Anyone Who Thinks Ou Will Not Be Ready For Mizzou Read This!

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Anyone who thinks OU won't be ready for Mizzou..Think again
Whether this article was true or not; it has gotten OU's attention as Pinkel compared OU's def to a MAC team

NORMAN, Okla. - If the University of Missouri football team wants to find third-ranked Oklahoma dozing or looking ahead Saturday to its showdown next week with second-ranked Texas, those hopes have been dashed by comments improperly attributed to MU coach Gary Pinkel.

"You want to call us out? We'll just see what happens," Oklahoma safety Eric Bassey said, later adding, "We want to dominate the game, so when we leave that field on Saturday there's no doubt in anybody's mind that we're not only a great defense but maybe one of the best defenses that college football has ever seen."

But Bassey and his teammates are reacting not to Pinkel but to a scam. Because the comments deemed offensive and ascribed to Pinkel were manufactured and passed on to the team in the form of a forged Kansas City Star article.

Although the perpetrator remains unclear, the counterfeit article was manipulated, printed out and presented to the OU defense Monday afternoon.

"I've got no idea about any of that," Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops said. "It's not for me to comment on."

Pinkel also declined to comment.

Reports conflicted on whether the article also had been posted on the bulletin board in the Sooners' locker room, but it was from the locker room that OU administrative assistant Matt McMillen retrieved it for reporters Tuesday.

Highlighted in the story under Star reporter Mike DeArmond's byline were the following quotes, which DeArmond said Tuesday he had never written nor heard Pinkel say:

"I don't want to say a lot that will give them bulletin-board material, but just let me say that after watching game film on them vs. South Florida they seem very Vulnerable right now."

"They have a great defense, but I have seen teams in the Mac that I feel were just as good. We certainly feel like we know how to attack there style of play."

The improper use of "there," the random capitalization of "Vulnerable" and the reference to the Mid-American Conference as the Mac instead of MAC were among oddities that made the story appear bogus. It also would have been out of character for Pinkel to make inflammatory statements.

Not that that necessarily matters to Oklahoma.

When linebacker Lance Mitchell was told Pinkel would be unlikely to wave a red flag at the Sooners, Mitchell said: "Well, it's already waved. There's no taking it back now until after the fourth quarter (Saturday). Hopefully, we'll see their white flag" then. Perhaps unreasonably, Mitchell also said the comments made him feel as if he had been stabbed in the back.

It's unclear whether the article was fabricated on the Internet and then passed on to the OU staff, or whether a member or members of the staff did the tinkering. Several players said OU defensive coordinator Mike Stoops had made a ruckus about the article during the Monday meeting, but Mike Stoops said he didn't know where the article came from.

When told the article was phony, he asked, "Who put that out?" Told that's what he was being asked, he said, "Just showed up in our office." He suggested a fan perhaps had sent it in or that one of the secretaries or graduate assistants in the football office found it in a routine daily Internet search for pertinent news.

While denying any knowledge of how it was produced, Mike Stoops smiled and said, "That's pretty good. I like it." But co-defensive coordinator Brent Venables said, "I hope (the players) don't need that to get motivated."

Need it or not, they've got it.

"I don't know if we're a MAC defense or not," Bassey said, "but we'll see come game time."

Mizzou's Roberson is questionable

Missouri reserve running back Tyrone Roberson's availability for the Oklahoma game remained undetermined Tuesday.

Roberson, a sophomore from Pattonville High, spent Saturday night in a hospital in Columbia, Mo., after he began feeling woozy several hours after the Tigers beat Troy State 44-7.

According to an athletics department spokesman, doctors still are unsure what caused Roberson's symptoms. He was involved in a helmet-to-helmet collision with Trojans safety Damien Coleman late in the second quarter. Coleman, who immediately lost feeling in his limbs but since has regained nearly all movement, was removed from the field on a stretcher and also was hospitalized overnight.

Roberson apparently showed no ill effects after the play. He sat out Sunday's practice, then returned Tuesday wearing a red "no-contact" jersey. Roberson was unavailable to comment Tuesday, and MU coach Pinkel refused to discuss the situation.

