Anyone know the Ivy teams well? Tomorrow!

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Sorry for jumping ahead, but this line for tomorrow jumped out at me: Cornell +3 @ Princeton.

Anyone know if Cornell has some injuries? Lost a player mid-season ala Harvard with Cusrworth. This line surprised me quite a bit.

What do you guys think?
 

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EIGHT MORE THINGS YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW
A Familiar Place Princeton is 4-2 at home this season and has limited those six opponents to 45 points per game in regulation time.

On The Defensive Princeton has limited its opponents to 37 assists and forced 87 turnovers in its six games at Jadwin Gym this season.

Home, Sweet Home Princeton has won nine of its last 11 home games dating back to last season. The Tigers won their final five Ivy League home games a year ago.

Not Too Deep Princeton has limited its seven Ivy League opponents to 21 combined three-point shots. The Tigers? last three opponents have combined to shoot 4 for 29 from three-point range.

Numbers Game The Tigers are 9-0 this season when they have a better field goal percentage than their opponent and 1-11 when their opponent has a better field goal percentage.

A Step Beyond Princeton is shooting 38% from three-point range in its 10 victories this season and 31% from three-point range in its 11 defeats this season.

The New Guys Princeton has started three freshmen (Marcus Schroeder, Lincoln Gunn, Zach Finley) in each of its last seven games.

Chances Are... Princeton has been in a one-possession game with fewer than 10 minutes left in each of its six Ivy League defeats this season.
 

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CORNELLGETTING INSIDE

Cornell knew last week would go a long way toward defining its Ivy League season. Two wins would allow the Big Red to become a serious contender in the league standings. Two losses would drop the Big Red back into the pack. A 1-1 finish would leave them stuck somewhere in the middle.

"Every game in this league is a big game because a loss hurts you so much in terms of winning the championship," freshman forward Ryan Wittman said. "We (play) two very good teams, so after this weekend, if we take care of a few things, we should know where we stand."

With dramatic home wins over Brown (61-59) and Yale (60-59), Cornell (13-9) finds itself tied with Yale for second place in the Ivy League standings at 6-2, just behind league leader Penn at 6-1.

There's still a lot of basketball to be played, with six games left on Cornell's Ivy League schedule, including games at Penn on Saturday and Yale on Feb. 23. In the meantime, the Big Red will play at Princeton on Friday, the first of four consecutive road games.

"We put ourselves in position to be in contention over the next six games, three weeks," Cornell coach Steve Donahue said. ?That's what we did. That's all we did, and that's what we wanted.

"I feel happy for our seniors because they've been through so much, and now they've played a real meaningful game in February. It's just great stuff."

NOTES, QUOTES
? With a two-point win over Brown and a 1-point win over Yale last week, Cornell has earned four of its six Ivy League wins by a total of 12 points. The Big Red's past three games have been decided by a total of four points, with two losses and one loss in that span.

? Cornell has won six of its past seven Ivy League games heading into Friday's game at Princeton. The Big Red has also won four of its past five games against Princeton, including a 55-35 home win over the Tigers on Jan. 13 and two consecutive wins at Princeton's Jadwin Gymnasium.

Cornell will play its next four games on the road but the Big Red has enjoyed a significant degree of success on the road this season, with a 5-5 road record overall and 2-1 road record in the Ivy League.

? Cornell's next victory will give the Big Red 14 wins, surpassing last season's win total when it finished 13-15 overall. The Big Red needs two more wins to match last season's eight wins in Ivy League play. One more win will also guarantee a .500 regular season for the first time since 1996-97 and a third consecutive Ivy League season of .500 play or better.

