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Denver is going to run out a quaterback who is suspect at best - when he's not nursing a recently dislocated throwing shoulder. Plummer isn't a gamer - he's a second rate QB. Portis is also banged up. Denver's D is tough ... against the run. Against the pass, however, they've given up 213 y/g (182 against SD, 264 against Cin). Which brings up another point: they've played SD and Cin so far this year. Hardly tough opponents.

On the other side, we have Oakland, who hasn't looked very good at all this year. Don't expect Gannon and Co. to play like this all year long. There is something special about Monday nights that brings out the best in the old men. Look for history to repeat itself and for MNF to continue not making sense...


November 11, MNF: Oakland @ Denver
Denver came into this game with an extra week of preparation off the bye week and having won 3 of their last 4, with a 6-2 record overall (2 games up on Oak). They had a chance to bury Oakland in the standings and move to 7-2. Oakland had lost 4 straight, including two overtime losses to SD and SF. Close games sound familiar. Poor record sounds familiar. Denver killed them right? Wrong. Result:

Oak 34
Den 10

This game was far and away the turning point for these two teams in the 2002 season. Denver came in up two games and in a position to bury Oakland. Oakland hadn't been clicking coming into this game and managed to connect for 347 yards through the air, dispiriting Denver and setting themselves up for a big run through the rest of the season and into the Super Bowl. Expect the same type of result this year (without the SB run!).


December 22: Denver @ Oakland

Oak 28
Den 16

Oakland put the Broncos away again, clinching the division in this game. The Raiders didn't put up the pass numbers in this game, but for good reason: they didn't have to. They went up 21-0 and at that point in the season, didn't need to make a statement. They ground the ball out (Gannon only attempted 27 passes), running down the clock with a running game against a good Denver run D. Back on MNF in week 9, Oakland needed to gain all the momentum they could after losing four straight. What better way to make a statement than on the Monday Night Football spotlight? What better way to answer critics saying they're too old, that they'd lost it? And they did just that, never letting up on the Broncos and throwing for 347 yards. Again, look for the same to happen this year.

Week 3, MNF prediction:
Oakland 31
Denver 17

Oakland has won 3 of the last 4 by a combined score of: 117-77. They last lost to Denver on December 30, 2001 by a score of 23-17.

One more thing...
For those that might expect Denver to run on Oakland, take caution. Clinton Portis rushed for 1508 yards last year in 14 games - pretty amazing. What is even more amazing, however, is when you take into account the fact that 1406 of those yards came in 12 games. That's right, he only rushed for an average of 51 yards/game (with one score in each game) in the 2 games against, you guessed it, Oakland.

Also, in the 4 games that Portis played in Prime-Time (Sunday/Monday night), he only averaged 67 yards/game.

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Yes, there's more. On Monday Night Football, Portis has been a non-factor, averaging 52.5 yards/game.

Here's my point: An injured Plummer isn't going to win a game on his own and a receiver can't win a game if the QB can't get him the ball. That puts a lot of pressure on the running game and Denver has a great running back. But he's currently a hurt running back and a running back who has been shut down by this Oakland team before and has been shut down on prime-time before.

Prime-Time Yards/Game: 67 (4 games)
Day Games Yards/Game: 124 (10 games)
- not including this season

I don't think that's a fluke. Here are the teams he's played in prime-time and the yards he's run against them:

Baltimore: 55
Miami: 75
Oakland: 50
Indy: 88


Plays:
2*
Oak ML

1*
Den O45
1H Oak +3
 
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Nice write-up.

One correction:

he only rushed for a combined 51 yards per game in the 2 games against, you guessed it, Oakland.

I think you mean an "average of 51 yds/game". Also he had a score in both of those two games.
 

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GREAT WRITE-UP RipIt3....

LOVE THE RAIDERS IN THIS SPOT...PUBLIC STRONGLY BACKING THE BRONCOS & LEAVING THE RAIDERS LEFT FOR DEAD - HOWEVER GANNON WILL SHINE & RICE WILL STEP IT UP ON MNF!!

I HAVE CAPPED THE GAME THOUROUGHLY AND FEEL THE LINE SHOULD BE DENVER -2 (SLIGHT EDGE FOR BEING AT HOME)...I SEE TREMENDOUS LINE VALUE IN RAIDERS +5, AS WELL AS +3 1ST HALF, AND GETTING POINTS IN EVERY QUARTER!

HOWEVER, I THINK PLUMMER STRUGGLES TONIGHT & PORTIS WILL GET HIS YARDS, BUT OAKLAND WILL KEEP HIM IN CHECK...KEY IS PREVENTING THE BIG PLAY...

CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS KEY DIVISION RIVAL GAME!!

GL!!

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what do you guys feel home field advantage is worth when capping? a field goal?

just curious...
 

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YES - IN GENERAL HOME FIELD SHOULD BE FACTORED IN A 3 POINT ADVANTAGE TO THE HOME TEAM...THAT IS WHY YOU SEE A LOT OF 3 POINT LINES WHEN 2 TEAMS ARE PERCEIVED TO BE EQUALS, SUCH AS WHAT WE SAW IN LAST NIGHTS SUNDAY NIGHT MIAMI/BILLS GAME...AND IF KC WAS AT HOME YESTERDAY THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN 10+ POINT FAVORITES TO HOUSTON, AS WELL AS THE PACK WOULD HAVE BEEN 10 PT. FAVES OVER ARIZONA (RAMS ARE 10.5 PT. FAVES OVER ARIZONA FOR NEXT WEEK)...

