Are Casinos Cheating?

[StevieD]

I think we can all agree that online casino's cheat. But I am talking about real casino's. The advent of the penny slot machines has no doubt cut into winnings.
Years ago, it seemed like I couldn't walk through a casino without hearing someone screaming because they won a couple of thousand on a slot machine. With these penny slots a big hit seems to be 10 bucks. Or 1,000 units.
I notice on craps there are more crap and ouside numbers being thrown than 6's and 8's.
Maybe the laws of physics change when I walk in a casino. But it sure seems like they have become unbeatable. I used to do pretty good at craps. For the past couple of years I find the roll of the dice to be very strange.:shrug:

 

[The Joker]

I think we can all agree that online casino's cheat. But I am talking about real casino's. The advent of the penny slot machines has no doubt cut into winnings.
Years ago, it seemed like I couldn't walk through a casino without hearing someone screaming because they won a couple of thousand on a slot machine. With these penny slots a big hit seems to be 10 bucks. Or 1,000 units.
I notice on craps there are more crap and ouside numbers being thrown than 6's and 8's.
Maybe the laws of physics change when I walk in a casino. But it sure seems like they have become unbeatable. I used to do pretty good at craps. For the past couple of years I find the roll of the dice to be very strange.:shrug:

Agree.

 

[Axle]

I notice on craps there are more crap and ouside numbers being thrown than 6's and 8's.
Maybe the laws of physics change when I walk in a casino. But it sure seems like they have become unbeatable. I used to do pretty good at craps. For the past couple of years I find the roll of the dice to be very strange.:shrug:

If you've played craps long enough, you must have learned if the table is cold, get the hell out and find another one, there's always another game going on.....especially in Vegas.

 

[StevieD]

If you've played craps long enough, you must have learned if the table is cold, get the hell out and find another one, there's always another game going on.....especially in Vegas.

I am saying that over years of playing I am finding, the last two years, the rolls to be very strange. Especially at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun where I mostly play. I have gone from being a weekly player to less than once a month. It is always the same thing. Time after time. I can play the field for very short money, not push it, and make a profit. That seems to be the only way to win and at that it is a grind.
Not that the tables are cold. They are strange.

Also, I do not play much slots at all but I used to hear and see winners all the time. Now, never see it. Not saying no one wins but not winning like thwey used to. Again, I can only go Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun.

 

[hedgehog]

I think we can all agree that online casino's cheat. But I am talking about real casino's. The advent of the penny slot machines has no doubt cut into winnings.
Years ago, it seemed like I couldn't walk through a casino without hearing someone screaming because they won a couple of thousand on a slot machine. With these penny slots a big hit seems to be 10 bucks. Or 1,000 units.
I notice on craps there are more crap and ouside numbers being thrown than 6's and 8's.
Maybe the laws of physics change when I walk in a casino. But it sure seems like they have become unbeatable. I used to do pretty good at craps. For the past couple of years I find the roll of the dice to be very strange.:shrug:

It would be easy for a casino to cheat at craps, magnets, etc...I dont get to go to the casino's much as Texas does not have any:shrug: we have to go to Louisiana and with 2 small children it aint happening any time soon.

It would not shock me if they are cheating, although they have the house advantage anyway

 

[dunclock]

Especially at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun where I mostly play.

Could be wrong but were not these two "questioned" for the shaved dice?

 

[StevieD]

Could be wrong but were not these two "questioned" for the shaved dice?

I have heard about the shaved dice. Which is why I started playing the field. But I found I had to use a very small progession to win anything.
What I am seeing now is more seven's, which could be attributed to a cold table, but every so often the dice act right. Like someone selected the two that are not shaved. But a great percentage of the time the point is either 4 or 10.
This is not based on one trip. I am talking maybe 50 trips in two years.

 

[Axle]

Especially at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun where I mostly play.
Not that the tables are cold. They are strange.

I don't know where these two places are located....i make at least 2 trips to Vegas every year, stay 3 to 4 nights each. If you visited and play as much as you say you do, I guess you could see a bias in the dice where an occassional player could not........and if you are correct, play at your own risk.....

 

[StevieD]

I don't know where these two places are located....i make at least 2 trips to Vegas every year, stay 3 to 4 nights each. If you visited and play as much as you say you do, I guess you could see a bias in the dice where an occassional player could not........and if you are correct, play at your own risk.....

I don't play much anymore because of the bias. In fact, I stopped playing for a few months a couple of years ago. I took a trip to Atlantic City and said to myself, these dice are acting like dice are supposed to. So it was back to Conneticutt and the cheats.
Just trying to see if anybody else has noticed this. I am sure it can be beat. I tried a count system of not betting until I could tell if the shooter picked legit dice or shaved and had limited success with that too.
I have not been to Vegas in years.

