Boxing 9/23 - 9/25

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YTD Total: +9.05 units
2 unit plays: 1-0 +2
1 unit plays: 10-4 +1.1
.5 unit plays 43-19 +4.5
Dogs: 13-22 +1.45

9/23 Toney wins inside distance -118 lay .25 to win .2 (loser)

9/24 Lopez over Keb-Baas -270.....lay .8 to win .3 (winner)

Parlay
9/23 Toney over Booker -900 (winner)
9/24 Froch over Hague -1000 (winner)
9/25 Jones over Johnson -930 (loser)...lay 1 to make .35

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Adding a few small plays

Toney wins inside distance -118 lay .25 to win .2

Shieka-Reid under 9.5 +175 lay .2 to win .35

Parlay
Shieka over Reid -360
Lopez over Keb-Baas -300 lay .5 to win .35

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Eastman-Sendra and Sheika-Reid were cancelled so I made a few changes as posted above.

I might add a proposition for the Jones-Johnson fight, not sure yet.

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Toney won by UD
Froch won by 1st round TKO
Lopez won by 11th round TKO

Now I just need Jones Jr. to finish off another good week.

There's alot of great action next week. I'll try to get a head start on them tonight and post my plays early this week.

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I'm very yempted to play Jones Jr. by ko, tko, or dq at +150. I know Johnson has a great chin but he was stopped by Hopkins at 160 about 7 years ago. Jones has something to prove in this fight and while I have much respect for Johnson he is no Tarver. I expect Jones to take his frustrations out on Johnson and he'll be looking for a ko to impress and prove he hasn't lost it. He may not get it but +150 seems very generous to me.

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well,spank me and call me nelly.......whoda` thunk it.....

why didn`t we see it?..

i wrote a long thread on another boxing site about how hard it was for jones to make 175.....after going up in weight to fight ruiz....then dropping ALL that weight to get to 175 to fight tarver...he basically had to lose muscle to get to 175...the guy carried no fat whatsoever........he looked like an aids victim in that first tarver bout....

but,to get knocked the f-ck out cold by glen johnson?.......

jones can never set foot in the ring again...it`s over...

they say it happens fast....when you hit that wall.....it happened to jones after the ruiz fight.......he was such a great athlete that he slid by in the first tarver fight....

the ramifications?......this was a brutal hit to tarver`s rep....i never thought tarver was all that.....i saw eric harding beat tarver silly...then harding got involved in druga or something and was never the same...and just disappeared....

tarver`s the biggest loser here....after jones...

i`m happy for johnson......after all those bad decisions....all the unfairness...fighting in everybody else`s backyards.....

good for johnson.....

tarver?.....he takes a bit hit...the jones k.o. wasn`t all that...

this is why we love boxing......whew....
 

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wow...all the talk a week ago about fighters getting old over night was directed at Bernard Hopkins...turns out it was meant for Roy Jones. A great fighter who should have had more great fights. I was hoping a Toney rematch would materialize...looks like that possiblity is gone. Roy should retire for his own good.
 

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Seems quite a fight.....not seen it yet, but the BBC are showing it as live over here tonight!!

Really got me thinking how Johnson-Calzaghe would have gone, now this result has been known. Would be interested in what has been reported over there in the US, but a lot of talk over here that Calzaghe is looking to fight Tarver, and that promoter Frank Warren is persuing discussions with Tarvers camp.

Also, surely this gives Calzaghe a good chance of getting his shot at Johnson after all, or will Johnsons pay demands be so high now after this result, that the fight will never take place??

Will be interested to here the 'American' view?? :rolleyes:
 

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if frank warren hasn`t ruined calzaghe,i take calzaghe....

but,with all the postponements...the reticence of warren to let calzaghe...or hatton for that matter.....have big fights vs dangerous opponents,it`s hard to say how far calzaghe has regressed....

warren is a bane on boxing in the british isles.....much like kohl in germany...

and many say don king and arum in the states....

calzaghe was a top drawer fighter......

right now....at the very least he`s a bit stale....

he`s a better fighter than johnson.....or was....if both are at the top of their game,calzaghe gets it...

the question is,where is calzaghe`s head right now?....is he sharp?....i doubt it...
 

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That was an absolutely pathetic performance from Jones. It wasn't even a competitive fight as Jones would go full rounds without throwing a decent combination. Maybe he was hurt by the barrage of punches Johnson threw in the first round. Either way he's done for sure.

