Arnolds Calf!

[djv]

Starting to look like his honey moon is history. Boy did he take a licking in election yesterday. Looks like a couple Dem's won out east to. Even one where Bush showed up forthe Reb to give support. Right now is not a good time to have Bush show up.

 

[StevieD]

Bush is finally getting all Americans together again. Against him! :mj07: :mj07: :mj14: :mj07: :mj07:

 

[Nosigar]

Well deserved. That's what they get for trying to appease neo-socialists and so called "centrists" or the "non-interested in aything".

Let's get some things clear: The Republican party, or at least the current administration, does not represent true conservative values. As classical politicians they have tried to play both sides of the table. Dems or neo-socs will vote for Pol Pot without missing a beat or a gay bathhouse party... no problem as long as it's something stupid and even though it destroys society and is against regular people.
The one thing this administration had was going to war against terror. Yeah, in Iraq (thank God) in Afghanistan, etc. Of course, they couldn't fight a real war because they had to appease the wimps. And that was their downfall. And continues to be.

Sometimes I wish one of these covert commies wins the presidency so that we could see a real revolution in this country - A Counter-Revolution brought on after we see the destruction of our culture.

So, Dems, keep on winning. I'm counting on it, for a while. Conservatives will not go out and vote in mass, block style, like neo-socs do unless they are sure that who they vote for is worth it. Conservatives don't rely on pop media to tell them what to do or where to go, they usually analyze the issues and see the advantages of a certain position. Well, most of the time.

I'll tell you guys one thing though, the people in Kalifornia never disappoint, they will always act against the best common sense :mj07: . I feel sorry for politically savvy conservatives there. But then again, it could be worse, you could be in France.

 

[Nosigar]

I'll tell you guys one thing though, the people in Kalifornia never disappoint, they will always act against the best common sense :mj07: . I feel sorry for politically savvy conservatives there. But then again, it could be worse, you could be in France.

Or you could be Stevie's neighbor :scared

 

[IntenseOperator]

Or you could be Stevie's neighbor :scared

:mj13:

 

[Master Capper]

Sometimes I wish one of these covert commies wins the presidency so that we could see a real revolution in this country - A Counter-Revolution brought on after we see the destruction of our culture

Your closer to Communism under the current regime then you have been under any Dem's watch, perhaps you should substitute the word Socialism instead of communism then you would be more correct. Also,you could substitute Hitler as a person most neo-cons would vote for if he said the right things to push their buttons! As far as a revolution who would the neo-cons use to fight since surely they would not want to waste their time in battle or they would have better things to do in time of war like Dick Cheney.

 

[StevieD]

I agree with a lot of what you say this time Nosigar. Bush is no conservative. I have been saying that for years.
Not sure why you blame the wimps for losing the war though. Bush had both houses of congress and even most of the people behind him. Him, Cheney and Rumsfeld fought this war the way they wanted to. Could you please explain how the wimps made them fight different? If what you are saying is true I would think it would be an impeachable act to put our soldiers in harms way and not fight to win strictly for political reasons. I don't think I ever even said anything so strong against the crooked bastards..

 

[Nosigar]

Your closer to Communism under the current regime then you have been under any Dem's watch, perhaps you should substitute the word Socialism instead of communism then you would be more correct. Also,you could substitute Hitler as a person most neo-cons would vote for if he said the right things to push their buttons! As far as a revolution who would the neo-cons use to fight since surely they would not want to waste their time in battle or they would have better things to do in time of war like Dick Cheney.

You're closer to communism under the current regime?


WTF? :clap: Cool, man, sip the KoolAid.
I will agree that the Bushites cater to the minority, but communism is something you know nothing about and it it insulting for you to compare any US government to communism. You people are bastards and manipulators of cliche's. You have no fuqing idea of what a totalitarian government is like. "Yes, I am offended so please pass a law to impede anybody from pronouncing those words again in my presence" :mj07: Stupid dumbasses.