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Everyone wants to talk about how bad OU's offense is and yes they have problems but did they not score 37 points to a great Bama team who some say has the best front 7 in college football and are now favored over the number 6 team in the nation. For some reason people are saying Bama should have beaten OU and yes they had a chance but that is why they play 60 minutes not 57. OU's 1st team defense has basically given up one TD drive all year; Bama needed 2 onside kicks; 1 blocked fg, 1 fake fg for a td, 1 blocked punt for a td and they still lost by 10 points.
Mizzou has played ball state, troy state, and illinois and got blasted by bg and now they beat OU straight up. Think again. Realize Texas is coming up but OU coaches have been talking the last 3 weeks about conference play and Smith and company take a large step up in competition. OU is not Troy State and this game is reminicent of last year when they went on the road with their offense looking just as bad and everyone saying Tech would win and OU goes in and blasts them 30-13. And while we are on the subject of Texas, Tech, and A&M lets take a look at some of the comments made by Felonious Monk (the biggest Texas homer I have heard and that is saying alot) did he not take La Tech last week calling A&M's pass defense "suspect"...1st if all that is an asinine statement. Just ask Luke McCown QB for La Tech who after the A&M game said "I played Miami my freshman year in the Orange Bowl and they had the #2 defense in the nation and they have nothing on A&M's defense; they are just a bunch of big, mean guys who want to kill me. I guess Luke does not feel that A&M's defense is suspect considering they got 10 fd (2 in the 1st half) and 251 yds total offense (37 in the 1st half) so before Monk and Freeze take Tech (a team that can't run the ball just like La Tech) on the road to beat A&M..again Think again; will lay the 6.5 as Tech will serve it up like they always do when the step up in competition and trust me I think A&M will be more up for Tech than La Tech. By the way nice pick on Neb over ISU monk; almost happened......Lastly Dr. Freeze when you talk about Texas beating OU this year; can I ask you one question; have you seen Texas play this year; they have played noone and I mean noone; they gave up 8 sacks to north texas and had 37 yards total offense in the 2nd half; they looked terrible in the 1st half against Tulane and if there defense wasn't as good as it is as well as special teams who seem to set up every Texas score the scores in those games would not be as nearly lopsided as they turned out. Yes OU's offense has not looked very good but I have seen 3 of the 4 Texas games and they dont look any better and if you saw those games you would agree with me. You did get one thing right OU has a terrible punter but special teams mistakes can be fixed and with Clayton back this week OU's offense should look better; and when they face Texas (OU's defense against a pocket passer) they will be ready as talent is equal if not greater on OU's side so it will come down to coaching and OU coaches have been preparing for this game last 4 weeks (this week only MISSOU) and I will take Stoops over Brown anyday.
 

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Texas had 8 yds in the second half in a game that was out of hand dude.....that is like saying SF scored 14 unanswered against OU and using that for reasoining for a play......

you can find an opinion to make a play based on ANYTHING these days....speculation and observations are two different things and how observations affect speculations is what we try to do....

my speculations are based on my opinions....i am not going to make my bets based on your opinions so being all militant about things is not worthwhile.....

you seem to be a homer for OU and a generator of OU hype.....you are no different IMO than the Texas hype machine.....people should take everything you say and throw it into the trash because you see your team through rose-colored glasses.....you love OU and hate Texas and this affects your handicapping errrrr gambling....

my recommendation to you would be to make small bets because you will invariably hit close to 50% and be a long term loser should you keep gambling......

you may be right with OU this weekend or the next but i caution you in being so bold about going into Mizzou with a horrible QB, O-Line and special teams....thats my opinion and you can can read it and agree or disagree....no need to be all militant about your team....reminds me of the T-Sips
 

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I think KStates D is alot better then OUs this year from what I have seen thus far. I just think OU sucks(from there standard). Iam not a Big 12 junkie - and I`ll be the first to admit I dont know much about them - but I dont think they can hang with Texas - KState - Iowa St. They can have all the D they want - Pinkel has 3 things on the offense that every coach wants....

1 - running game
2 - WRs
3 - a very good QB

You gotta respect all 3 of those - not easy....

14 at home/overrated OU/Pinkel on the rise - I like my chances
 

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chill bones and dont believe the hype..

The Oklahoma Sooners have some juicy bulletin-board material for their Big 12 Conference football game at Missouri this Saturday.

There's just one problem: It's bogus.

In a fake story credited to the Kansas City Star, Mizzou Coach Gary Pinkel was quoted as comparing OU's defense to some he saw in the Mid-American Conference as the head coach at Toledo. The comments appeared in what looked like an article posted on the Star's Web page. But the Star's real Web site has no such story, for good reason. There isn't one.

