I hate to open a discussion when I can't find a betting line, but this is an interesting fight. From jump street, let me say Williams is a very dangerous dude. Verno has seen better over his LONG carreer, but at a spry 38 yrs. old. I have my reservations. Not sure we'll see a KO, but I like Williams at a price that isn't off the charts. I make Williams a 4-1 fav here. Hope it's less. Opinions?
Boxing; 11/29/2008; Williams-Phillips
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Verno is a savvy fighter in the Glen Johnson mold of fighting well late in his career. He can still beat a lot of guys and is a legit top 10 but Williams brings too much to the table in all facets of the game. Also, in his penultimate fight he struggled with lanky Eduardo Sanchez and Williams is 3 levels above him. I don't expect to see anything under -600 on Williams. Williams by KO.
I hope to goodness the oddsmakers, who do read this site agree with your opening line, but I'm not holding my breath. C'mon oddsmakers, Williams isn't proven or maybe even fought at 154- Make him a slight dog !!
if williams is the dog,then i believe that the mayans were correct and the world really does end in 2012....
williams is gonna be a very,very large favorite....
williams is gonna be a very,very large favorite....
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PWill is -1000 in the U.K.
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/boxing
Guess that puts Williams straight out of the equation
LOL
guess the question now is whether he can get Verno out of there or not
http://www.oddschecker.com/other-sports/boxing
Guess that puts Williams straight out of the equation
LOL
guess the question now is whether he can get Verno out of there or not
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Indeed, Verno got a gift decision against Spinks. A gift decision that cost me a ton of money . Spinks straight and Spinks decision ended a half dozen or more parlays.
Im curious as to how the props open up, on dec or ko. I want KO +400, +300 is more likely.
. Spinks straight and Spinks decision ended a half dozen or more parlays. Im curious as to how the props open up, on dec or ko. I want KO +400, +300 is more likely.
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P-Will -500
at sportsbook.com
NJ I had Spinks by decision LARGE as well
I was a more than stunned when that decision was announced for Phillips
I didn't think Verno had done enough at all to win the fight
He had a huge last few rounds, but Cory had banked the majority before then
at sportsbook.com
NJ I had Spinks by decision LARGE as well
I was a more than stunned when that decision was announced for Phillips
I didn't think Verno had done enough at all to win the fight
He had a huge last few rounds, but Cory had banked the majority before then
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I hope to goodness the oddsmakers, who do read this site agree with your opening line, but I'm not holding my breath. C'mon oddsmakers, Williams isn't proven or maybe even fought at 154- Make him a slight dog !!
..Graham...
..Graham, where are you....
:142smilie
I always have these delusions about potential send out numbers. What can I say. A guy can dream, can't he?
-500 is a good line, I'd play it if I used sb.com
Spinks-Phillips hurt the most b/c I didn't even listen to the decision. I actually tabulated my bets as wins as soon as the fight ended and closed my stream, since it was an obvious win in his hometown. Imagine my shock 10 minutes later when I not only had to deduct my winnings, but account for huge losses to boot.
Similarly to Juan Diaz-Katsidis, I tabulated the Diaz winnings before the verdict was announced, it was dead obvious in his hometown. And yet I was so close to losing it all.
frikn judges! betting on boxing can be so cruel.
Spinks-Phillips hurt the most b/c I didn't even listen to the decision. I actually tabulated my bets as wins as soon as the fight ended and closed my stream, since it was an obvious win in his hometown. Imagine my shock 10 minutes later when I not only had to deduct my winnings, but account for huge losses to boot.
Similarly to Juan Diaz-Katsidis, I tabulated the Diaz winnings before the verdict was announced, it was dead obvious in his hometown. And yet I was so close to losing it all.
frikn judges! betting on boxing can be so cruel.
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They simply robbed the champion in his own hometown. I don't remember coming across something as shocking and obviously evil as this.
Even the Cortez fiasco was the doing of one man; here it was clearly the conspiring of a group of corrupt individuals intent on defrauding ths whole boxing community and getting away with it..
Maybe the robbery of Jones during the olympics fits this category, though one could not be entirely surprised there knowing the reputation of the boxing scoring in this event.
No way to predict this, except King was involved.
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I remember that I contemplated to bet on Verno by decision since it was +1500 or the like...but then I thought don king is spinks promoter so he will take care that he doesnt lose...ironically, it seems as though the man that I thought would take care that Verno loses probably was involved in making him the winner...
I agree with you it seems as though Williams is too young, too big and too active for the aging Phillips...however I was absolutely shocked to see Williams lose to Quintana...he just looked like a shell of the fighter that fought Margarito...and then in the rematch he looked as of old again...I know that this has to be attributed to his problems of making weight, but still...I dont know if I can bring myself to bet on Williams big....
