I played Barrett +215 and Mayorga under 9.5-125. Piccirillo's last fight was a 6 rounder versus a guy who lost 4 out of 6 of his last 6. Before that he fights a guy who was 20-17 who lost his last 6 in a row. Mayorga will attack him with reckless abandon. He may be successful with the only approach he has to boxing. And it's NOT in Italy so I like it. I feel Piccirillo will wilt under the pressure. Again I will reiterate about Rahman. He is, as far as I'm concerned, almost dismissing Barrett totally. It's the impression I get. I've said it before, Barrett is totally focused on this fight. I've been wrong mucho times, but I love a focused guy over a guy looking down the road towards bigger and better things. Peace.
Boxing; 08/13/2005; Barrett; Mayorga
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Piccirillo is 35 and he was down in the 3rd round of his last fight against the light punching Vigne
The under looks pretty good
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Piccirillo is 35 and he was down in the 3rd round of his last fight against the light punching Vigne
The under looks pretty good
bl
I took the over in the Rahman/Barrett fight and put a little money on Barrett by decision. I'm debating on the Mayorga under......
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I like your guys play of the under in the Mayorga fight.
I am leaning towards Rahman. Rahman is much better than Owen Beck when he is focused. I will wait until the weigh in. If Rahman comes in under 240, then I will probably bet him to win straight up.
If he comes in heavier, then Barrett will have a better chance with the fat man. Rahman looked very good vs Meehan and if he can put that kind of pressure on Barrett then it will be a slugging match, more than a boxing match. These guys are good friends so who knows how much that will factor in.
I am leaning towards Rahman. Rahman is much better than Owen Beck when he is focused. I will wait until the weigh in. If Rahman comes in under 240, then I will probably bet him to win straight up.
If he comes in heavier, then Barrett will have a better chance with the fat man. Rahman looked very good vs Meehan and if he can put that kind of pressure on Barrett then it will be a slugging match, more than a boxing match. These guys are good friends so who knows how much that will factor in.
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Waiting for a line on the Collazo/MA Gonzalez fight. I think it will go the distance.
McCall will beat that Polish guy he is fighting. give me an even money line, please.
McCall will beat that Polish guy he is fighting. give me an even money line, please.
Spreadking said:
I was waiting for the McCall line myself. I'm hoping by some stretch he might be a small dog or an even line....
I don't like the fact that Rahman and Barrett are friends.
Never can really tell how that will affect the fight.
I don't like the fact that Don King is promoting both fighters.
There should be a law against that crap.
What other sport allows a agent promoter , owner to own both teams that are in a competition for millions.
Its criminal
Never can really tell how that will affect the fight.
I don't like the fact that Don King is promoting both fighters.
There should be a law against that crap.
What other sport allows a agent promoter , owner to own both teams that are in a competition for millions.
Its criminal
Spread and geto...
As posted in my thread, I'm on McCall also.
IMO McCall should win this fight easily. He has the DK factor in his favor and a great chin to get it to the cards.
Saleta has a very weak chin and he actually retired 2 years ago after being ko'd in 2 straight fights.
The kicker here is that the early money went to Saleta, McCall opened -180 and is now -172.
Are we missing something here?
Lets discuss, shall we?
As posted in my thread, I'm on McCall also.
IMO McCall should win this fight easily. He has the DK factor in his favor and a great chin to get it to the cards.
Saleta has a very weak chin and he actually retired 2 years ago after being ko'd in 2 straight fights.
The kicker here is that the early money went to Saleta, McCall opened -180 and is now -172.
Are we missing something here?
Lets discuss, shall we?
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only reason I can think people bet on Saleta is McCall's crazy past.
McCall doesn't seem to have the power he once did, but by fighting Touch of Sleep close last year he shows he has some good stuff left in him.
He should win, even if not by easy kayo.
McCall doesn't seem to have the power he once did, but by fighting Touch of Sleep close last year he shows he has some good stuff left in him.