"I couldn't help but chuckle about it," said Star sports writer Mike DeArmond, whose byline appeared over the fake story. "I don't much care, as long as people know it's bogus."

Nevertheless, the story appeared on the bulletin board in the OU locker room, and players were incensed to read Pinkel supposedly say, "They have a great defense, but I have seen teams in the Mac (sic) that I feel were just as good."

Said linebacker Lance Mitchell: "Ouch. I've heard some comparisons, but never the MAC. Oh my God, that's pretty much embarrassing. It made me mad."

Sooners head coach Bob Stoops and his brother, Mike, the associate head coach and co-defensive coordinator, denied knowledge of the story's origination, although Mike Stoops brought it to the attention of his players at a team meeting on Monday.

"I haven't seen Mike Stoops that fired up about something another team did as long as I've known him," redshirt freshman safety Eric Bassey said.

After being told the story was bogus, Mike Stoops laughed and said, "That's pretty good. Who put that out?"

Good question, but a Big 12 official said the league probably isn't inclined to investigate.
 

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.....along the same lines

.....along the same lines

Missouri's Alden assured OU win
By DAVE SITTLER Tulsa World Sports Writer
10/2/2002
NORMAN -- Are you among those Oklahoma football fans who suddenly have some serious concerns about Your Heroes? And you're looking for a reason why you shouldn't be worried that the Sooners might get upset Saturday at Missouri?

No problem. Take a deep breath, relax and let me give you two reasons why OU will win: 1. Mike Alden. 2. Mike Stoops.

Or, to be more precise, OU will prevail because of what Missouri athletic director Mike Alden once said about OU co-defensive coordinator Mike Stoops.

Yes, I'm aware that athletic directors and defensive coordinators don't play the game. But just hang with me on this one for a few more paragraphs.

First, we need to flashback to late-November 2000, when Alden was looking for a head coach after he had just fired Larry Smith.

Local media members, aware that the Sooners' defensive coaching whiz was one of the hottest candidates among college assistants, asked Alden if he was interested in Stoops.

Alden dismissed Stoops' chances, telling a Kansas City Star reporter that he thought Stoops was too "volatile."

Now remember, Stoops had not even applied for the job. That didn't stop Alden from taking a very unprofessional approach with a one-word hatchet job on Stoops that eventually appeared in several newspapers.

If you don't like a coach, fine. But why take the chance of tainting his reputation and potentially hindering him in other job searches? Especially when you don't even know the guy?

Alden apparently based his opinion of Stoops on an incident that occurred two weeks earlier during OU's game at Texas A&M. National television cameras caught Stoops and OU cornerback Ontei Jones in a heated conversation on the sideline.

Alden then twisted the knife in his interview with the Star reporter when he praised Brent Venables, OU's co-defensive coordinator along with Stoops.

Venables was a mere 29 years old at the time. Not only is Stoops nine years older, he helped develop Venables' coaching skills at Kansas State and OU.

Thanks to Alden, Venables became an innocent victim in this sticky situation. After brushing off Stoops, Alden said he thought Venables was "a heck of a football coach. Heck of a motivator . . . I'm intrigued with the guy."

Venables eventually pulled his name out of consideration. Missouri hired Gary Pinkel away from Toledo, while Stoops and Venables stayed in Norman and helped lead the Sooners to the national championship a month later.

So what does this recent history lesson have to do with the outcome of this weekend's game at Faurot Field in Columbia, Mo.? How will an AD's flippant, cutting comment about an OU assistant coach help the Sooners avoid getting upset by the 14-point underdog Tigers?

Chock it up to a memory bank. Check that. Make it the two very long memories of a couple of brothers -- Mike and his older brother, OU head coach Bob Stoops.

The Stoops brothers are as close as they are competitive. Alden's comment wasn't lost on Bob Stoops, nor was it forgotten. Several weeks later, at an awards banquet in Arizona, Bob Stoops remained incensed over what he felt was a cheap shot fired at Mike.

While Mike Stoops would only say that he was disappointed in Alden's comment, Bob Stoops repeatedly defended his brother by noting that he had emotional outbursts with players when he was an assistant that would make Mike look like a choir boy.