? While Penn and Princeton have dominated the Ivy League over the years Cornell is the last team other than Penn or Princeton to win the Ivy's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament. The Big Red went 11-3 in league play and 17-10 overall during the 1987-88 season, running off 11 consecutive league wins at one point during the season.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "I was telling the guys on the court, this is the most important win we've had since I've been here." ? Cornell senior center Andrew Naeve following the win over Yale.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL
After scoring 12.9 points per game, sinking a school-record 83 3-pointers and earning Ivy League rookie of the year honors as a freshman in 2005-06, sophomore guard Adam Gore was off to a strong start this season with 20 points in the season opener, only to suffer a knee injury in the final 30 seconds of the 64-61 win over Northwestern. Gore will now miss the remainder of the season. The Big Red is also playing without senior Jason Hartford forward/center (offseason foot surgery). Foot and wrist injuries limited Hartford to 21 games in 2005-06, his first at Cornell after transferring from a junior college. Coach Steve Donahue recently confirmed that Hartford will sit out the rest of the season but could still play in 2007-2008 if the Ivy League approves his petition for an extra season of eligibility. Junior Khaliq Gant is still attempting to return to full strength and mobility after suffering two dislocated two vertebrate during a practice on Jan. 24, 2006.

Even though he might never play again the team has been inspired by his attitude and work ethic. Two other transfers, Collin Robinson from USC and 7-foot Jeff Foote from St. Bonaventure, are helping the Big Red in practice on a daily basis.

PLAYER ROTATION: Usual Starters ? G Graham Dow, G Louis Dale, G-F Ryan Whittman, F Ugo Ihekweazu, C Andrew Naeve. Key Subs ? G Jason Battle, G/F Geoff Reeves, F/C Brian Kreefer, F Alex Tyler.

GAME REVIEW: Harvard 65, Cornell 64

Cornell 61, Brown 59

Cornell 60, Yale 59

GAME PREVIEW: At Princeton, Friday, Feb. 16

At Penn, Saturday, Feb. 17

At Yale, Friday, Feb. 23

At Brown, Saturday, Feb. 24

KEYS: Even with five freshmen and sophomores among the team's top six scorers, Cornell has become a patient, smart basketball and learned to take better care of the ball. Those are critical qualities for a team that continues to keep games close and give itself a chance to get over the hump down the stretch.

ROSTER REPORT: While so much of the attention on Cornell tends to shine on freshmen perimeter players Louis Dale and Ryan Wittman, senior center Andrew Naeve remains a solid fixture in the middle for Cornell. He made the biggest impact for the Big Red in wins over Brown and Yale last weekend, averaging 13.0 points, 11.0 rebounds, 2.5 blocks and 1.5 steals while shooting 59 percent from the floor. The senior had double-double efforts in both games and player perhaps his best game of the season in Cornell's biggest game of the season, with 9 points, three rebounds and two key offensive boards in the final 10 minutes against Yale.

While Dale, Wittman and freshman forward Alex Tyler have combined to win the Ivy League rookie of the week honor 10 times this season, none of the three won the award last week. They still came through with a big week, combining to average nearly 37 points in last week's games.

Dale and Wittman have been key players for Cornell all season while Tyler is just now finding a more significant role on the team. After winning Rookie of the Week the previous week Tyler came back with 12 points and seven rebounds against Yale.
 

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PRINCETON

GETTING INSIDE
It's bad enough for Princeton that the gap between Penn and itself grows wider by the week.

It's even worse that the gap between the Tigers and the rest of the Ivy League continues to widen the deeper into the conference season Princeton travels.

Either Penn or Princeton has won at least a share of the Ivy League championship 42 times in the past 50 years. However, Penn has won six of the past eight, including the past two, and Princeton already finds itself out of the league race this season with seven games left on its schedule.

With a 48-35 loss at Penn on Tuesday, the Tigers dropped to 10-11 overall, 1-6 in the Ivy League. Now they sit all alone in last place. If not for a 74-68 double-overtime home win over Harvard last Friday, things would be even worse for the Tigers in their third season under coach Joe Scott.

"It's hard to win," said Scott. "We've got to get back to learning how to win."

The Tigers appeared to be on the right road at one point during their non-league schedule, winning five of seven at one point, including wins over Marshall, Rice and Iona.

