Boxing 11/1 - 11/2

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YTD Total: +6.60
1 unit play: 2-2 -1.55
1/2 units: 47-22....+2.75
Dogs: 30-48....+6.05
LT's: 1-21....-0.65


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Parlay

Dirrell over Oganov -875 / Montiel over Rosas -1300 / Abraham over Marquez -1300...(-350)...Lay 3.5 to win 1 unit


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Pending Parlays (all posted in previous threads)


Ortiz over Arrietta -815 (winner) / Abraham over Marquez -1200...(-500)...lay 2.5 to win .50

Valuev-Ruiz Over 9.5 -510 (winner) / Haye over Maskaev -410...(-200)...lay 1.0 to win .50

Klitschko -770 (winner) / Mosley -750 (winner) / Calzaghe -330...(-150)...lay .30 to win .20

No 1st round KD's or KO's -1050 (winner) / Mosley -750 (winner) / Calzaghe -330...(-165)...lay .65 to win .40

Adamek-Gomez Over 4.5 -170 (winner) / Calzaghe over Jones -370...(even)...lay .25 to win .25


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It looks like you really liked Calzage, if you used him in your parlays. Do you still like him now to win, when time of the fight approaching?
 

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good to see you posting locks

BTW Trejo ITD 22 to 1 for those untrusting of Diaz's chin

like I said Diaz should win convincingly, but you never know....Guinn ITD was 22 to 1 last week....can lightning strike twice ?

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It looks like you really liked Calzage, if you used him in your parlays. Do you still like him now to win, when time of the fight approaching?


Roy will have his moments, the handspeed is still there, but when Tarver knocked him out he changed as a fighter. He's scared of getting stopped again imo, and at 38 he can't put his punches togethor and get off like he did before. Calzaghe will force the action and outwork the old man in route to a 116-112 or 117-111 decision. Having said that, I wouldn't feel comfortable laying 3-1 against a fighter of Jones caliber, esp after watching the 43 yr old Hopkins come out of his shell two weeks ago. However, at close to even money, I like Calzaghe to win a unanimous decision here...thus the parlays

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Roy will have his moments, the handspeed is still there, but when Tarver knocked him out he changed as a fighter. He's scared of getting stopped again imo, and at 38 he can't put his punches togethor and get off like he did before. Calzaghe will force the action and outwork the old man in route to a 116-112 or 117-111 decision. Having said that, I wouldn't feel comfortable laying 3-1 against a fighter of Jones caliber, esp after watching the 43 yr old Hopkins come out of his shell two weeks ago. However, at close to even money, I like Calzaghe to win a unanimous decision here...thus the parlays

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this ain`t the old roy jones that earned his livelihood off inhuman reflexes....those reflexes are gone....


he could get by vs an old, blown up, immobile tito trindad....or anthony hanshaw(who got pole axed in his last fight)...


but vs live bodies like tarver and glen johnson?...it was downright ugly...

if calzaghe doesn`t win here,i`ll be shocked...shocked i tells ya`...

go joe...:toast:
 

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ive posted at length on fan forums so i dont want to reiterate everything, but jones' demeanor is making me seriously consider a wager.

in the tito fight we saw roy do something he's never done, which is make adjustments, and follow a gameplan. the roy of old was so good he could practice his cock fighting routines on world class competition. it seems like roy didnt realize he lost those gifts until after the 3rd tarver fight. against tito he clearly watched the winky fight and used the same style, rather than dancing and shooting lead right hands, he stayed close with a high guard and picked tito apart.

the man is an EXCELLENT predictor and analyst, and gives really detailed insight. it seems like more than ever he really tries to understand opponents and other boxers and visualize how match-ups will go down, rather than just assuming he'll whoop em on speed.

roy reminds me of vernon forrest in that they can't be bad guys. they cant be tough killer types, when they have that serious persona it tells you something is wrong. since tarver 3 roy has been smiling, laughing, and genuinely enjoyiong training camp, it took a lot of work to get this fight with joe. if roys heart wasnt in this, he could have given up before fighting in some cracktown in ohio.