Saturday night's game is the first between OU and Missouri since Alden's comment. Asked this summer if the inci dent would motivate him when the Sooners played the Tigers, Bob Stoops said, "Aw, I don't worry about those things."

Mike Stoops took a similar low-key approach Tuesday, telling a reporter: "You know me well enough to know that I get prepared for every game. This one is no different."

Mike Stoops tipped his hand a slight bit, however, when reminded that he previously had said he was disappointed in what Alden said about him.

"It's disappointing to anybody that doesn't know me and what I stand for," Mike Stoops said. "People can make assumptions. It makes you feel bad, but maybe he (Alden) was right. Everybody is entitled to their opinion."

Precisely. And it's my opinion that the Stoops brothers, primed by Alden's classless comment nearly two years ago, will be as emotionally juiced up for this game as any in their three-plus seasons at OU.

As it turned out, Alden probably ended up doing the Stoops brothers and the Sooners a huge favor. With OU's offense still struggling to find itself, Bob Stoops is more dependent than ever on his brother's defensive unit to carry the offense.

Players have to make the plays. But Mike Stoops has repeatedly demonstrated the impact a coach can have on a game. Especially a coach who possesses his defensive genius.

Perhaps OU's offense will commit too many turnovers against Missouri for the defense to overcome. Maybe the Sooners' suspect kicking game will falter and the running game will continue to sputter, giving the rapidly improving Tigers a shot at pulling off the upset.

But if recent history holds, the Mizzou offense could be in for a long evening.

"In the past, we've usually played great defense on the road since we've been here," Mike Stoops said. "This is a huge game for us, and we've got to play great defense again. So my motivation is pretty simple."

Sorry, Mike, I'm not buying it. For this game, the motivation factor is a lot more complicated. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it. Just like I think I know a couple of brothers who would love to stick it to a certain AD.
 

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btw, I have no affiliation with UT or OU, only the 15 losses in a row Golden Hurricane, --- only posted information I stumbled upon while reading the Tulsa World online and saw a relevant thread, did not mean to get in the middle of a "discussion".
 

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Wow, 26 whole paragraphs of absolutely nothing. You post a bogus report and follow it up with useless drivel and lame smack. I'm guessing you hate me because I asked you a legitimate question in another thread. BTW, you've yet to answer it.

If you're so confident in Oklahoma covering the spread, then bet the trailer on it. I could care less what you do. I'm sure you were just as confident last year when they played Okie St. at home and we all know what happened in that game.

General Custer thought he was going to win as well. Not only didn't he win, he didn't even cover the spread.

See you Oct. 12th! :fingerc:
 

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If you're so confident in Oklahoma covering the spread, then bet the trailer on it. I could care less what you do. I'm sure you were just as confident last year when they played Okie St. at home and we all know what happened in that game.
14-3 (one texas trailer for sale)
 

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14-3 (one texas trailer for sale)

Okie, this is just my opinion, I could be wrong, but if the game did end at 14-3, wouldn't Missouri be covering the spread? :shrug:

14-3 (one more sooner fan ruining it for others)
 

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1st of all Dr. Freeze lets make this crystal clear I am not an OU homer. A homer is someone like Felonious Monk who thinks Texas wins and covers every game and plays it that way. You also said that OU has a horrible QB pretty bold statement considering he is 13-1 as a starter, yes the O-line needs work and OU has had some special teams lapses but as far as punt coverage; kickoff coverage, kickoff returns and punt returns--OU is stout in those area; like I said you were right about one thing they have a horrible punter. And as far as me hitting 50%; I have been gambling since 1991 and am still in it today. And don't think a recommendation on 2 games constitutes my betting history.

As far as Hellah comments I will keep it brief; Missouri 3 wins have come against 3 teams who have beaten 2 team in Div I
(arkansas state and uconn) does that tell you anything; Pinkel will continue to be on the rise as long as he plays ball state and troy state every week.

Felonious Monk,
1st of all you have too much time on your hands.
2nd of all I think OU was pretty confident when they were a 3 pts dog to Texas last year and won 14-3; if you didn't figure out what OKD was saying that is what he meant. Its funny how everyone talks about how bad OU's offense is when Texas offense is ranked 51st in the country and have only had 5 drives over 50 yards in 4 games against terrible teams.
One last thing whens the last time Texas won a national championship...................................1969........ouch and how many do you have total....................2.......double ouch
 

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i don't think that anyone would debate that Hybl is garbage.....good grief.....what game have you been watching???

i think you or i would be 13-1 as a starter considering what the OU defense has done the last year and a half.....
 