He should win, even if not by easy kayo.
saleta did make krasniqi quit a few years ago....
and,mccall,who has always been a big puncher,hasn`t been k.o.`ing guys lately...i` m talking low level heavies...
he`s 40...it`in chicago...there will be more "poles" in there than a circus tent......
i would think that mccall gets it done...but,at 40?....
even though mccall hasn`t been k.o.`ing guys....and he has a penchant for being schizo(let`s hope he doesn`t start crying),the under is kind of tempting..and he has been very busy,fighting 5 times within the last year...inclluding hanging in with williamson,who imo,is no dog...
saleta`s has 1 fight in about 2 years...
let`s hope saleta doesn`t make mccall chase him...
and,mccall,who has always been a big puncher,hasn`t been k.o.`ing guys lately...i` m talking low level heavies...
he`s 40...it`in chicago...there will be more "poles" in there than a circus tent......
i would think that mccall gets it done...but,at 40?....
even though mccall hasn`t been k.o.`ing guys....and he has a penchant for being schizo(let`s hope he doesn`t start crying),the under is kind of tempting..and he has been very busy,fighting 5 times within the last year...inclluding hanging in with williamson,who imo,is no dog...
saleta`s has 1 fight in about 2 years...
let`s hope saleta doesn`t make mccall chase him...
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gardenweasel said:
For the record, Saleta is 37
As you mentioned, Saleta has only fought once in the last 2 years, his last 2 fights before "retiring" were both embarassing ko losses. Can't imagine him coming back from a two year layoff stronger than he left at 35.
Yes, there will be some "poles" to lean on, but McCall was born in Chicago and being American he will have plenty of crowd support form the locals.
McCall is a King fighter, and he has a great chin to get to the cards, as long as its close the King factor should be enough to pull him through.
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Scott-Atlanta said:
At least two other fights on this card are King fighter vs. King fighter...Collazo-Gonz and Mayorga-Piccirillo.
Happens all the time with this crook, esp in the heavyweight division.
Barrett and Rahman being good freinds has to favor the boxer and the over, more than the puncher and the under. Barrett should be thinking box from the outside, use movement, stay out of harms way. Their frienship won't hurt his strategy, if anything it will help. Rahman needs to be aggressive early like he was against Meehan, I actually felt bad for Mee while he was taking the assault. Will Rahman be able to do that to his friend?
Yes, I know there's a difference between business and personal but does anyone think the Barrera-Morales trillogy would've been as good if they didn't absolutely hate each other.
Thinking back to friends fighting friends recently in the hwt division. Byrd and McCline are very good friends but McCline was extremely aggressive in their fight, as opposed to his next fight with Brock in which he acted like he was fighting his mother.
Go figure
I just think that Barrett is a hungary dog and wants to win, buddy or not; same as Rahman. Once they start banging, it's on.
Quotes from East Side Boxing...
OLIVER ?The Atomic Bull? McCALL: ?I was already in shape to be a substitute for Golota because I was expecting to fight this month. I love to be in my hometown of Chicago and Saleta will have to work real hard to beat me.
?This is a great opportunity for me and I will take full advantage of it.
?Saleta does not have the experience; he lacks the power and the ability to do anything to me.
PRZEMYSLAW ?Chemek? SALETA: ?I started training on July 10th in Miami. Miami kept me away from the usual distractions I have in Poland and also I was able to find great sparring partners to help me prepare.
?I lived and trained with Angelo Dundee for four years. He is a great man and has tremendous boxing knowledge. He knows how to treat fighters. Boxing is an individual sport and each fighter is different. Angelo understands this. Trainers in Poland treat everyone the same from flyweights to heavyweights.
?I?m a good technician. I see a lot in the ring. I?m always looking for opportunities to hit someone with the right punch.
?Golota has said many personal, nasty things about me. I was disappointed that Golota was out. These things happen in boxing (injuries). I just had to make a decision on whether I wanted to face a different opponent. The fight with Golota was very personal. It was to be the biggest fight in Poland. It was to be history. But I had been training and didn?t want that work to be a waste of time.
?I was afraid Golota would pull out. I don?t think he?s as injured as he says. I think he?s burnt out and I doubt I will ever have the chance to fight him unless there?s a lot of money in it for him. For some people, money is the motivation. Golota wasn?t happy with the money. I wanted this fight, no matter the money.
?McCall is different. He goes forward and is unbreakable. This may be a tougher fight than Golota. I hope he is mentally prepared. No one has ever stopped McCall. I expect to win a decision.
?I beat Luan Krasniqi in Germany and he?s fighting WBO Champion Lamon Brewster in Germany. I think Krasniqi will win a decision. A win over McCall may put me in line for a rematch with Krasniqi.