As for neo-cons voting for a Hitler, sure it's possible but only after liberal radicalism dominates and corrupts a culture to the point of pissing off regular people and they resort to believing some radical leftist like Hitler who uses so-called conservative ideals to get into power. Don't you see that any government that takes on more power than it should and is allowed by natural law is by definition onthe left of the political spectrum? The neo-cons would be the only ones to destroy a Hitler or any other totalitarian regardless of the popular propaganda he or she uses to get in power.

In case you didn't know Hitler's rise to power came only after many years of decadent behavior in the early 20th century Germany. Appeasing and spend-happy governments and elites, extreme libertinism and public promiscuity all led to the people getting pissed off and voting for the only guy at the time who ran a campaign against that BS. Sound familiar? Not quite there yet, but you can see my fear.

 

[Master Capper]

WTF? Cool, man, sip the KoolAid.
I will agree that the Bushites cater to the minority, but communism is something you know nothing about and it it insulting for you to compare any US government to communism. You people are bastards and manipulators of cliche's. You have no fuqing idea of what a totalitarian government is like. "Yes, I am offended so please pass a law to impede anybody from pronouncing those words again in my presence" Stupid dumbasses.

Sounds like you and DTB have been drinking from that same watering hole that serves the Limbaugh Codeine Cocktails! I do take back the statement that you are closer to Communism under the current regime, but I would insert the word Fascism instead of communism for the current regime. Unfortunately, I tend to agree with you that we are on the path regardless of party to a state of Socialism since we have become too reliant on the government in our everyday lives and the government under Bush has become too large and at the same time has began to gradually erode our rights. As I am sure you are aware Socialism is the stepping stone between Capitalism and Communism!


As for neo-cons voting for a Hitler, sure it's possible but only after liberal radicalism dominates and corrupts a culture to the point of pissing off regular people and they resort to believing some radical leftist like Hitler who uses so-called conservative ideals to get into power. Don't you see that any government that takes on more power than it should and is allowed by natural law is by definition onthe left of the political spectrum? The neo-cons would be the only ones to destroy a Hitler or any other totalitarian regardless of the popular propaganda he or she uses to get in power.

Do you really believe the text you just posted? Only Neo_Cons could remove a Hitler type from power, hmmm perhaps you never heard of Wilson, Truman or Roosevelt three Dem's that history has judged to be pretty good war time Presidents!

In case you didn't know Hitler's rise to power came only after many years of decadent behavior in the early 20th century Germany. Appeasing and spend-happy governments and elites, extreme libertinism and public promiscuity all led to the people getting pissed off and voting for the only guy at the time who ran a campaign against that BS. Sound familiar? Not quite there yet, but you can see my fear.

Spend happy big govt and cronies, hmm that sounds like our current administration! As far as your public indecency, whom do you propose sets the standards for what is morally correct and what is deemed indecent? Should we rely on people like Pat Robertson, Jerry Fallwell, Tom Delay or Bill Frist to tell us what is morally acceptable? I do agree with you that I also do not like the way this country is currently headed but to place the blame completely at the feet of the Dem's like you propose is not correct and is completely out of touch with reality.

 

[kosar]

Not sure why you blame the wimps for losing the war though. Bush had both houses of congress and even most of the people behind him. Him, Cheney and Rumsfeld fought this war the way they wanted to. Could you please explain how the wimps made them fight different?

I'm interested in this as well. I guess I never quite get it when people say that the liberals/media/wimps are holding us back. It's simply an excuse to cover up the incompetent strategy(sic) and plan and the whole idea to begin with.

If the wimps weren't around, what exactly would you do differently?

 

[smurphy]

You're closer to communism under the current regime?

What the government has done this year to aid the oil industry is much closer to unfair state-run enterprise than any thing left has done the past 30 years. Add to that their ideas of more control on the media. There are several things that we've seen under this administration that would be proclaimed as communist from right wing pundits if the parties in power were reversed.

If you are for free enterprise, freedom of speech, and see the media as an extension of both - then I just don't know what you can like in the current supposedly conservative administration.

 

[Nosigar]

If the wimps weren't around, what exactly would you do differently?

Shoot to kill when confronting the enemy, and stay there afterward, without fear of an investigation.
It is pretty simple. Not every shooting incident is a My Lai (pronounced My Lie).