the big crapshoot here is jones' stamina. against hanshaw and trinidad, we never knew how much energy roy had left, sicne he was cautious and well ahead on the cards. we all thoguht hop had no energy left, but we were wrong. roy could be in surpirisingly great condition, so rather than shining for a few moments while being oiutworked like we expect, he could in seven rounds and pull this thing out.

not worth a big play on either side imo. Jones still has hand reflexes, what he doesnt have is footspeed, combination punching, and willingness to exchange. his punches get there slower than his opponents, so he cant confidently swing with anybody.

i just see jones picking his spots here, controlling the distance, and landing effective punches compared to joe's volume. i see this panning out similar to the hop-calzaghe fight, where one fighter lands the cleaner, more damaging punches, but the other wins based on volume and perception.
 

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ive posted at length on fan forums so i dont want to reiterate everything, but jones' demeanor is making me seriously consider a wager.

in the tito fight we saw roy do something he's never done, which is make adjustments, and follow a gameplan. the roy of old was so good he could practice his cock fighting routines on world class competition. it seems like roy didnt realize he lost those gifts until after the 3rd tarver fight. against tito he clearly watched the winky fight and used the same style, rather than dancing and shooting lead right hands, he stayed close with a high guard and picked tito apart.

the man is an EXCELLENT predictor and analyst, and gives really detailed insight. it seems like more than ever he really tries to understand opponents and other boxers and visualize how match-ups will go down, rather than just assuming he'll whoop em on speed.

roy reminds me of vernon forrest in that they can't be bad guys. they cant be tough killer types, when they have that serious persona it tells you something is wrong. since tarver 3 roy has been smiling, laughing, and genuinely enjoyiong training camp, it took a lot of work to get this fight with joe. if roys heart wasnt in this, he could have given up before fighting in some cracktown in ohio.

the big crapshoot here is jones' stamina. against hanshaw and trinidad, we never knew how much energy roy had left, sicne he was cautious and well ahead on the cards. we all thoguht hop had no energy left, but we were wrong. roy could be in surpirisingly great condition, so rather than shining for a few moments while being oiutworked like we expect, he could in seven rounds and pull this thing out.

not worth a big play on either side imo. Jones still has hand reflexes, what he doesnt have is footspeed, combination punching, and willingness to exchange. his punches get there slower than his opponents, so he cant confidently swing with anybody.

i just see jones picking his spots here, controlling the distance, and landing effective punches compared to joe's volume. i see this panning out similar to the hop-calzaghe fight, where one fighter lands the cleaner, more damaging punches, but the other wins based on volume and perception.
It's like you are reading my mind mate.

I have a HUGE wager on Jones at +270.

I think someone who can match Joe's speed is going to bother him. Roy no longer has Superman speed but he is still Batman fast.

The punch Hop decked and stunned Joe with did not seem very hard and Roy is a master counterpuncher.

The only thing that bothers me in this fight is Roy's stamina.
I think coming down from Heavyweight screwed his stamina more than anything.
The first Tarver fight was the first time I ever seen Jones start to gas in a fight but his conditioning seems to be better now.

I think Roy got bored with the game and became human but he seems to have his zest back and sometimes older, GREAT fighters have one stunning performance left.
I think this will be Jones.

Good luck all.
 

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It's like you are reading my mind mate.

I have a HUGE wager on Jones at +270.

I think someone who can match Joe's speed is going to bother him. Roy no longer has Superman speed but he is still Batman fast.

The punch Hop decked and stunned Joe with did not seem very hard and Roy is a master counterpuncher.

The only thing that bothers me in this fight is Roy's stamina.
I think coming down from Heavyweight screwed his stamina more than anything.
The first Tarver fight was the first time I ever seen Jones start to gas in a fight but his conditioning seems to be better now.

I think Roy got bored with the game and became human but he seems to have his zest back and sometimes older, GREAT fighters have one stunning performance left.
I think this will be Jones.

