Any black men here?

[Cie]

I am growing tired of hearing about police brutality against blacks suspects when nary a word is mentioned about the fact that 13% of the population is committing 52% of the murders. If you were a policeman attempting to detain a black perpetrator, would you not be more vigilant given that black perps are 9 times more likely to kill you than white Perps?

 

[Dead Money]

Should be an interesting conversation.....opcorn2


I was stopped 6 months ago by a Black highway patrolman.

My car has tinted windows....he approached the car with a hand on his holster....

Turns out my electronic turnpike pass failed to register.

As he approached my car, in the mirror I could see EXTREME apprehension.

Think there is a a VERY charged atmosphere almost everywhere in America these days.

 

[The Joker]

cie,

So here is what I think.

Many police officers are not able to hold jobs above fast food or data entry. (Some officers WANTED to be police officers.)

The officers that were looking for something better only turned to law enforcement because of what the job entails. Excitement. Equipment. No cubicles. No teenage managers. These are the ones to worry about. They acquire a position of power unheard of in fast food.

ALL police officers are ill equipped and are not fully trained. ALL.

So, when we see videos of police offiers that handle situations with fervor and authority - these guys genuinely care about the public and their job and respect themselves and others. Here is a video example of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpTXeY6Bq7U&feature=youtu.be&t=80



When the guys that jumped from a shitty data entry job to law enforcement, they are scared. They are scared and they are scared. Frightened to do their job. Scared. They suck balls being a police officer. Here's a video backing this up.


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:shrug:

 

[Scrapman]

Joker i think you got most of it correct BUT look at Philly pa nary a word of cops shooting unsramed blacks

and boy we are heavy in black population also other cities you dont hear about it


simply because they really have proper training


The ones who go off shooting every suspected bad dudes are NOT trained properly like ok heres your gun and badge now swear on this bible and get to work :142smilie

 

[hedgehog]

I think the police are well trained and mostly good people. There are a few that are not just like any job.

The problem is no respect.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I am growing tired of hearing about police brutality against blacks suspects when nary a word is mentioned about the fact that 13% of the population is committing 52% of the murders. If you were a policeman attempting to detain a black perpetrator, would you not be more vigilant given that black perps are 9 times more likely to kill you than white Perps?

Since they are a black suspect, they deserve police brutality or it's at least justifiable in your eyes?

 

[Crookity]

You hit the nail on the head with this one...:0008

cie,

So here is what I think.

Many police officers are not able to hold jobs above fast food or data entry. (Some officers WANTED to be police officers.)

The officers that were looking for something better only turned to law enforcement because of what the job entails. Excitement. Equipment. No cubicles. No teenage managers. These are the ones to worry about. They acquire a position of power unheard of in fast food.

ALL police officers are ill equipped and are not fully trained. ALL.

So, when we see videos of police offiers that handle situations with fervor and authority - these guys genuinely care about the public and their job and respect themselves and others. Here is a video example of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpTXeY6Bq7U&feature=youtu.be&t=80



When the guys that jumped from a shitty data entry job to law enforcement, they are scared. They are scared and they are scared. Frightened to do their job. Scared. They suck balls being a police officer. Here's a video backing this up.


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/63WlopaIIyo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



:shrug:

 

[smurphy]

"nary a word" :lol: who talks like that?

 

[Cie]

Since they are a black suspect, they deserve police brutality or it's at least justifiable in your eyes?

Not even close, but I cannot blame them for the heightened awareness and vigilance given that a black suspect 900% more likely to kill them based on empirical data.

The Castille cop was on high alert. Actually, he was shiting his pants. That guy should not be a policeman. But, I understand why he would be nervous given that he knew the man had a gun plus he knows that black males murder at an alarmingly high rate.

 

[Cie]

"nary a word" :lol: who talks like that?

Just me, i guess

 

[Cie]

cie,

So here is what I think.

Many police officers are not able to hold jobs above fast food or data entry. (Some officers WANTED to be police officers.)

The officers that were looking for something better only turned to law enforcement because of what the job entails. Excitement. Equipment. No cubicles. No teenage managers. These are the ones to worry about. They acquire a position of power unheard of in fast food.

ALL police officers are ill equipped and are not fully trained. ALL.

So, when we see videos of police offiers that handle situations with fervor and authority - these guys genuinely care about the public and their job and respect themselves and others. Here is a video example of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpTXeY6Bq7U&feature=youtu.be&t=80



When the guys that jumped from a shitty data entry job to law enforcement, they are scared. They are scared and they are scared. Frightened to do their job. Scared. They suck balls being a police officer. Here's a video backing this up.


<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/63WlopaIIyo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



:shrug:

:toast:

 

[JOSHNAUDI]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297

Part 1

Police killed by Civilians

"There's a widespread perception in the American public, and particularly within law enforcement, that officers are more threatened, more endangered, more often assaulted, and more often killed than they have been historically," says Seth Stoughton, a law professor at the University of Southern Carolina and former policeman.
"I think it's a very strong perception. People truly believe it. But factually, looking at the numbers, it's not accurate," he says.
FBI data on police officers "feloniously killed" - killed as a result of a criminal act - indicates that the numbers have been falling, he says.
Looking at the 10 years from 2006 to 2015 the annual average number of police deaths was 49.6, Stoughton says, which he notes is "down significantly from the high".