 

[hedgehog]

I don't know where these two places are located....i make at least 2 trips to Vegas every year, stay 3 to 4 nights each. If you visited and play as much as you say you do, I guess you could see a bias in the dice where an occassional player could not........and if you are correct, play at your own risk.....

hopefully my wife and I can go to Vegas 2 times per year when our kids get older, only gambling I will do every year:SIB besides sports...

In the long run the casinos will win...it sure is fun trying to kick their ass though...

 

[ImFeklhr]

If some numbers are strangely coming up more than they should, isn't that something that could be taken advantage of... by you?

Bet on the don't side. Bet lots of field or 4's & 10's

Might actually be better than the dice being truly random and fair.

 

[marine]

so why aren't you becomming a Don't Pass better?

 

[StevieD]

Good points.
The Don't Pass doesn't work because the 7's on the come out roll really kill it.
The field, with a one or two times progression also seems to work.
Also betting the 4 and 10 and taking the money, not pressing.
Those systems worked about a year ago. Now they seem to have refined it somewhat.
I think now that all the dice are not shaved. Maybe 3 out of the mix. So a shooter may have 2 shaved or 2 legit. What I have not figured out is what to bet when the shooter has one of each.
I am thinking of trying the 5 count. Give the shooter 5 throws to try to figure out what he has for dice. Then play accordingly.

 

[hedgehog]

Good points.
The Don't Pass doesn't work because the 7's on the come out roll really kill it.
The field, with a one or two times progression also seems to work.
Also betting the 4 and 10 and taking the money, not pressing.
Those systems worked about a year ago. Now they seem to have refined it somewhat.
I think now that all the dice are not shaved. Maybe 3 out of the mix. So a shooter may have 2 shaved or 2 legit. What I have not figured out is what to bet when the shooter has one of each.
I am thinking of trying the 5 count. Give the shooter 5 throws to try to figure out what he has for dice. Then play accordingly.

Isn't there some sort of gaming commission? I guess it would be easy for them to be bought off with free play, etc...

 

[StevieD]

Isn't there some sort of gaming commission? I guess it would be easy for them to be bought off with free play, etc...

When there is this amount of money involved are you going to trust our government?

 

[yyz]

I think you sound like the typical guy on a bad run.

 

[StevieD]

I think you sound like the typical guy on a bad run.

No not really. I don't play slots but I notice there are very, very few winners. I notice the cashiers windows and the ticket machines and I see there are no lines there.

No need to call sour grapes. I am trying to get a discussion going and want to know if anyone else has noticed this.

I used to walk by the slots and I could see people winning. You would hear screams many times a night because someone hit for a couple of thousand. Don't hear that anymore.

And I know the dice are not acting right.

 

[yyz]

And I know the dice are not acting right.

And I know you're nuts.

 

[StevieD]

And I know you're nuts.

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Again, taken out of context that statement is the statement of a crazy man. But time after time with the same reults something has to be up.

I agree the Saints could lose to the Rams Sunday but if they play each other a hundred and the Rams continue to win something is wrong.

Not saying I should win everytime but the dice should not be showing 2 and 12 more than 6 and 8 week after week.

 

[yyz]

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Again, taken out of context that statement is the statement of a crazy man. But time after time with the same reults something has to be up.

I agree the Saints could lose to the Rams Sunday but if they play each other a hundred and the Rams continue to win something is wrong.

Not saying I should win everytime but the dice should not be showing 2 and 12 more than 6 and 8 week after week.

Your "week after week" doesn't mean shit. :shrug:

You are on a bad run, and that's all it is.

If what you are saying IS true, you already have the answer, and are too dumb to play it! Work the shit out of the horn and the field, and buy the place in a week!

But guess what? If you start doing that, you will start to notice how nothing but 6,7 and 8 show up "all the time".

As far as slots go, exhaustive research has been done on slot players, and most of them don't want "jackpots" anymore. That's why you don't see them as often. Players want far more frequent hits, so they feel like they are getting more bang for their buck.

Betty Bluehair wants her $20 to last a half hour in that penny machine before she has to reach into her purse, rather than go for another bill every ten minutes chasing the occasional $500 win.

Also, the casino has coinless slots, so we don't hear the "wins" like we used to. My GF and I hit two $1000 wins this week, and no one around us was any the wiser. The machine doesn't hoot and hollar, and coins don't spill out.......it just spits out a piece of paper.

When we lose, we see what we want to see. It really is that simple.

"I always get a 10 card when I hit 12!"

"The dealer never busts!"

"I always get a shitty card when I double down!"

"The shooter always sevens out when the dice leave the tabel!"

Same old stories. :sadwave: