Black students charged at Ole Miss!!!

[Jhpga]

Not sure if you've seen this story but Nov 6 some students who were thought to be white wrote racial slurs such as F>>> N>>>>>S on windows and doors and also hung a noose in a tree have been identified....but to the local NAACP surprise...the students who did this stupid crime were black....before the race was found and it was thought to be racsist white students...all the Black leaders of the school wanted to have this punished as a HATE CRIME...now what do they have to say.....NOTHING!!!!

this is from an article by Michelle Malkin who has been featured several times on the O'Reilly Factor.
enjoy.


"Black students organized a "Say No to Racism" march and demanded more protection against white-on-black harassment. They blasted the school's president for not apologizing quickly enough for the racial slurs. The school's "Minority Affairs" director demanded that the university establish "programs and procedures" to ensure racial sensitivity and prevent hate crimes. The "Institute for Racial Reconciliation" and the "Committee On Sensitivity and Respect" convened meetings. Activists called for criminally prosecuting the perpetrators under state felony laws or federal hate crime statutes.


But now that the race of the suspects has been revealed, some are seeking to minimize the crime as a "prank." The college will not be bringing criminal charges against the trio. Instead, each suspect faces charges involving five violations of the student code of conduct--not only for the racially explosive vandalism, but also for allegedly making false and misleading statements to investigators. "

Could you only imagine if these 3 jerks were found to be white....do you think the criminal charges would be dropped???Hell no...they would be charged to the fulliest and probably felony hate crime......Double standard...got to love the good ole liberal criminal justice system we have in America.....

 

[ferdville]

This would actually be funny if it didn't depict the sad state of politcal correctness that runs rampant today. Wait until rev. Al gears up for his campaign run and we can revisit the Tawana Bradley incident. Can't wait to hear Al's spin on this after so many years have gone by.

 

[Stuman]

You are sooooo right jhpga! Double standards make me sick to my stomach. They would have really fried them if they had been white, especially considering the racial controversy that has surrounded Ole Miss in the past. (The James Merideth incident and the recent controversy with their fight song and rebel flag)

 

[TheShrimp]

Re: Black students charged at Ole Miss!!!

Could you only imagine if these 3 jerks were found to be white....do you think the criminal charges would be dropped???Hell no...they would be charged to the fulliest and probably felony hate crime......Double standard...got to love the good ole liberal criminal justice system we have in America.....

What's your point?

If a white person calls a black person nigger, that's completely different than if a black person calls a black person nigger.

So, if white people did it, it could be considered a hate crime. Since black people did it, its something else entirely, vandalism for one, and that's what they're in trouble for.

Typically at universities, crimes like vandalism that aren't assault, murder, rape, etc. are handled through the school, and not through the criminal justice system.

You want to talk about a double standard, why don't you look into the statistics of how often someone gets the death penalty if a black kills a white versus if a white kills a black? Liberal criminal justice system? Hilarious.

Your example is just a logical application of a law.

 

[thekidwhocould]

Re: Re: Black students charged at Ole Miss!!!

Re: Re: Black students charged at Ole Miss!!!

What's your point?

If a white person calls a black person nigger, that's completely different than if a black person calls a black person nigger.

So, if white people did it, it could be considered a hate crime. Since black people did it, its something else entirely, vandalism for one, and that's what they're in trouble for.

color of skin shouldnt apply.......creating fear and racial tension in a community should come with the appropriate recourse. jmo

 

[TheShrimp]

You are right, thekid, and the argument against myself that I was intentionally ignoring was that writing "nigger" on something with the intention of having a backlash against whites could be considered a hate-crime too.

One might see expulsion come these kids way.

 

[Skinar]

Incidents like this happen fairly often nowadays but rarely get much daylight. Generally, when the incidents are first reported there is much fanfare and speeches and demands for action from folks like Fat Al. Then, in those cases like this one when the fraud is revealed, everyone quietly changes their tune and speaks of 'forgiveness' and hate crimes turn into 'pranks'.

By the way, what are the statistics of death penalty application of black-on-white vs white-on-black crime? I know the answer because I've looked it up and it's not what you might think but I'm interested in your references and statistics.

And there is no doubt in my mind that a double standard does exist, especially on college campuses, regarding the treatment of racial events like the one in this thread. At a minimum, the people responsible for this should be charged with criminal incitement-to-riot since they were obviously trying to start trouble. I don't believe in hate crime legislation and don't believe that anyone could or should be charged with it, it's tantamount to mind-reading in my opinion, just a way for the feds to intervene when they think the unwashed, uneducated locals are incapable of 'doing the right thing'.

Just my humble opinion.