Lets not forget that Calzaghe would have to step up to light-heavy for the first time to take on one of the best fighters in the division.

Calzaghe showed a questionable chin when he was rocked in the Mitchell fight (at 168). Johnson hasn't been known as a big puncher in the past but he has worked on his power lately. Clinton Woods admitted he was severly hurt by Johnson early in their rematch and never fully recovered during the fight. Jones was obviously washed up but Johnson nailed him with a few shots that would have hurt any light-heavy not to mention a blown up super-middle with a suspect chin. And Johnson has an excellent chin at 175 so he should have no problem taking Calzaghe's super-middle power.

Since the fight would be in Wales, Johnson would know not to leave it in the judges hands. He would go right at Calzaghe from the opening bell. Since he's the bigger and stronger man with the better chin he would force Calzaghe to trade and would either catch him early or wear him down late.

I played Johnson over Calzaghe at +350 or so as soon as it hit the board, unfortunatly Calzaghe pulled out again.
 
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Tarver would ko Calzaghe also, he is way too big, way too strong, and a southpaw also. Calzaghe has a much better chance against Johnson.

Tarver-Johnson would be interesting.
 
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hopefully Johnson is in a position where he wouldn't have to leave the country to fight Calzaghe. Of course there's no way Frank Warren will let Calzaghe leave his backyard.
 

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Thanks for the comments guys!!! Some interesting replies.

Firstly, the common theme is that Frank Warren is holding back his best boxers. This is the consensus over here in the UK as well, and Hatton in paticular, if Warren fails to get these guys the big fights, then these boxers will part from Frank Warren, but I am not even sure there is another promoter in the UK who can deliver the big box office fights apart from Warren.

Firstly, let me just say my comments about Calzaghe are a little personal, so that is why they may appear a little biased. I know Joe well, and my mother knows him even better, as she ran a business right next to Calzaghe's gym where he trained since he was fourteen. I also know Enzo, who is Calzaghe's Dad and trainer.

Your comments about him being a bit stale are spot on. However, not all blame can be laid on Frank Warren. It is mainly due to the fact that Calzaghe has dominated the Super Middlewieght division for so long, that there is nobody left to box. In fact the number one contender to his throne at the moment, is German Mario Veit, a man Calzaghe knocked out in round one a few years back. As far as Calzaghe is concerned his business at this level is done.

Moving on......I HAVE to take issue with BL comments that Calzaghe has a suspect chin. The guy has seen the canvas once in his entire career (that is 37 fights), and even then he got back up off the floor and demolished Mitchell. Until you see Calzaghe on the floor more often, there is NO way you can say he has a suspect chin. I also dispute the fact that a points decision in the UK would be biased. We are not talking about Las Vegas or Germany here, and apart from Johnson-Woods Part One, I cannot remember a fight in the UK that has had a dodgy points outcome. I have said this once on these boards in the past, but the fact that UK fights have the 'home town' decision is just an American myth!!

Finally, about two months before the Calzaghe-Johnson fight, Calzaghe was about to divorce his wife, and had a court case for assault staring him down the face (it has snce been dropped!) You will find that this was the real decision behind Calzaghe's withdrawal. I really think Johnsons decision to cancel stunned Calzaghe. I cannot begrudge Johnson, as he was the belt holder, but nobody was expecting Johnson to cancel!!!

Also a big reason behind Calzaghe not travelling much to fight is his buge fear of flying. He has only flown twice....once to fight in Denmark on a Mike Tyson card, and second to promote his Charles Brewer fight out in the USA, but he has said he is willing to fight anybody out in the USA if it can be arranged.

Finally, Calzaghe moving up to light-heavy is a natural step. He has always struggled to make the weight at super-middle somewhat, and there is the argument that he will be stronger at light heavyweight, due to his weight being at a more natural level.

I was not really asking the board on who would win a Calzaghe-Johnson fight or a Calzaghe-Tarver contest.... I know those answers myself!! ;-) and I can assure you it is not Tarver or Johnson, but more what is the gossip out in the USA on how this Johnson win opens up the light heavyweight divison to other fighters, and wether Calzaghe is being talked about???
 