Here are the round props for this fight (sportsbook)
Over 9.5 (even)
Under 9.5 (-140)
I'm actually a little surprised to see that books believe this fight will end inside the distance...I was contemplating a bet on the fight to go under at good + odds, but now, I migt take a shot at the over...
I agree with you it seems as though Williams is too young, too big and too active for the aging Phillips...however I was absolutely shocked to see Williams lose to Quintana...he just looked like a shell of the fighter that fought Margarito...and then in the rematch he looked as of old again...I know that this has to be attributed to his problems of making weight, but still...I dont know if I can bring myself to bet on Williams big....
Here are the round props for this fight (sportsbook)
Over 9.5 (even)
Under 9.5 (-140)
I'm actually a little surprised to see that books believe this fight will end inside the distance...I was contemplating a bet on the fight to go under at good + odds, but now, I migt take a shot at the over...
honestly...i was surprised that folks were willing to lay 5-1 on spinks.....regardless of the promotional and hometown advantages....
phillips has now been involved in 5 split/majority/draw decisions in his career...and is very difficult to get out of there...and the majority of his losses are close decisions...
judges seem to give him credit for fighting hard,whether he`s effective or not... :shrug:
he tries hard from bell to bell...even though he`s limited...
but,he`s out of his depth with williams,imo...unless williams overlooks him,which i doubt.....not to mention being 39 years old on the day of the fight....
39!....
i think i`ll wait for oscar/manny...
happy thanksgiving guys(to those that observe the holiday)...:thumb:
phillips has now been involved in 5 split/majority/draw decisions in his career...and is very difficult to get out of there...and the majority of his losses are close decisions...
judges seem to give him credit for fighting hard,whether he`s effective or not... :shrug:
he tries hard from bell to bell...even though he`s limited...
but,he`s out of his depth with williams,imo...unless williams overlooks him,which i doubt.....not to mention being 39 years old on the day of the fight....
39!....
i think i`ll wait for oscar/manny...
happy thanksgiving guys(to those that observe the holiday)...:thumb:
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I recall having a few bucks on Spinks in parlays and I wasn't suprised they gave it to Phillips. Spinks was underprepared and was just holding on at best late. Spinks is not a toe to toe guy and because he wasn't in shape , he was forced to stand and trade and Phillips was getting the better of it and I recall thinking Spinks was lucky Phillips couldn't punch. Spinks had to come down in weight rapidly after Taylor and looked horrible, making Phillips look better than he is. Williams having gone thru overlooking someone in Quintana 1, paid for it dearly and is very unlikely to make the same mistake. The only question IMO is whether Phillips finishishes the fight. Williams will have more legs at 154, a much more natural weight for him.
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Bingo.
Excellent post punch.
Spinks made Phillips look WAY better than he is. P-Will won't slip again this soon.
A UD or late stoppage for the Punisher with a wide margin on the cards the whole way.
Now, Arreola on the other hand, should be interesting. He should knock Walker out, but that one is going to be bombs on bombs from the first bell.
Happy Thanksgiving fellas ! :mj06:
Excellent post punch.
Spinks made Phillips look WAY better than he is. P-Will won't slip again this soon.
A UD or late stoppage for the Punisher with a wide margin on the cards the whole way.
Now, Arreola on the other hand, should be interesting. He should knock Walker out, but that one is going to be bombs on bombs from the first bell.
Happy Thanksgiving fellas ! :mj06:
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I don't know many people who objectively scored it for Vernon.
I had the over in this fight, mainly because the difference with Cory by dec was smallish.
It's true Spinks wasn't in his best shape; yet he was still able to win the early and middle rounds.
Vernon, for which i have the utmost respect, landed good shots at the end, but got outscored throughout.
One might argue he didn't win more than 4 rds at best.
The decision should have been a formality, as Spinks was in his backyard and he arguably won 8 rds. Plus he had benefited in the past in close dec ( karmazin, Mayorga) with King at his side.
If Williams doesn't act with compassion for his foe like Joe and Taylor did a few weeks ago, I don't think Vernon hears the final bell this saturday.
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Again, Williams, first 3 rounds prop. This is HBO, no? Arreola same train of thought. Parlay this to an even $ play, MAYBE, depending on what's thrown at us.
I'm leaning toward a stoppage for Williams. Towel thrown in-doesn't answer bell, etc. This looks like rounds of sustained punishment. Why let it go on? Verno will slip and slide, but PW is/will be too much. Huge mismatch.
I'm with the majority here, I think Williams will at one point stop Phillips, as frank pointed out: towel thrown in, etc...but I'm pretty sure that Phillips will go quite a few rounds...so right now I'm looking at a late round ko for Williams...the over / under will be a close call I believe...