OLIVER ?The Atomic Bull? McCALL: ?I was already in shape to be a substitute for Golota because I was expecting to fight this month. I love to be in my hometown of Chicago and Saleta will have to work real hard to beat me.
?This is a great opportunity for me and I will take full advantage of it.
?Saleta does not have the experience; he lacks the power and the ability to do anything to me.
PRZEMYSLAW ?Chemek? SALETA: ?I started training on July 10th in Miami. Miami kept me away from the usual distractions I have in Poland and also I was able to find great sparring partners to help me prepare.
?I lived and trained with Angelo Dundee for four years. He is a great man and has tremendous boxing knowledge. He knows how to treat fighters. Boxing is an individual sport and each fighter is different. Angelo understands this. Trainers in Poland treat everyone the same from flyweights to heavyweights.
?I?m a good technician. I see a lot in the ring. I?m always looking for opportunities to hit someone with the right punch.
?Golota has said many personal, nasty things about me. I was disappointed that Golota was out. These things happen in boxing (injuries). I just had to make a decision on whether I wanted to face a different opponent. The fight with Golota was very personal. It was to be the biggest fight in Poland. It was to be history. But I had been training and didn?t want that work to be a waste of time.
?I was afraid Golota would pull out. I don?t think he?s as injured as he says. I think he?s burnt out and I doubt I will ever have the chance to fight him unless there?s a lot of money in it for him. For some people, money is the motivation. Golota wasn?t happy with the money. I wanted this fight, no matter the money.
?McCall is different. He goes forward and is unbreakable. This may be a tougher fight than Golota. I hope he is mentally prepared. No one has ever stopped McCall. I expect to win a decision.
?I beat Luan Krasniqi in Germany and he?s fighting WBO Champion Lamon Brewster in Germany. I think Krasniqi will win a decision. A win over McCall may put me in line for a rematch with Krasniqi.
I wouldn;t worry about the friendship aspect to much. Barrett had a choice of fighting byrd or Rahman and he picked Rahman. Barrett apparently isn;t to worried about being friends and Rahman is probably a bit insulted....
http://fightbeat.com/judgejake/ontherops.php
http://fightbeat.com/judgejake/ontherops.php
Frank, saw some McCall stuff in your thread, hope ya don't mind me adding an opinion here.....
Betting on a mental case - literally.
OK, I'm probably the one who needs his head examined but I am going to bet on a tried and true mental case - Oliver McCall.
And in a further bit of insanity I am laying 2-1 (bad/late buy, this was available for -175 earlier.)
McCall you may or not remember is the guy who had a mental breakdown in the ring in his rematch vs. Lewis.
He's had 18 fights since then, losing only once - a decision to DaVarryl 'Touch of Sleep' Williamson (current mandatory challenger to International Boxing Federation heavyweight champion Chris Byrd).
I've met Darryl a few times - nice guy, weird style. Throws a right that has a kink in its' delivery but has power in it. No shame in a loss to him.
Not a lot of quality in the 17 wins though, with the biggest name being Henry the Hugger Akiwande, best known for a DQ for holding Lewis for 5 rounds.
Looks like McCall is being used for his name, and the freak factor attached to it, sticking around and being positioned by Don King for maybe one more shot at the heavyweight title in the 3 Ring Circus of no talents that represent that class currently.
His opponent is Przemyslaw Saleta.
I'm tempted to bet against him for that name alone.
For a valid reason to lay 2-1 though all I need to see is his recent history of non-fighting.
In Oct. of 2002 he was KO'd.
He waited 6 months to fight again, in April of 2003 he got knocked down 3 times in the 1st round and announced afterwards he had retired.
He didn't fight again until April of '05 when he won a 6 round decision over a stiff.
The guy has spent the last 10 years fighting over in Europe, when he wasn't busy being a Polish TV star, and now he comes to the Windy City to fight Chicago-born McCall.
With the exception of the breakdown vs Lewis, which we can throw out as a non-fight, McCall has never been KO'd, despite being in the ring with guys like Lewis, Williamson, Buster Douglas, Orlin Norris, Bruce Seldon and Tony Tucker in their prime.
Anytime you can get to the scorecards and you have the Don on your team it's a good thing.
He's a recovering drug addict, but I'm supporting him here.
