Auto Industry Bailout?

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Everyone knows the U.S. auto makers have been too slow to adjust to changing market trends but if we could bailout the Airline industry in 2001, we can bailout the Auto industry today. There are certain industries that it?s in our best interest, both economically and politically, to keep viable. The Airline and Auto industries are two of them.

Just as we did with the Airline bailout, the Treasury Dept. would be authorized to negotiate equity warrants to buy GM, Ford and Chrysler stock at below market prices that could net hundreds of millions or even billions down the road. The $15 billion Airline bailout netted the Treasury $130 million within 6 years. The 1979 Chrysler bailout was structured the same way and netted the Treasury more than $300 million.

Of course, the bailout should also be structured with incentives that would essentially force the auto makers to produce greener, more fuel efficient vehicles. In the process, we can save a million jobs and an industry that?s vital to our national interests and has been for 100 years.

JMO, FWIW - Trench
 
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We are either a capitalist society or we're not. Businesses fail all the time, the size should not matter. Giving more morons public funding makes no sense....give it to Honda and Toyota if you want to make a real difference.
 

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Making money to save the economy is not the way to go IMO.We need things to get better,but in its own course.

Let them file for bankrupcy ,if need be.
Then when things inprove ,pay off your own debt.
 

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The big 3 have not been ran very well. Plus the workers have done decent. By that I mean there wages and benneys add up to 77 bucks a hour. Toyota and Honda America 48 and 46 bucks.
Maybe there needs some give by everyone includng managment. Or maybe as some have said let one go down. I don't know what is best. But I can't believe letting all three go under is answer.
 

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We are either a capitalist society or we're not. Businesses fail all the time, the size should not matter. Giving more morons public funding makes no sense....give it to Honda and Toyota if you want to make a real difference.


I agree, except for the part about giving the money to Toyota or Honda
 

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We are either a capitalist society or we're not. Businesses fail all the time, the size should not matter. Giving more morons public funding makes no sense....give it to Honda and Toyota if you want to make a real difference.


:clap:--- Could see the banking system/mortgage as would effect all--but when you bail out companies where does it stop.

You can pencil this one in as paying back unions for their support.
Yep
---bail out the business that unions put under
--Try to unionize Walmart who is one of few stocks that has prospered despite econmy
--and if a company excells--tax em with windfall profits to pay off the faiures.

Is there a better plan for economic failure--if so I haven't seen it.

Can we call it corporate redisribution?

Best approach I've seen comes from Steven Pearlstein of the Washington Post i(n case Matt reads)--but the Unions won't be happy --thus O and team can't contemplate it--unless its really true he/they won't be influenced by lobbist. ;)



By Steven Pearlstein
Wednesday, October 29, 2008; Page D01

Not content with $25 billion in government loans to retool factories for fuel-efficient cars, the auto industry is already back at the trough, this time angling for a taxpayer investment in the firm that would result from a merger of General Motors and Chrysler.

You can just imagine the pitch from the populists of the Michigan congressional delegation: If the government is willing to invest $250 billion to bail out pinstriped bankers, then the least it could do is throw an extra $10 billion to rescue the domestic auto industry and the millions of workers and retirees who depend on it.

There's only one difference: The government will make money on its bank investment, while the GM-Chrysler deal is a lemon.

As reported by Reuters, GM and Chrysler would have the Treasury invest $3 billion directly in the newly merged automaker in exchange for preferred shares with warrants, as with the banks. The government would take over $3 billion of the company's pension obligation. To deal with the industry's short-term liquidity problem, the government would also commit to buying $4 billion in commercial paper issued by the new company.

All that for two companies whose market values today are each less than $4 billion.

The rationale for this scheme is pretty simple: If nothing is done, the financial situation of both of these companies is so dire that one or both of them will be forced to file for bankruptcy protection in the next several months. And a bankruptcy filing, we are told, will send an already weakened economy over the cliff, wiping out 2 million jobs, shifting tens of billions of dollars in pension obligations to the government and lopping two percentage points off the nation's gross domestic product.

Although somewhat exaggerated, there is a kernel of truth in this doomsday scenario: This would be a particularly bad time for the U.S. economy to have GM or Chrysler go under. It would have devastating effects on many communities in the Midwest, deal another blow to consumer and investor confidence, and put further strain on already shaky government budgets.


But even with a government-financed merger, the companies are going to have to shrink by at least 25 percent to reflect the realities of a shrinking market and much-reduced market shares. That translates into the direct loss of an additional 40,000 jobs and the indirect loss of several hundred thousand more. There is simply no way to avoid this pain without making the company a permanent ward of the federal government.

The real flaw in the government-financed merger proposal is that it spares the companies from bankruptcy reorganization, the very process they need to get their costs and structure in line with market realities.

Only a bankruptcy court can reduce the burden of pension and health benefits to 600,000 retirees that are slated to cost the companies $90 billion over the next decade
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Only a bankruptcy court can override the state laws that make it difficult and expensive for Chrysler and GM to pare back a combined network of 10,000 dealerships, about 10 times more than Toyota has in the United States.

