I have been leaning with the OVER 9.5 here and with Peter+ money. The money is trickling in on the German so I will wait for a better number on Peter. Be advised, I am not a Peter fan per se. I am just not sure how motivated the older bro really is. I do however feel Peter is highly motivated. The long layoff is a major concern. Guys train hard and "perform" well in the confines of a gym. Facing Peter will not be the same. Vitali is/was and outstanding fighter. Good fundamentals/mental toughness. I'll run with the younger/active guy here, getting odds to boot. As weasel always says, he will never bet another fight in Germany. Understood. It is always a risk, but I am taking my shot with the puppie here. No play Tarver -Dawson; not yet anyway.
Boxing; 10/11/2008; Peter-Klitschko
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Frank,
I'm finding both big fights this weekend quite tough to cap.
I've gone back and forth on the Vitali-Peter fight. One thing that concerns me about the over 9.5 is that I think there is legit heat between the two camps and this could lead to an explosive fight. Honestly I lean a bit toward the under 9.5.
But I AM with you on Peter if you can get +200 (which I think you will be able to get in a few days). I think each has the ability to KO the other.
I certainly agree with your statement that Peter is more motivated. I believe this to be true. 4 years is a long time on the shelf.
Dawson-Tarver. I CAN'T stand Tarver, but I do give him a clear power advantage in this fight. However, if this finds its way to the cards, my instinct tells me Dawson's hand will be raised. Dawson is quite a talented kid.
No final decisions yet for me. Let's see where the odds go.
Good luck bro.
I'm finding both big fights this weekend quite tough to cap.
I've gone back and forth on the Vitali-Peter fight. One thing that concerns me about the over 9.5 is that I think there is legit heat between the two camps and this could lead to an explosive fight. Honestly I lean a bit toward the under 9.5.
But I AM with you on Peter if you can get +200 (which I think you will be able to get in a few days). I think each has the ability to KO the other.
I certainly agree with your statement that Peter is more motivated. I believe this to be true. 4 years is a long time on the shelf.
Dawson-Tarver. I CAN'T stand Tarver, but I do give him a clear power advantage in this fight. However, if this finds its way to the cards, my instinct tells me Dawson's hand will be raised. Dawson is quite a talented kid.
No final decisions yet for me. Let's see where the odds go.
Good luck bro.
GL to you also. I have been getting feedback that guys like the under. Could be. Also what, if any, network we can get is carrying this? I read your comment regarding Evan and his horrible streak. I agree; also I said it before and I still hold to it. This forum is by far better than any other for boxing, and that includes paid cappers. A careful perusal of the collective opinions here is heads above anything available, free or otherwise. Catch you later in the week as more offerings become available.
I think Peter and Trver both need KOs to win their fights.
Keep in mind that Klit has NEVER been behind on the cards in any of his fights. That implies that he is a very good boxer and has excellent skills...very underrated skills IMO. The only thing that keeps me from wagering this is the long lay off. Peter has shown to be a bit ordinary in the skills dept. He can bang with the best but he can also be had. Big Time nearly had him down and out and then gets schooled by Ruiz in his next fight. I lean towards the Ukraine fighter to show a difference in class. IF Klit stays on his feet, he wins.
I can almost say the same thing about Dawson. He has youth and speed and a variety of skills to contend with. The guy is also a very gritty fighter. Johnson was a much more difficult fight than I thought it would be but Dawson came back each time he got in trouble. I can't envision the older guy outworking him here. I do agree that if Tarver lands the big left, he can get Dawson out of there. I would think that Dawson learned a big lesson in his last go and won't get as careless. I have quite a few bucks on Dawson.
Keep in mind that Klit has NEVER been behind on the cards in any of his fights. That implies that he is a very good boxer and has excellent skills...very underrated skills IMO. The only thing that keeps me from wagering this is the long lay off. Peter has shown to be a bit ordinary in the skills dept. He can bang with the best but he can also be had. Big Time nearly had him down and out and then gets schooled by Ruiz in his next fight. I lean towards the Ukraine fighter to show a difference in class. IF Klit stays on his feet, he wins.
I can almost say the same thing about Dawson. He has youth and speed and a variety of skills to contend with. The guy is also a very gritty fighter. Johnson was a much more difficult fight than I thought it would be but Dawson came back each time he got in trouble. I can't envision the older guy outworking him here. I do agree that if Tarver lands the big left, he can get Dawson out of there. I would think that Dawson learned a big lesson in his last go and won't get as careless. I have quite a few bucks on Dawson.
I am on the under at + 165 and fight not going the distance and Vitali straight.
I dont know what you mean about Klit not being motivated. He is very well prepared was never more than 10 pounds over his fighting weight in the four years.
Vitali Klitschko is a professional Fighter. Unlike his Brother he is a natural fighter.
He fights totaly different than his brother he loves when smaller guys come at him with wide punches because he can counter with his money shot right hand. He is 34 kos in 35 fights for a reason. He absolutley wants the stoppage.