 

[TheShrimp]

This is from an ACLU website. There's more out there. . If anyone really wants to see this, I can dig some more up, but I'm out of here till tomorrow. I'm not presenting these as good statistics. Their presentation and wording is flawed.

One problem with these types of statistics is how closely being black is correlated with being poor in this country. That is, its not necessarily a "black thing" but a "poor thing". I'd be interested in seeing evidence that refutes that the death penalty is applied unfairly to races (which is really more important than having evidence that shows it is applied unfairly to races, though a different way of thinking about it).


Anyway, from the web site:

There is also irrefutable evidence that the way in which the death penalty is applied is grossly unfair and discriminatory:

--There is a double standard for rich and poor. The quality of legal representation is a better predictor of whether or not someone will be sentenced to death than the facts of the crime. The quality of legal representation depends on whether or not you can hire a lawyer. Almost all people on death row could not afford to hire a qualified attorney.
--Where a death sentence is sought determines whether a defendant is sentenced to death, more than the circumstances of the crime.
--The race of the victim is often a decisive factor in capital sentencing decisions. Almost all death sentences in this country ? 81 percent ? involve white victims. 178 black people have been executed for killing a white person, but only 12 white people have been executed for killing a black person.
--43 percent of death row inmates are black, although African Americans constitute only 12 percent of the US population.

(for instance, the 178-12 figure is meaningless unless you can show a similar number of actual murders done by b on w and w on b. if the proportions are similar, then that's another matter.)

TheShrimp

 

[djv]

Double Standard would apply here. Of course if a couple of white kids had done this it would have been exploted in all the press. Thats what strange about this. Our liberal press did not jumb big time on this one. They must have been sleeping. As for the Mr OReilly I have come to learn I believe only about half that comes from him. He keeps getting caught with only picking out the paragraph that he want to exploit. And is carefull not to read the complete facts. It called bait and cut. The National Inquire paper is much like his show.
But yes Black or White should get what they deserve for such a deed.

 

[Skinar]

I won't argue that poor people don't get the same representation as others. It's obviously true - just look at OJ. But, that applies just as equally to poor whites as poor blacks, and there are more poor whites in terms of gross numbers than blacks.

On the ACLU's quote about 178 blacks being executed I wish they had given a time frame. Does that go back to 1950 for example? Things have changed since then. Also, gross numbers like this mean nothing without looking into the overall crime statistics.

Here are some numbers from the Bureau for Justice http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

You should note in the middle of this government report that it plainly says 'Blacks were over 7 times more likely than whites to commit homicide in 2000'. As a matter of fact, in 2000 51.5% of all homicide offenders were black, while 46.4% were white (which includes Hispanics by the way, the DOJ classifies Hispanics as white when they are offendors, but classifies them as Hispanic if they are a victim).

Therefore, since blacks have been found guilty of 51.5% of ALL homicides, yet they constitute only 43% of death row inmates (according to the ACLU), I would have to conclude that they are under-represented, not over-represented in the death row population.

Also, in 2000, 8.2% of all murders were black-on-white, while only 3.0% of all murders were white-on-black (the remainder is same race homicide). First, this means that blacks commit 73% of all interracial murders. Moreover, when you factor in the percentage of population this stat means that blacks commit interracial murders at abou 16 times the rate of whites, therefore one should expect about 16 times as many blacks as whites who are executed for interracial murder, or about 93%. 178 blacks divided a total of 190 executions is 93.8% which tells me that the number of executions is pretty much right on target - statistically speaking.

That's why I said the findings are surprising. Raw numbers instantly leads one to believe that there is something rotten in the application of the death penalty, but with some scrutiny it turns out that is NOT the case.

 

[djv]

If I remember right the black on black crimes are very high. More black on black then black on white?

 

[fatdaddycool]

You know it is funny to me that we spend so much time on topics such as these. Although I believe racism is a social disease, all colors and races are equally to blame. All racisms do everything they can to perpetuate racism in their own lives, it is now used as a crutch for all walks of life. If people would pay attention to the world around them and quit sweating the small shit we would not be in the predicament we as a country are now. With corporate America controlling and running the country, they love it when lower and middle classes are uneasy and in a state of unrest. We can all sit and point the finger at each other but it will never accomplish anything. Honkeys, crackers, niggers, spics, nips, wops, guineas, whatever, are not the ones that keep you from advancing at work, or dissapproved your home loan, or layed you off. People should turn their attention to the people that ruin lives on a daily basis.
Tell me why is it that if I stole $100 from you I would do time yet people frome enron, united, worldcom, can steal billions and never do a minute of time.
Maybe its me, I just think there are a lot of more important things we the people should be turning a watchful eye to

 

[Jhpga]

