As seen on FOX: "Upside" to Iraq civil war?

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What kind of spin is this shown on Fox News Live, or is this supposed to stir debate? Anyone who saw this segment care to comment, and for that matter, does anyone agree with the premise of the topic?


"UPSIDE" TO CIVIL WAR?

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ALL OUT CIVIL WAR IN IRAQ: COULD IT BE A GOOD THING?

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Who was it that said NUT's. Now that was a real hero. I think he would say NUT's to this dam mess to.
 
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i watched the business shows this morning...a lot of big wheel honchos chimed in..

..i think one guy expressed concern......every body else was gung ho....

i kept thinking of the lenin quote....

lenin..."The world will not be truly free until the last capitalist hangs from a rope."

To which someone remarked, "That sure will take a lot of rope."

Lenin replied, "Don't worry. The capitalists will sell it to us."

how true...
 
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Your starting to repeat your Lenin quotes. Maybe you need some sleep, Weasel. It's been a long week. And on the 7th day, Weasel rested.
 
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Civil War is a huge positive for the U.S. The biggest threat to U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East is if Muslims actually unite. Israel would probably not be long for this world and the U.S. would lose the ability to gain economic benefit by befriending autocratic regimes that oppress the masses (Saudis, etc.).

The Iraqi civil war could easily spread sectarian tensions into Iran. That could only be a positive for the U.S. economically.

Obviously in terms of morality and the loss of life, civil war is bad. But I understand where FNC is coming from here.
 
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...I don't understand the positive economic angle - please explain....
 
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i know smurph.....i couldn`t get it out of my head while i was watching those money whores....

they`re focused...i`ll give `em that...
 
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When it boils down to it, the main reason the U.S has such a large presence in the Middle East (or any other part of the world, for that matter) is for economic reasons. If the U.S. is able to keep autocratic regimes like the Saudis in place, that helps our overall goals there. If Islamic people unite like they did a quarter century ago in Iran, then the Muslim people might be allowed to get a piece economically and largely shut us out.
 
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Well then we should have left Saddam there and bought his cheap oil. We would have saved a bundle in lots of ways. If we are looking just for economic windfalls, we already blew it by invading at all. Any attempt at spinning a civil war as positive is just ludicrous.
 
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Actually, I agree with Nick here.

I understand what you are saying, smurph, about initially getting into war, but right now I do think a civil war over there will be a positive (as bad of a positive as there can be, no doubt).

Damn, I certainly wish we could go without war.
 
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smurphy said:
Well then we should have left Saddam there and bought his cheap oil. We would have saved a bundle in lots of ways. If we are looking just for economic windfalls, we already blew it by invading at all. Any attempt at spinning a civil war as positive is just ludicrous.
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SMurphy,
I really don't think it's always about getting oil "CHEAP". I'm a strong believer that many times it's about manipulation of the PRICE of oil HIGHER.
Take for instance last week the PRICE had fallen early in the week as well as many oil stock prices, as it was reported that there was a slight glut in oil and gasoline inventories. Then, BAM on Friday the Saudi's announce an unsucessful attack on their huge processing facility, along with the media hype of a pending civil war in Iraq and all of a sudden the PRICE of oil shoots up $2 per bbl...just in time for the weekend.
Ever wonder what the DOW and the PRICE of oil would be right now had we not invaded Iraq. Hell there's little doubt in my mind that the DOW would be in record territory, well above the pre 9-11 high of 11700 and the PRICE of oil would be at least $30 per bbl cheaper. I really don't think the big boys want that at this time.
just my take anyway,
TT
 
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Every time theres a drop in price to far. Is Saudi going to pay some guys to have a little attack to scare price back up. It does not last long. Down 2 buck since then.
 
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dawgball said:
Actually, I agree with Nick here.

I understand what you are saying, smurph, about initially getting into war, but right now I do think a civil war over there will be a positive (as bad of a positive as there can be, no doubt).

Damn, I certainly wish we could go without war.
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So now the worst of all outcomes - which is basically what is happening - lives wasted for nothing - freedom and democracy not working - no WMD's found - Iraq exploding into civil war - IS ACTUALLY THE GREATEST POSSIBLE RESULT???

How does this make any sense at all? It just seems like extreme backpedalling and refula to acknowledge that our country has made a mistake.

Civil war is a good result of all this??? Just think about what you are saying. So it's good we did what we did, lost all those lives, lost all that money, and basically did the wrong thing. It was good.

If people actualkly buy this idea, then we are more clueless, hopeless, and stubborn than I ever realized.
 
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djv said:
Every time theres a drop in price to far. Is Saudi going to pay some guys to have a little attack to scare price back up. It does not last long. Down 2 buck since then.
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djv,
Of course that was but one tiny example,,sure down 2 bucks since then BUT still HIGH.
"Is Saudi going to pay some guys to have a little atack"? As FANATICAL as those low level extremists are don't you think there's SOMEBODY out there SOMEWHERE with lots of money MANIPULATING these terrorist leaders? It would be extremely unreasonable to believe that with all the intell agencies out there in the world that some if not MOST of these groups aren't INFILTRATED. That notorious Pakistani ISI comes to mind right off the bat. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility to believe that those fanatics are as manipulated as our own American public sometimes is. I have little doubt that fat cats in power in the middle east are gonna do whatever they have to ...to stay in power
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Tony TT I was being more realistic then you may think. Remember 9/11 money and man power came through Saudi and UAE. There are best buddies just like Saddam was in the 80's.
 
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