Very good match up stylewise for Klit.
But Peters has the power to do damage but Vitali is very hard to hit clean.
I dont know what you mean about Klit not being motivated. He is very well prepared was never more than 10 pounds over his fighting weight in the four years.
Vitali Klitschko is a professional Fighter. Unlike his Brother he is a natural fighter.
He fights totaly different than his brother he loves when smaller guys come at him with wide punches because he can counter with his money shot right hand. He is 34 kos in 35 fights for a reason. He absolutley wants the stoppage.
Very good match up stylewise for Klit.
But Peters has the power to do damage but Vitali is very hard to hit clean.
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Frank, I respectfully disagree. I think, Vitaly is motivated more then Piter.
By the way, you are in Vegas. Have you meet Piter?
I did. Pretty nice guy. He has two beautiful children, seems like happy going guy.
I am taking Vitaly, Under on Vitaly-Piter, and Dawson.
Good luck.
it's crazy sam is underdog now
i think best jab wins the fight
sam prolly gets points deducted for back of the head blows
i think best jab wins the fight
sam prolly gets points deducted for back of the head blows
I did'nt say he isn't motivated, I said I wasn't sure just how much so. Guys come back after almost 4 years and I wonder just what their motivation really is. Plus, I think "ring rust" is very real. Gym prep is important, but the pressure of an actual fight is a different animal. I think we will see Peter trying to bum rush Klits trying to hurt/slow him down. Then we'll see just what's what. Keep betting Klits so I can get better odds!:mj07:
seems we have a european/american split here....
i have always thought vitali was the better of the 2 brothers....not athletically...but,just a better fighter....
and i would take him without hesitating if not for the layoff....
the layoff is the fly in the ointment for me....i can`t imagine anyone taking 4 years off and then stepping right in with a top 3 heavyweight with this kind of will to win and power...
i really don`t get it...
i have always thought vitali was the better of the 2 brothers....not athletically...but,just a better fighter....
and i would take him without hesitating if not for the layoff....
the layoff is the fly in the ointment for me....i can`t imagine anyone taking 4 years off and then stepping right in with a top 3 heavyweight with this kind of will to win and power...
i really don`t get it...
I said this in another thread, but a 4-year layoff after a myriad of injuries is a red flag. Especially injuries to the lower back, anybody whose tried to fight a few amateur rounds with a bad back can tell you how damaging it can be, let alone preparing for a 12-round world title bout. The preparation for the bout must be damaging, let alone the bout itself. It effects your rotation and fluidity, power is generated through the mid-section, you need a healthy abdonmen/lower back to get full torque and coordinated movement. Power punchers rotate their bodies so the full weight of each body part is placed at the end of the punch, a stiff back throws off each element. It's hard to describe, but you'd know what I mean if you tried.
I played the under, Peter wants the KO b/c he cant win a decision, Vitali wants the KO b/c the longer it goes, the more his age and injuries will effect him.
I have a small wager on Tarver, Im thinking to buy it back. This should be a close fight, and Dawson, the younger undefeated guy, should get the nod. I also have a small play on Tarver pts +550, for value. A good prop here would be either guy SD, it should be close, and if there is a promo pull, an SD makes it look more honest.
And I think Peter has value in this bout, I'm taking shot at +150 or above.
I played the under, Peter wants the KO b/c he cant win a decision, Vitali wants the KO b/c the longer it goes, the more his age and injuries will effect him.
I have a small wager on Tarver, Im thinking to buy it back. This should be a close fight, and Dawson, the younger undefeated guy, should get the nod. I also have a small play on Tarver pts +550, for value. A good prop here would be either guy SD, it should be close, and if there is a promo pull, an SD makes it look more honest.
And I think Peter has value in this bout, I'm taking shot at +150 or above.
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Regarding Peter-McCline, Peter suffered a ruptured eardrum in sparring, but didn't pull out.
Aside from that fight, his chin has looked fine.
Aside from that fight, his chin has looked fine.
thinking about parring klit with joe calzaghe and maybe oscar...and hedging with peter inside the distance...
oscar`s odds keep inching down......i really don`t want to put any more money on it because i think there might be alot...i mean alot more pinoy money coming in as we get closer to the fight...
i don`t see calzaghe or oscar losing....i don`t care about jones` win over an undersized,slow,shot trinidad....roy`s done,imo....
calzaghe`s not...he`s bigger and better than jones.....a cute lefty who can punch if he puts his mind to it.....and joe has a better set of whiskers....joe gets up off the canvas........
a stoppage wouldn`t shock me a bit...
and oscar?....lol....ace in the hole....what did vernion forrest say?...if oscar`s fighting pacquaio,shouldn`t i be fighting juan manuel marquez?....
excellent vernon...perfectly said...
oscar`s odds keep inching down......i really don`t want to put any more money on it because i think there might be alot...i mean alot more pinoy money coming in as we get closer to the fight...
i don`t see calzaghe or oscar losing....i don`t care about jones` win over an undersized,slow,shot trinidad....roy`s done,imo....
calzaghe`s not...he`s bigger and better than jones.....a cute lefty who can punch if he puts his mind to it.....and joe has a better set of whiskers....joe gets up off the canvas........
a stoppage wouldn`t shock me a bit...
and oscar?....lol....ace in the hole....what did vernion forrest say?...if oscar`s fighting pacquaio,shouldn`t i be fighting juan manuel marquez?....
excellent vernon...perfectly said...