"The non-conference (schedule) was about us learning how to win. And we were doing that," Scott said. "We got derailed. I could list about five reasons. (Kyle) Koncz, our best guy (leading scorer), getting hurt. A whole bunch of things I could say. And what you learn is, boy, you really have to ingrain that habit of winning into your bodies and into your heads because it leaves you pretty quickly."

While the Tigers still hold a mathematical chance to win the league, it doesn't take an Ivy League mathematics professor to see that those odds are somewhere between slim and none. That means the Tigers are now playing for pride and for the future.

"We've got good young players," Scott said last week. "We start three freshmen (guards Lincoln Gunn and Marcus Schroeder and center Zach Finley). So we've got to learn how to get better, we've got to learn how to win, we've got to learn how to win consistently."

NOTES, QUOTES
? By scoring just 35 points against Penn on Tuesday Princeton has scored 35 points in three of its six Ivy League losses this season. Over seven games, the Tigers are last in the league at 1-6 and rank last in the league with 48.7 points per game and a team field-goal percentage of .375.
? The Penn game was all too typical for Princeton, with the Tigers making only 14-of-45 shots (.311) and 4-of-19 3-pointers. The Tigers even missed half of their six free throws and committed 17 turnovers. "We get some pretty good shots," coach Joe Scott said. "We get some layups. We struggle to score. I'm happy with our effort. I thought we executed pretty well there."

? One of the worst things about the Penn loss was the way the Tigers fell apart in the second half. With the game tied at 29-29 Penn seven missed shots and six turnovers over its next 10 possessions. Penn scored the next 12 points and the Tigers never threatened again. "I thought we competed hard and did what we had to do to give ourselves a chance to win," said Scott. "It was 29-all, and we struggled to score after that."

? Even though the schedule favors Princeton with five home games among its seven remaining games, that's not the advantage it could be. The Tigers are 4-2 at home this season, 1-1 in Ivy League home games.

QUOTE TO NOTE: "When I say what can we do better as a staff to help these guys in situations, I'm encouraged. ... We're doing things that are supposed to be the things that make you win. Now we're going to sit there and see what we can do to try to develop guys who do those things and what can we do to help them do the other things too that finish off that stuff." ? Princeton coach Joe Scott.

STRATEGY AND PERSONNEL
Princeton's current starting lineup includes three freshmen and a senior former walk-on (Justin Conway) who had played one career minute prior to January 29, 2006. Luke Owings' 53 career starts and 98 career games are the most on the team. Noah Savage is second on the team in games played with 76.

PLAYER ROTATION: Usual Starters ? G Marcus Schroeder, G Lincoln Gunn, F Noah Savage, F Zach Finley, C Justin Conway. Key Subs ? F Kyle Koncz, F Luke Owings, F Michael Strittmatter, G Edwin Buffmire.

GAME REVIEW: Princeton 74, Harvard 68, 2OT

Dartmouth 45, Princeton 44

Penn 48, Princeton 35

GAME PREVIEW: Vs. Cornell, Friday, Feb. 16

Vs. Columbia, Saturday, Feb. 17

At Dartmouth, Friday, Feb. 23

At Harvard, Saturday, Feb. 24

KEYS: The Tigers don't score a ton of points but they don't always have to when they're playing defense for the full 35 seconds and making opponents do the same on the other end. That hasn't happened in their past five games, all road losses. The Tigers are young and still making the adjustment to coach Joe Scott's offensive system, but they won't get things turned around in the Ivy League until they play better defense, execute better on offense and hit a higher percentage of their 3-pointers.

ROSTER REPORT: With Princeton looking for some kind of a spark, junior forward Noah Savage earned his first three starts of the season and scored in double figures against both Harvard and Dartmouth. He had a season-high 16 points in the win against Harvard, going 5-of-9 from the field, and then had a team-high 12 points against Dartmouth in addition to three assists and four rebounds. He then slipped to 2 points and played only 12 minutes in the loss to Penn.