Take the active fighter over the guy who retired,
take the guy with the name value for future consideration/promotions in the weak heavyweight division,
take the King guy over the foreigner,
take McCall, lay the juice.
PS - I also have one other theory I use. I base it on a guy I know. Lousy personality, always broke and not shy about bumming for freebies, 4 foot tall, heavy set, etc. - you get the picture.
Dates a smoking cocktail waitress for 2 years now.
Whenever he bets we pray he plays a single event and not a parlay so we can all fade him.
I base this on the "you only get so much luck in your life and he's used all of his up on getting her" theory.
Laugh if you will but we clean up regularly fading him.
How does this apply here?
Saleta is divorcing one bunny from Playboy and set to marry another. 'Nuff said.
Betting on a mental case - literally.
OK, I'm probably the one who needs his head examined but I am going to bet on a tried and true mental case - Oliver McCall.
And in a further bit of insanity I am laying 2-1 (bad/late buy, this was available for -175 earlier.)
McCall you may or not remember is the guy who had a mental breakdown in the ring in his rematch vs. Lewis.
He's had 18 fights since then, losing only once - a decision to DaVarryl 'Touch of Sleep' Williamson (current mandatory challenger to International Boxing Federation heavyweight champion Chris Byrd).
I've met Darryl a few times - nice guy, weird style. Throws a right that has a kink in its' delivery but has power in it. No shame in a loss to him.
Not a lot of quality in the 17 wins though, with the biggest name being Henry the Hugger Akiwande, best known for a DQ for holding Lewis for 5 rounds.
Looks like McCall is being used for his name, and the freak factor attached to it, sticking around and being positioned by Don King for maybe one more shot at the heavyweight title in the 3 Ring Circus of no talents that represent that class currently.
His opponent is Przemyslaw Saleta.
I'm tempted to bet against him for that name alone.
For a valid reason to lay 2-1 though all I need to see is his recent history of non-fighting.
In Oct. of 2002 he was KO'd.
He waited 6 months to fight again, in April of 2003 he got knocked down 3 times in the 1st round and announced afterwards he had retired.
He didn't fight again until April of '05 when he won a 6 round decision over a stiff.
The guy has spent the last 10 years fighting over in Europe, when he wasn't busy being a Polish TV star, and now he comes to the Windy City to fight Chicago-born McCall.
With the exception of the breakdown vs Lewis, which we can throw out as a non-fight, McCall has never been KO'd, despite being in the ring with guys like Lewis, Williamson, Buster Douglas, Orlin Norris, Bruce Seldon and Tony Tucker in their prime.
Anytime you can get to the scorecards and you have the Don on your team it's a good thing.
He's a recovering drug addict, but I'm supporting him here.
Take the active fighter over the guy who retired,
take the guy with the name value for future consideration/promotions in the weak heavyweight division,
take the King guy over the foreigner,
take McCall, lay the juice.
PS - I also have one other theory I use. I base it on a guy I know. Lousy personality, always broke and not shy about bumming for freebies, 4 foot tall, heavy set, etc. - you get the picture.
Dates a smoking cocktail waitress for 2 years now.
Whenever he bets we pray he plays a single event and not a parlay so we can all fade him.
I base this on the "you only get so much luck in your life and he's used all of his up on getting her" theory.
Laugh if you will but we clean up regularly fading him.
How does this apply here?
Saleta is divorcing one bunny from Playboy and set to marry another. 'Nuff said.
MayorgaFan said:
Rahman has no reason to be insulted, he's a puncher, not a boxer. His style just works better for Barrett's style.
Byrd is a much better boxer than Rahman, not to mention a southpaw. Since Barrett probably can't stop either one of them, his best chance to win is to outbox his opponent. Much easier to outbox Rahman than Bird.
Rahman probably thinks Barrett should be more afraid of him than Byrd, and I'm sure Barrett is. But Barrett is trying to win, not survive, and his best chance of winning is to outbox the puncher.
Nothing persoanl just smart business, and Rahman should know that.
Barrett weighs in at 224
Heighest weight since 2001
6 pounds heavier than his fights with Beck and Guinn
9 pounds heavier than his fight with Mesi
Heighest weight since 2001
6 pounds heavier than his fights with Beck and Guinn
9 pounds heavier than his fight with Mesi