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Peter +175. This may be one of the biggest bargains I've seen in a long time. I was originally thinking Peter -250 when I heard that Vitali was coming back against him. What's even crazier is that people on this forum are right about it probably moving to +200 by fight time. I wonder if a flood of sharp action hits him at a certain point, as it seems like everyone who likes Peter is laying off at this point.
Regardless, this is a lot of fun -- it's almost like watching a stock.
Regardless, this is a lot of fun -- it's almost like watching a stock.
Well, it is an investment of sorts. Watch stocks! I don't even check my Scottrade account anymore. I'm scared to see how bad it has been decimated. I do agree about the number leaking up on Klits. I think guys are betting on the Klits of 4 years ago and not on the present day essentially unknown commodity. I hope Peter works on the lower body and causes K:mj07: lits back to go out.
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For this weekend I got
LARGE Peter-Klitschko does not go distance (-190)
LARGE parlay in Germany: Solis-Ustinov-Peter-Klit does not go distance
Medium Dawson by Decision
Medium Rodela over Kellly (caught it early)
Small on Samuel Miller to upset David Lopez
Small Cleverly over Oakey tomorrow
Good luck guys....I really hope and pray that Dawson beats the piss out of that loud mouth Tarver.
LARGE Peter-Klitschko does not go distance (-190)
LARGE parlay in Germany: Solis-Ustinov-Peter-Klit does not go distance
Medium Dawson by Decision
Medium Rodela over Kellly (caught it early)
Small on Samuel Miller to upset David Lopez
Small Cleverly over Oakey tomorrow
Good luck guys....I really hope and pray that Dawson beats the piss out of that loud mouth Tarver.
These are my bets-
Klitschko/Peter Under 9 1/2 rounds at +130 Medium. Who knows how Klit will look after being out for 4 years. Sam has stamina issues. Both can punch.
Dawson to beat Tarver at -250 HUGE. I can't get the Elvir fight out of my mind. I still remember the first Harding fight. Harding decimated a prime Tarver, knocking him down and breaking his jaw.
Tarver is fighting someone his own size with speed. Unless he lands the miracle left, he is getting beat.
Dawson to beat Tarver ITD at +410 Medium. In the first Harding fight, Harding murdered Tarver to the body and almost stopped him.
Dawson might just hammer Tarver enough to the body to stop him.
I am off to Australia tomorrow.
Good luck all.
Klitschko/Peter Under 9 1/2 rounds at +130 Medium. Who knows how Klit will look after being out for 4 years. Sam has stamina issues. Both can punch.
Dawson to beat Tarver at -250 HUGE. I can't get the Elvir fight out of my mind. I still remember the first Harding fight. Harding decimated a prime Tarver, knocking him down and breaking his jaw.
Tarver is fighting someone his own size with speed. Unless he lands the miracle left, he is getting beat.
Dawson to beat Tarver ITD at +410 Medium. In the first Harding fight, Harding murdered Tarver to the body and almost stopped him.
Dawson might just hammer Tarver enough to the body to stop him.
I am off to Australia tomorrow.
Good luck all.
Good news for Peter backers: Evan is playing Klitschko BIG. The line should temporarily get better for Peter, I already cashed it at +175.
hehe, unfortunately you might be right.
I think Vitaly looked good at the weigh in, Peter looks to be in decent shape too, but he was a tad to heavy for my liking.
I expect Vitaly to win by late ko, as for the Dawson Tarver fight...Tarver just brings too much to the table and Dawson has chin issues so I will stick with my Tarver play, though I expect Dawson to win a close fight.
I think Vitaly looked good at the weigh in, Peter looks to be in decent shape too, but he was a tad to heavy for my liking.
I expect Vitaly to win by late ko, as for the Dawson Tarver fight...Tarver just brings too much to the table and Dawson has chin issues so I will stick with my Tarver play, though I expect Dawson to win a close fight.
I must have something else in my mind but at no time have i ever thought Vitaly was a good boxer. I alway's thought he looked easy to hit and was sloppy. Who knows which Peters shows up tho.
lol all I meant was that by him playing Vitali, the Vitali line should go up, bringing Peter's up with it. But ya, he's been doing horrible as of late. I stuck around through the bad streak, this is probably the last month though.
Isn't it hilarious that he's now doubled the monthly price for new members? What bad timing.