AS FOR WHY I FEEL THE LINE IN TONIGHT'S GAME SHOULD BE -2 IS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT THE RAIDER'S AND BRONCOS ARE VERY EQUAL TEAMS, AND THE RAIDER'S USUALLY STEP IT UP ON MNF....I LIKE THE LINE VALUE IN TONIGHT'S GAME...PLUMMER WILL FIND A WAY TO LOSE THIS GAME FOR DENVER - I'LL TAKE GANNON OVER PLUMMER ANY DAY - ESPECIALLY ON MNF!!!
 

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That IS a very good write-up. You make some valid points Rip. But...

SHOWRUNNER said:
LOVE THE RAIDERS IN THIS SPOT...PUBLIC STRONGLY BACKING THE BRONCOS & LEAVING THE RAIDERS LEFT FOR DEAD
I don't think that's right. At best bettor, it's 54% taking the Raiders. At Big Guy it's 65% Raiders with a larger sample size. (Big Guy is "more public" than best bettor and here I think. It is fairly rare to see any dog on Big Guy pulling in more than 60% of the picks...and when they do, beware!!). And in the informal poll here it's currently 14-3 on the Raiders.

I'm a little bit surprised the Raiders are so strongly supported. I agree on the Jake the Snake comments. Personally I think he's junk. I am not so sure about Portis though. I think he can and will exceed those averages.

I really REALLY don't like laying more than 3 points in the NFL, so believe me I am going against my first inclination here. When the line is more than 3 I always start out looking at the dog, and then try to find compelling reasons why I don't feel they can be competitive.

Oakland's played 2 subpar games and was brutal all preseason too. (Yes, I know, what does preseason count for...? But it still means 6 games in a row and they haven't gotten anything going yet). They have not shown me that they are over that Superbowl hangover yet, as Gannon called it I think. During the Tennessee game Gannon was saying (in an interview recorded earlier) that he has really struggled to put the memory of that game behind him and rebound. I think it shows in his play. I believe as a whole the Raiders are in a funk and will continue to struggle, particularly with the passing game out of sync. And I don't feel Oakland can win games by running the ball, that's just not the way this team is built.

Again, I am not super-keen on laying the points, but I think Denver is the way to go.
 
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RipIt3 said:
what do you guys feel home field advantage is worth when capping? a field goal?

just curious...
3 pts in general...but in some cases it's less, and in others potentially more.

Arizona for example almost has a home-field disadvantage with all those empty seats, and the fans that ARE there are cheering for the other team. Exception being when they are playing a cold weather team and it's 105? outside that is. :)
 

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GM good pts

GM good pts

It seems IMO people on Oak, which isnt good or bad ...


however, i combed thru Oaks stats closely late last nite, posted some info On Bubba's matchup forum, and I dont like Oak w/o Porter to stretch a D ... the fossils Rice and Brown are waaay down in every facet thus far, Garner too ... I thinks the ravages of age are fast catching up ... Dont like denver either in this game due to nicks and dents, wont play it ... hate totals but def lean to Under here, tho MNF seems to juice up scores

watching on sidelines

gl, gregg
 

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Nolan brings up a great point in his write-up about yards/carry - Oakland is at 5.6 I believe (and allowing 3.1). They can run it when they have to and can defend the run. Teams have been beating Oakland through the air and I'm not sure Denver can get it done that way.

Last year Oakland went 1-3 (I'm not checking this while writing it, off the top of my head, but I believe it's right...) in the pre-season and dropped a couple games to feeble opponents, much like this year.

The Superbowl hangover is something I didn't take into consideration, so thanks for bringing it up.

My view on that stands at this: Oakland is a veteran team that has been there before. A hangover isn't going to last an entire season as it might with a younger team. I think there's been quite a bit about them having lost it, being too old and whatnot. Another one of Nolan's points: being old isn't going to factor into a single game all that heavily. That is, you can say over a course of a season that being old will play a factor, but when capping a single game, it's nearly negligable. If there is a time in this season where Oakland is going to step it up and win a ball game, tonight is the night.

Additionally, Oakland has SD, Chi, Cle in the next three weeks. I have to believe that a team like Oakland, barely sitting at 1-1 coming off a superbowl appearance, not getting any respect (+5 underdogs) against a team that didn't make the playoffs last season, will view this game as the new beginning for their season. There are a million reasons to come out hyped up for this game, in the national spotlight against their biggest rival, knowing that they can win their next three and be 5-1 going into a big match-up against KC at home in week 7.

A football season is about catalysts and momentum. The past three superbowl winners are perfect examples of this. Oakland has a perfect opportunity tonight to turn their season around and propel themselves through the next few weeks. A younger team wouldn't know how to win those types of games, but this Oakland team has the experience to do just that.

thanks for the info guys and good luck tonight!
 
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I watched both Raider games and I don't think they played that bad against a very fired up Tennesee team, although they did sleepwalk against Cincy (which a lot of teams seem to do) they did win and they might have been looking past Cincy to this game. A nicked up QB and RB for Denver makes me wonder why the line hasn't moved off of 5. Regardless, I think you see a lot of Charlie Garner tonight and agree with a lot of points in your write ups. When Charlie goes, so do the Raiders. I'm not sure what that does to the total though :shrug:

Good luck
 

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Good luck to all on Oakland tonight...

May the kicks be straight, the passes long, and the calls fair...


GO OAKLAND!
 
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