Here's the problem, you guys really think that conservatives are like libs when voting or emmiting opinions. Most conserves could care less if a Republican or Democrat is the leader as long as conservative positions are taken (it ain't gonna happen but let's make believe). You guys just follow the Dem du jour or radical du jour. You think that all conservatives are republicans like most minorities are democrats. Sorry, not so. It just happens that the republicans have known how to or have been forced to take the conservative position or at least campaign on conservative ideals.
i don't light a sacred candle for Rummy, Cheney, Bush or Condi. Though I may be inclined to light a candle under their arses at times.
When i say appeasement by the administration (and wow, do libs get defensive on this one) I'm referring to the Clinton-style policies based on daily popular polls. I mean, if that were the way to go, we could get the BCS computer to run the country and save some grief, huh?

 

[kosar]

You yourself are painting with a pretty broad brush, Nosigar. My criticism of this administration has been very narrowly, almost exclusively focused on this Iraq occupation.

You guys just follow the Dem du jour or radical du jour.

Since you quoted my comment in your response, i'll assume that i'm one of 'you guys', in your opinion. Your comment could not be further from the truth. I don't follow any Dem du jour, and DEFINITELY no radical du jour. In fact, at this time, i'm really trying to identify even one democrat that I would be excited to see run in 2008.

As far as ignoring polls and 'staying the course', well, that makes a nice soundbite and you certainly avoid the flip-flop comments. However, it also shows arrogance and obstinence to totally ignore what the citizens of your country want.

Sure, you can't react and overreact every time the wind blows a different direction, but at what point do you man up, admit that you made a mistake, and try something different?

Just because someone is against this particular war, does not mean that they are Democrat, liberal, commie or neo-socialist.

 

[Nosigar]

Since you quoted my comment in your response, i'll assume that i'm one of 'you guys', in your opinion

Actually not referrig to you personally. I just don't know how to do the various quote thingies so I just left it at one.
Now I'll read your response.

 

[Chadman]

Funny how much the name calling and anger is rising in the conservatives these days. There is more BS name calling and generalizing in this nosigar thread than any I've read in a long time. Now...the new talking point seems to be, it's the liberals fault that they cannot win the war ANYwhere. Nice try...liberals voted to give you the authority to go to war, voted to continue funding it, and now it's their fault the conservatives cannot fight the way they want to.

Sad, really. It gets harder and harder to face reality, and admit when you are wrong. The logic becomes more and more ridiculous. Keep trying...it is good humor.

 

[Master Capper]

Most conserves could care less if a Republican or Democrat is the leader as long as conservative positions are taken (it ain't gonna happen but let's make believe)

Nosigar,

In your opinion what are true conservative positions?

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

lol @ people getting exited about Arnold's bills going down....in a BLUE STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hell San Francisco voted against Arnold by about 80%.

LMAO what do you expect?? You liberals are just soo desperate that a liberal victory in a liberal state is such a big victory for you lol. Pretty sad. I guess you liberals don't really have anything to be proud of regarding your own party so you have to resort to tooting your horn about something that doesnt even effect you. Your political party has no ideas, no agenda, no strategy, no leadership, and no accomplishments. That's why you whine and cry and point fingers at others.

LMAO @ Stevie D saying that ALL Americans are finally together again....what does that mean??? :mj07:

 

[Master Capper]

LMAO what do you expect?? You liberals are just soo desperate that a liberal victory in a liberal state is such a big victory for you lol. Pretty sad. I guess you liberals don't really have anything to be proud of regarding your own party so you have to resort to tooting your horn about something that doesnt even effect you. Your political party has no ideas, no agenda, no strategy, no leadership, and no accomplishments. That's why you whine and cry and point fingers at others.


Is Virginia not considered a red state?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Yep it is interesting how political figures get dissed for making necessary but unpopular choices--


Economic upturn clears away state budget shortfall next year

TOM CHORNEAU

Associated Press


SACRAMENTO - California lawmakers won't have to worry about a multibillion budget deficit next year for the first time in four years thanks to an unexpected jump in tax income and ongoing spending cuts, according to a new report.
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/13185379.htm

Could have sworn that is what Arnold ran on and why they elected him in 1st place ?