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lets not forget that johnson was a middle/super middle for a good portion of his career....

don`t get me wrong...johnson has my respect...i`m happy for a guy that has gotten the shitty end of the stick time and again...a very classy,workman-like boxer...that has to be goosed by this win....

but,imo,as i said,at their best,calzaghe is better...not -350 better...but better...

he`s better than woods,too,imo...

tall lefties that can fight are very tough nuts to crack....

we can`t get carried away with what happened to jones....

it`s over for roy...was probably over when he tried to come back down to 175 after ruiz....

that`s an opinion...and you know what they say about opinions....lol...

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Got to agree there GW....no fighter should be -350 against Johnson, as he is so tough mentally. He will never give up, and is a true professional. I would never take any -350 about anybody fighting Johnson!
 

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Chi-Brodie I was also another bad decision that happened in Britain fairly recently. Also, Calzaghe has NOT cleaned out the SMW division. When did he ever unify any belts? Never and there are some good fighters like Danny Green and Mikkel Kessler that he could fight as well. I like Calzaghe, he has a very entertaining style but his competition level leaves a lot to be desired. In all honesty it flat out sucks.
 

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mayorga...i agree....calzaghe should be fighting the best guys in the division....should have happened years ago...

now it`s hatton...

and it`s ashamed...particularly in calzaghe`s case....
 

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There's no one left for him to box at 168 ???

Here's a long list of quality fighters Calzaghe hasn't fought...

Manny Siacca
Anthony Mundine
Antwun Echols
Danny Green
Markus Beyer
Mads Larsen
Brian McGee
Danilo Haussler
Jeff Lacy
Syd Vanderpool
Rudy Markussen
Mikkel Kessler
Sven Ottke (now retired)

The best fighters he has fought are...

Charles Brewer
Calzaghe won by UD

Robin Reid
Calzaghe won by split decision in Wales, one judge had it 116-111 for Reid.

Byron Mitchell
Mitchell floored Calzaghe in the second round, Calzaghe came back to stop Mitchell later in the round but most considered it a contraversial (early) stoppage. I remember the way Calzaghe looked after getting dropped. In my opinion Mitchell was one punch away from stopping Calzaghe.

How can you say there's no one left to fight at 168 when he has only fought 3 of the top 16 fighters in the division?
 
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I dont think there is any doubt that Calzaghe is the best Super Middle weight in the world, and has been for a good while now. You name that list, yet there are some very poor fighters on there, who Calzaghe need not bother with. When Brewer and Hopkins came over, they were considered to be the best 168's in the USA.

The way Calzaghe looked when he got dropped was the face of somebody who has never been on the canvas before. That was why you got that look!! And you continue and fail to give Calzaghe any credit for getting up off the deck and knocking Hopkins around the ring. Yes, the stoppage was perhaps a little premature, but I was four rows from ringside in that fight, and if the stoppage hadnt come then, it would have been a few seconds later. At that point in the fight, Hopkins had no answer for Calzaghe's hand speed.

With reference to Robin Reid, that was probably Calzaghe's toughest fight to date. There was no controversy really in the points decison, as it was widely thought over here that Calzaghe had won the fight. He was also fighting that bout with a injured hand, that troubled him for over a year.

One of the better fighters on your list...Sven Ottke never wanted to fight outside of his own country,Markus Beyer refused to fight Calzaghe and Ottke turned down a huge offer to fight Calzaghe. Within a few months, we found out why......Robin Reid (another Calzaghe victim) ent over to Germany and crushed the Ottke myth, only for corrupt judges to hand the fight to Ottke.

And finally, I dont think the fact that Calzaghe has not unified the divison is a sign in boxing these days of the best fighter in a given weight. We all know politics plays a massive part in boxing these days, and that some of the versions are not even wirth lacing up the boots for, so dont let that could your opinion of Calzaghe!

Anyway, as I type, I read that Johnson is calling out Calzaghe for a fight at light-heavy, so I guess this argument will be settled once and for all sooner rather than later!
 

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You mean Mitchell, not Hopkins

You are right, I don't have another example of Calzaghe getting knocked on his ass. I just have a feeling based on what I saw that it could happen again. But it could happen to anyone if you get caught with the right punch, and maybe thats what happened. I am impressed that he got up and stopped Mitchell.

Let me get a few things straight here. I think Calzaghe is a great fighter and probably the best s-middle right now but he needs a few more big wins before I can agree that he has dominated the division. Kabery Salem is not a big win.

Calzaghe has great handspeed and alot of power. If he can maintain both carrying the extra weight and take a lightheavy punch he will be fine moving up. I just think stepping up in weight for the first time against a fighter like Johnson or Tarver is very dangerous.
 
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