I have never ever done a rollover with that bullshit, not one time.