Part 2 Civilians Killed by Cops

Although the FBI does gather some data on fatal shootings, police forces are not obliged to provide it, and only some of them do. This led the Washington Post to start tracking civilian deaths itself after the shooting of Michael Brown by police in Ferguson in August 2014, by monitoring reports in the media.
"We looked at the FBI database, since that was the official government accounting for things. And saw that over the past decade, the average number of shootings that they counted was about 400. By the end of last year, we had almost 1,000 fatal shootings that we had captured," says Kimberly Kindy, an investigative reporter at the newspaper.
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Blacks are being shot at a rate that's 2.5 times higher than whites​

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</aside>"What we didn't know though, of course, as we went into this year and did it a second year was - was last year a normal year? Is 990 people being killed by police in a single year about what you would expect year in and year out?"
So far, 2016 appears to be roughly on track with 2015, Kindy says.
"In fact there's been an increase, a 6% increase in fatal shootings when we compare the first six months of last year to the first six months of this year? So that's about three people are dying a day, who are being fatally shot by officers."
The Guardian has recorded even more deaths in 2015 and 2016, including deaths as a result of tasering, collisions with police vehicles and altercations in police custody.
The Washington Post journalists also collect information about the race of those shot by police. According to Kindy, about half are white, and about half are from minorities, but adjusting for the size of the populations, Kindy says, "minorities are definitely being shot at a higher rate than whites"
This is particularly noticeable in the case of the black population.
"Blacks are being shot at a rate that's 2.5 times higher than whites," Kindy says.
The big question is whether that is evidence that the police are discriminating against African Americans. There's an obvious argument that it is: African Americans are just 13% of the US population, and yet 26% of the people killed by the police.
But there's another way to look at these numbers. Nearly 50% of convicted murderers in the US are African Americans. Why that number is so high is a difficult question to answer. So is the question why African Americans are also far more likely than whites to be murder victims.
The point is that if African Americans are more likely to be involved in violent crime - both as perpetrators and victims - then the higher rate of police shootings may not be surprising.

Part 3 # of Cops in US

In 2008, state and local law enforcement agencies employed more than 1.1 million people on a full-time basis, including about 765,000 sworn personnel (defined as those with general arrest powers). Agencies also employed approximately 100,000part-time employees, including 44,000 sworn officers.

Law enforcement in the United States - Wikipedia

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Part 4 Cop Convictions
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/police-shooting-convictions_us_5695968ce4b086bc1cd5d0da

Many people viewed 2015 as a year of reckoning for police, with continued scrutiny of the use of deadly force spurring momentum for reform. In reality, however, the road to accountability remains a long one.

That point is clearly reflected in the number of police officers who were convicted on murder or manslaughter charges last year for fatally shooting a civilian in the line of duty.

In 2015, that number was zero.

And that?s not unusual. No officers were convicted on such charges in 2014 either.

In fact, since 2005, there have only been 13 officers convicted of murder or manslaughter in fatal on-duty shootings, according to data provided to The Huffington Post by Philip Stinson, an associate professor of criminology at Ohio?s Bowling Green State University. Stinson?s data doesn?t include cases in which civilians died in police custody or were killed by other means, or those in which officers only faced lesser charges.


Key numbers
50 officers killed a year feloniously
1000 Civilians killed by cops a year
1.1 Million Police officers
Less than 1 murder/manslaughter conviction a year of police officers

Conclusion

I think you are on the wrong side of who should be scared

900% of 50 Out of 1.1 Million - Post a link to where you got your numbers - I checked MSNBC & CNN but couldn't find them

I think a cop should be vigilant at all times - Not just when black people are involved. If a cop performs their duty and their actions reflect the Law Enforcement Oath of Honor they took when becoming a police officer then you will find no bigger supporter and admirer than myself. If they recite that oath and then fail to perform by those standards then I root for them to fall butt naked backwards on to a bowl of dicks.

Generally, state and local police officers take the Law Enforcement Oath of Honor at the beginning of their careers. The oath affirms their standards of integrity, bravery and honor to the community and law. The oath can vary slightly. For example, in Virginia, the words "...so help me God" are added at the end.

 

[dunclock]

"nary a word" :lol: who talks like that?

erybody :toast:

 

[ChrryBlstr]

Meanwhile, in Bangkok....

Peace!

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[smurphy]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/bal...d-alcohol-drugs-party-cop-shot-jordan-edwards

 

[Cie]

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/bal...d-alcohol-drugs-party-cop-shot-jordan-edwards

Glad he has been charged with murder

 

[Terryray]

I am growing tired of hearing about police brutality against blacks suspects when nary a word is mentioned about the fact that 13% of the population is committing 52% of the murders. If you were a policeman attempting to detain a black perpetrator, would you not be more vigilant given that black perps are 9 times more likely to kill you than white Perps?

well, we've inappropriately mixed up a few categories and data sets here.....blacks murder 9x more than whites, after you adjust for their percentage of the overall population. This 9x is a statistical mixture model, combining the subset of black murder into an overall population distribution, in an effort to provide context by showing how really disparate the data would look if these sub populations were actually (but certainly are not in reality) the same. But folks in this thread assume this fictitious mixture model is reality. It is not.

a quick glance at the latest FBI statistics on cops killed by black and whites show that since 2006, 289 cops have been killed by whites, 222 have been killed by blacks....cops are more likely to be killed by whites - but if there were as many black folks in US as white (which is not reality), then 9x more cops would have been killed by blacks..