And only a bankruptcy court can impose on members of the United Auto Workers pay and benefit packages comparable to those paid at the nonunionized plants of foreign manufacturers that have been stealing market share from the Big Three for decades.

If the Treasury were to commit government funds without getting this kind of long-overdue restructuring, it would simply be throwing good money after bad.

But that's not all. Taxpayers should also demand that the Treasury take the same hard line in negotiating a rescue for the automakers that it took in structuring the rescues of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG and Bear Stearns.

Equity holders of both auto companies -- including Cerberus Capital Management, the hedge fund that purchased Chrysler from Daimler with very little of its own money -- should be wiped out, or at most given a small stake in the new company.

Creditors should get only 30 or 40 cents on the dollar owed -- about what the debt is selling for now -- plus an equity stake in the new company.

And top management of both companies should be shown the door, along with most of the directors, in recognition of their failure to deliver for shareholders and creditors.

All of these terms -- the cost-cutting, the dealer restructuring, the haircuts for shareholders and creditors, the management changes -- can be negotiated upfront and presented as a done deal to the bankruptcy court. Such a "prepackaged" bankruptcy would allow GM-Chrysler to run through the reorganization process in a matter of a few weeks or months without missing a payroll or a day of production. It would save as many jobs as can reasonably be saved and preserve what value is left in the companies, while giving taxpayers a reasonable chance of earning a return on their investment.

Honestly, I don't know if the GM-Chrysler merger makes a lot of business sense. The promised savings of $9 billion a year are overblown -- as far as I can tell, most of that represents reduction in capacity that could just as easily be accomplished by the companies separately as together. At the same time, in an industry that has gone from producing 17 million vehicles a year to 12 million, some consolidation is probably inevitable.

What I do know, however, is that's it's time for Michigan's senators and congressmen and governors to stop shilling for Wall Street creditors and shareholders and defending managers and unions that stubbornly ignore market realities. For years, these politicians did the bidding of the Big Three by pushing a protectionist agenda and fighting off attempts to impose reasonable fuel-efficiency standards -- and the result is that all three companies now stand on the brink of financial collapse.

This time, they owe it to their constituents and the country to back a painful but credible strategy to save the industry rather than one that simply bails out the industry from another mess of its own creation.
 
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These bailouts are just prolonging the problem. Let the Banks and AIG and all the investment houses fall. Let the auto companies go bankrupt. We had a system in place to take care of it. Now, it is a mess. Why bailout any of them? :shrug:
 

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Looks like I?m in the minority opinion here but I understand where you guys are coming from. And I?m not defending the incompetence and lack of foresight of the auto industry executives and the politicians that led Detroit to the brink of disaster. Every single one of them should be sent packing. But IMO, that?s no reason to allow an entire industry to fail.

Rather than a bailout, I see it as an investment in our economy and our manufacturing base. If we let the auto industry fail, where does it stop? From the automotive parts industry to steel to rubber to glass to trucking to the finance industry, the ripple effect would be staggering. When it?s all said and done, it could easily mean a loss of 4 to 5 million jobs in this country.

Without federal assistance, US automakers probably wouldn?t survive a bankruptcy either. Since the Wall Street collapse, credit?s dried up and the automakers would probably be shut out of DIP financing and few car buyers would be willing to buy a vehicle from a bankrupt automaker. IMO, if it's done right, a downsized and restructured auto industry could be a huge success story we'll look back on 10 years from now.

Btw... I don't work in the auto industry either.

JMO, FWIW
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I agree with Stevie D and (gulp) Wayne. Let them fail and start over. Or in the alternative, if your going socialistic, give it to the taxpayers and let it trickle up. It sure ain't trickling down.

Eddie
 

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:mad: All I have to think about is how the auto dealers are about the greediest people in America.

Its all about the extra dollars. Extend warranty -
that will cost you, leather seats 2 grand, oh cruise control thats 500 more, under car treatment that will be 400.

Lets see with tax and license that will be 54,300.30

oh you have a trade in :142smilie

We will give you 900 dollars for it. :SIB

They have made billions screwing regular Americans for many years.

Let them go bankrupt and work to get out of it themselves.

They knew this was coming. They are much too arrogant to pull from the fire and save.

stop and think the last time you tried to buy a car from GM or Ford . Was it a pleasant experience ?

let them eat fish
 

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As much as the US auto industry deserves to fail and as much as this isnt a typical conservative view, you cant let it fail. Its 3 million jobs. The issue is how to save it.

1. You dont bail them out. You loan the money ...just like was done with Chrysler way back when.

2. You have to have costs cut - which means those people whose jobs are saved are going to have to accept wage cuts - just like happens w airlines...and unfortinately some people have to get axed. And the CEO types get paid ZERO until they are profitable again.

3. The morons have to start making cars people want.

4. They should probably be consolidated into one company.
 

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3. The morons have to start making cars people want.

yeah, Bush gave tax incentives up to 100k for business owners that bought cars over 6000 pounds :shrug:

go figure.

buy some hog monster car like hedgehog and get it for free because of the tax rebate. did you get yours :shrug:
 

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