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don't think that anyone would debate that Hybl is garbage


i would, hybl is does not have much of a line in front of him..

Hybl has been playing much better. by no means is he a stud. but i have seen worse...:shrug:
 

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A homer is someone like Felonious Monk who thinks Texas wins and covers every game and plays it that way.

OK now you're starting to talk out of your ass. I challenge you to find more than one thread where I've taken Texas this year. I played UNT the first game, took the under when they played Houston, and took UT over Tulane which all 3 bets covered. Nice try jackass but I'm no rookie at this.

I like how you're spinning everything into a "Texas sucks" debate. Congrats on your most recent national championship. Compared to the other coaches you guys hired, it appears Stoops hasn't cheated yet, a novelty for a winning coach at OU, and I have to respect the uniqueness of that situation. You still never answered my initial question on the other thread.

You know for someone who claims to not be an OU homer, you sure have all the symptoms of one. I've seen Okies like you before, always the same tiresome smack talk. "Stoops owns Mack, Chrissy sucks, you'll never win a NC, yada yada yada." You might even be tolerable if you were discuss your handicapping views without all of the bias anti-Texas banter.
 

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Felonious, you seem to be getting awfully upset over this. Yes, I called (and will continue to call) you a Texas Homer. You simply are.

I, however, have no affiliation and surely no love for OU, but if you are going to call me a "jackass" that's certainly "talking out of your ass" if I do say so myself. I will never call someone an "ass" for articulating their opinions. A "Homer" is as far as I will go.

What question are you referring to, Monk? All I see is that you claim OU never played anyone this year.... and I answered that OU beat Alabama who was a very good team.... I certainly don't "dodge" questions from some Texas Homer that gets hot and bothered when someone proves that the Longhorns aren't as good as the Texas Hype Machine claims it to be. It appears you and Chrissy Simms have the same menstrual cycle.

In actuality, I am a Colorado Buff fan... and I want to thank Mack Brown for starting Chris Simms last year so he could throw us 4 interceptions and give us the Big XII title last year in your backyard there in Dallas. I simply point out that Texas never plays anyone and then when they play someone (ie Oklahoma and Colorado) they serve it up like a Las Vegas whore around 3 am just off the strip. If Mack Brown had ONE brain cell, he would have had Applewhite in there last year and you guys may have won it all...... I am sure OU and us CU fans thank your Mackie coach for being an idiot. We like easy interceptions.

Thanks for congratulating me on my team's most recent national championship. We won it all in 1990. Thanks for your support.

For you to state I am some Okie or OU fan is rediculous just because I think OU is going to cover against Mizzou. OU is better than people think they are, and I think Texas (as always) is highly overrated. OU plays better when people doubt them.
You sound like the typical Texas Homer to me.... and for you to have trouble with this apparent constant OU slant on Texas that "Stoops owns Mack and Chrissy sucks and Texas will never win a NC yada yada yada..." WELL ITS TRUE!!!!!!

Now give me your question I supposedly am "not answering" and make it very clear what it is. If you can, ask it in bold lettering. Ask it plainly and clearly.

PS. I am never going to call you an "ass" or a "jackass" just because I disagree with you. I think you are just simply a typical Texas fan. Deal with it.

Double PS: You guys sure are putting it to Oklahoma State right now... 3-3. I guess now you're playing someone huh???????
 

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Sorry dude but you're a jackass.

You call me out and berate my plays for no reason at all. Until you can give me a valid reason for you doing that, i will continue to call you a jackass.

BTW, here's the link to my question: http://www.madjacksports.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=58056

Oh and sorry about calling you an Okie. I guess all of the OU sack riding you've done the past few days was just a slight indication. So tell me, how many national championships do the Buffs have now? Is it still at 1? I know your team sucks donkey balls but you don't have to take it out on me.

One last thing, nice call on the Aggies. Tech had 578 total net yards, 474 through the air. So tell me, is it still asinine of me to call the ags pass D "suspect"?

Please quit while you're behind.
 
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I have been playing against this AV diude for the past two weeks and have made $$$$. Missouri is the Play. Especially in the 1st Half:moon:
 
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