Shrimp...you ask what was my point????then you spin off to some death penality speech...well my point was the outcry for justice and the assumption that this was done by white students....now that the true criminals have been caught...the same Naacp folks want this to be just a prank....that's my double standard...sorry you dont see it that way.....and I love your reason that its ok for a black to call someone a Ni@#$# but if a white person says it then its different.....so in your theory these guys were just having fun and meant no harm by hanging a noose and writing these words but if a white student would have done THE SAME THING....well then of course its racsist!!!!but I did see that you agree that this could have been done to cause racial tensions against white students....what other reasons did these losers do this....to cause problems...that's the only reason...and my main beef with this is all the Black organizations were raising hell till they found out the truth and now they dont even offer an apology to the unniversity....real class if you ask me!!!But truly a DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Skinar]

I'll agree with fatdaddy that people should 'quit sweating the small sh*t'. Like getting all upset because Trent Lott has too much to drink and makes a stupid remark. It appears to me that the people who spend most of their time getting upset about the 'small sh*t' deal with subjects like this however and don't want to talk about violent crime - or corporate crime. I'm with fatdaddy on prosecuting these white collar criminals like the Enron guys, Worldcom, Martha Stewart, you name it. Lock em all up for a LONG time because they really screwed a LOT of people.

But while we're at that, let's just make sure we have our facts straight and not deal with skewed information like that crapola from the ACLU.

 

[TheShrimp]

JHPGA -- I didn't "spin off to some death penality speech". In my reply to your post, I made a brief "double standard' comparison. Only when Skinar asked me to clarify did I "spin off".

And Skinar -- I think I clearly showed in that email that I thought the same statistics I presented were not strong evidence for what I was trying to say.

Look, if one looks into it a little, one finds many statistics and interpretations of statistics on both sides of the issue. Research institutions are looking into the issue in Maryland (while we have a moratorium on the DP) and I beleive, Illinois. We're certainly not going to settle it on some bulletin board, so I probably should have been more careful about using it as an example to JHPGA.

My objections to the DP actually run much deeper than whether it's unfairly applied to the races or not, but that's a whole other can of worms.

Still, whites complaing about special treatment given to blacks, or having a different standard usually sounds to me like a guy complaining he gets splinters from the bar stool on his yacht. I'd like to see how many white people would trade places since they think we're given such unfair treatment by the media and the courts.

[sorry if I don't respond. I'm out of here for like 10 days, and kind of have a crunch of a last day, and need to look at some picks for sunday. thanks for the discussion though -- I do enjoy the back and forth.]

 

[ryson]

Bubbling the small s**t to the top is how the politicians want it (both parties), they would rather 80% of the American public spin their wheels on petty things. The small s**t dilutes the big picture. The politicians know that only a SMALL percentage think "out of the box" and don't let the small things cloud their view.

just my .02

 

[ferdville]

While I am in total agreement with the fact that our criminal courts discriminate in a myriad of ways, the ACLU points are not exactly well thought out. Poverty is a major factor and most minorities have lower socio-economic levels than do whites. Is the ACLU saying that the crimes Blacks commit against Whites never happened? That the courts got the verdicts wrong? Or are they saying that Blacks who commit crimes against Whites receive greater punishment? The last "fact" has nothing to do with the first two questions. Do the Blacks that commit crimes against Whites have a more lengthy criminal record on the whole than the whites who commit crimes against the Blacks? If so, the sentence would obviously be greater. There are so many other things one could say. In most large cities with significant populations, Black crimes against Black are the norm. Yet few politicians have the balls to say this and try to attack the problem. The Sharptons and Jacksons never tackle this problem. I've rambled on too long, SKINAR'S points on the actual statistics are far more powerful and cogent.

 

[GENO]

Fat you are so right, and it is all about the concentration of wealth. You let a college kid fix one damn game and wham he is a crook and barred from the progressive flow of the great american dream! But some big wheel Enron jerk fixes a stock price and who suffers? Everyone's pensions and 401K's. My father said 30 years ago that there would be another tea party, I thought he was an old fool,.......MAN was I WRONG, I was a young naive fool. Not now. The public will eventually get sick and tired of all this and the Grapes of Wrath won't be an old movie.

GM is selling off assets this month and why because of a potential 23 billion dollar pension plan shortfall. This baby is in trouble and a war may bring us out. Or it may open a can of worms(see Raymonds thread in this same forum).

This black/white thing reminds me of a song from my youth :

"Come on people now,... smile on your brother, everybody get together, try to love one another right now !"

 

[ferdville]

Enron, et al crap reminds me of another old saying that has proven all too true. "A man with a briefcase cas steal more than a man with a gun."