Good luck all.

Glad to hear it buddy :thumb:

i agree on roy's stamina, that could be the biggest determinant of the outcome. we really just dont know. he's had several years now to recover from the massive weight drop, and against abadu, hanshaw and trinidad he was never stressed, he kept low activity and was never in danger, so there was no need for him to buckle down and fight. it's interesting to see how roy reacts when he's in a close round with 30 seconds to go, does he have the energy to flurry and steal it, or does he have to conserve for the later rounds?

im definitely wagering on roy, even if it's just tiny. i cant root against the man, nostalgia and goodwill are more important than money.
 

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we have a divergence of opinion...that`s good...

a signature bet,anyone?.....:D

/the hamsters on the wheel in weasel`s evil lil` mind are scurrying like crazy...
 

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Roy will have his moments, the handspeed is still there, but when Tarver knocked him out he changed as a fighter. He's scared of getting stopped again imo, and at 38 he can't put his punches togethor and get off like he did before. Calzaghe will force the action and outwork the old man in route to a 116-112 or 117-111 decision. Having said that, I wouldn't feel comfortable laying 3-1 against a fighter of Jones caliber, esp after watching the 43 yr old Hopkins come out of his shell two weeks ago. However, at close to even money, I like Calzaghe to win a unanimous decision here...thus the parlays

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Thanks. This is strange fight, when it was just announced - I thought it will be clear win for Calzage. Now I read and hear from good cappers different opinions on this fight.
As for me, I am still leaning to Calzage win, like you do, but at those odds I am not betting on him.
 

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Julio Diaz doesn't have much, but he sure had more than Trejo...pathetic fight...

I have a strong opinion on Calzaghe-Jones...will hold
off on that for now

here is what I got for tomorrow:

Dzinziruk-Julio over 10.5 LARGE
(haven't seen a decision prop yet)

Sylvester straight MEDIUM (I respect the opinions here greatly, just have a gut feeling)

Garcia straight over Arce SMALL

Dirrell-Oganov under 8.5 MEDIUM

Montiel under 10.5 MEDIUM (riding this with Frank-who was dead on the money with Kessler last weekend)

still thinking about Mijares-Vic

Good luck fellas...win some cash

feeling very uneasy about all these over-unders....
 

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I agree Sylvester is worth a look-see. Also is Roy Jones. We have seen that anything can, and does happen. I bet Vic under small; Montiel under 4x as much. Also as we spoke of, maybe Julio gets some love also. Lots of dog potential this w/e.
 

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Sylvester straight MEDIUM (I respect the opinions here greatly, just have a gut feeling)

Garcia straight over Arce SMALL

I have a gut feeing about Sylvester too, I played Sylvester to win in 10-12 at +2000.

Arce is really a wide favoriet, I played Garcia to win on poinst at +3300 (5dimes), I think thats his best shot, maybe arce underestimtes him and runs out of gas after a few rounds...

I also played Chave by decision at +139.



I'm also on Vic and Julio...., but nothing major this week fore me...
 

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I have a lot of marbles on the Chavez fight to go 8 rds or more, then on Dzinziruk to win by decision.

Vanda is very durable;He beat Campas 3 years ago and always managed to go the distance in his losses ( he was kod a few years ago because his eardrum got punctured, then fought on for 11 rds against Demers with a broken right hand. ).

Chavez couldn't hurt him, and got tagged clear in return many times.

Dzinziruk is very good and knows how to fight tall; his chin is very sturdy. On the other hand he's more precise than hurtfull, and Julio is rather a conventional puncher. I see only one result, barring a freak injury.
 

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I have a lot of marbles on the Chavez fight to go 8 rds or more, then on Dzinziruk to win by decision.

Vanda is very durable;He beat Campas 3 years ago and always managed to go the distance in his losses ( he was kod a few years ago because his eardrum got punctured, then fought on for 11 rds against Demers with a broken right hand. ).

Good to hear that, I didnt know that he was only stopped because of his eardrum.
 
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