Even though junior forward Kyle Koncz is back in the rotation he's still less than 100 percent because of the nagging effects of a stress fracture in his foot. Koncz, who leads low-scoring Princeton with just 8.8 points per game, scored 6 points in 23 minutes during the double-overtime win over Harvard on Friday but did not play at all on Saturday against Dartmouth. He came back to play 20 minutes against Penn on Tuesday and finished with 6 points and seven rebounds.
With Koncz out of the lineup, Princeton has started three freshmen through the past four games, with Marcus Schroeder and Lincoln Gunn at guards and Zach Finley replacing Koncz in the frontcourt. While Schroeder and Gunn have started all season and combine to average 13.6 points, 4.5 rebounds, 4.7 assists, 3.6 turnovers and 2.6 steals per game, Finley has started 10 of 21 games with mixed results. It remains to be seen just how long Finley will continue to start after playing only 23 minutes over the past three games, with 4 points and no rebounds in that span.

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Thanks for passing the info along.

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Used to be a poster in here by the name of SuperBook-he was a great Ivy Lague capper-have not seen him psot for a long time--GL Liking Yale myself
 

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Cornell lost its best player in a win over Northwestern very early in the year, but I don't of anything since. I fancy myself a pretty decent Ivy handicapper, but I likely won't get a look at the games until tomorrow.
 

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Sorry for jumping ahead, but this line for tomorrow jumped out at me: Cornell +3 @ Princeton.

Anyone know if Cornell has some injuries? Lost a player mid-season ala Harvard with Cusrworth. This line surprised me quite a bit.

What do you guys think?

As of right now Cornell has no injuries, their top 9 in the rotation all played in their wins over Yale & Brown last wk. Cashed with the Big Red (ML) play on sat and beat them with brown and the points on fri. This is a funny line, I guess they have to make the Tigers the chalk @ home but Cornell has won in this series 4 of 5 (su) and the last two on the road , when Princeton was Princeton and had the better team. If the line stays @ 3, the money will be all over the Red, Cornell will draw the action whatever the line is. Princeton on the short turn around after whats become common place in the Ivy for them this yr, a terrible performance against Penn tuesday night. I can't remenber a Princeton team that has as much trouble putting the ball in the basket as this one. Against Penn @ the Palestra they shot 31% from the floor and 21% from 3..... Somethings wrong with this team and think Joe Scott should be looking for a job next yr. I don't know what the **** he's coaching but its not Princeton Basketball. It's a good thing Pete Carril is still living because he would be spinning in his grave.
 

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If the line stays @ 3, the money will be all over the Red, Cornell will draw the action whatever the line is.

Do you really think so? Based on last weekend's spreads, I'd say that the Princeton name still carries a lot of weight.
 

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Do you really think so? Based on last weekend's spreads, I'd say that the Princeton name still carries a lot of weight.

Last wks lines may have favored Princeton but the cash didn't. Crib has it 61% for Cornell tonight. NOTE : Princeton couldn't beat a Darthmouth team that played without Pattman their leading scorer. Pattman is listed as a (?) against Yale tonight. Cornell is looking to easy, maybe easy will be right tonight. Sometimes a team is better than their record, not this Priceton in conference play so far. It's hard to figure because this is the same team that beat Penn @ the Palestra last yr in OT. Koncz has been hurt but he actually played better in the loss tuesday than he did in the OT win last yr against Penn. The other (5) owings, conway, savage, strittmatter and steuerer combined for 13 pts. All thats' left is pride for the Tigers, It hasn't showed up yet.
 

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QUOTE TO NOTE: "I was telling the guys on the court, this is the most important win we've had since I've been here." ? Cornell senior center Andrew Naeve following the win over Yale.

Game vs league-leader PENN on deck / won 4 of 5 against Princeton / potential soft spot for Cornell IMO

GL - LA Burns
 
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