Boxing Brains

[Oddessa]

Did anyone watch Hopkins Trinidad? People are calling Hopkins to beat RJJ. Can Oscar beat RJJ? I mean what in the hell is going on here. If Osacr beat Hopkins I will shit in my hat and wear it and post the pic at MW. I'm -145 now and sick to my stomach about it. I belive I am giving money away at anything less than -200, and thats fukin low. Should I retire? Am I missing something here? Has Oscar beaten anyone as of late? I figured I would post this here bc you have some sharp insiders as well. I will add this is the sharpest of the sharpest boxing board on gambling on net, minus 2 regulars that I know...........and can't let them outa the bag. - Joey

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Hopkins was too big and too strong for Trinidad, and at 160 he would be too big and too stong for DLH. The difference is that they will be fighting at 157, which is right between light-middle and middleweight. Hopkins may have to adjust his training and preparing to make that weight.

I wouldn't pick Hopkins to beat Jones. Roy won't fight under 175, Bernard wouldn't stand a chance at that weight, and he wouldn't put himself in that position in the first place.

I'm going to wait untill DLH makes his middleweight debut and see how he handles the extra pounds. I also want to see if his power carries well at the new weight, then I will make my plays.

You said that you feel you are giving away money at anything less than -200 and even that line is too low, but you still have him at -155? I've seen other books that have Hopkins at -200. Unless you are already getting descent money on DLH, why wouldn't you put the line where you think it should be and where others already have it?

Something's fishy...
You come in here and tell everyone that Hopkins should beat DLH and that the line you have on him is way off. Don't you think by posting this you will get even more people taking Hopkins and the free money you claim you are giving away?

Or maybe this is a setup, you know eventually big money will come in on DLH (like it always does) and this time he will be a dog so you could lose your ass if he wins. So you are trying to get as much money on Hopkins as possible by posting a sales pitch for why Hopkins will win and advertising your cheap line on him.

I'm not saying that is the case. I just can't figure out why a boxing oddsmaker would set his book up to take a hit by posting a play on a fighter and advertising the cheap line his book is offering on that fighter.

bl

 

[gardenweasel]

what can i say?

what can i say?

that b.l. didn`t already say?........sounds like the same question that i asked at the rx....only stated a little more succinctly...... ..

 

[Oddessa]

For starters, I wrote over 30k in the first 10 hours since the bout opened.

I posted at MW..........Hopkins opens at -240 on 2/26 at 4:11pm, keeping players informed and letting them know the line 'is now sitting at -205. All Oscar money early.'

People kept betting Oscar.

Then I was informed at 02/26/2004 7:50 PM -Val @ MW
'Those dumbasses at the MGM grand only made Hopkins -115. What a joke they are. If I lived in Vegas I would throw my life savings on Hopkins at those odds. ' from a MW poster in same thread.

02/26/2004 11:26 PM TTinco @ MW
'Down to -180'


sphincter @RX
posted February 27, 2004 11:43 AM
this thing opened at around -250(i think)...was bet down in a day or two to around -175.....and i think that`s a bit low..a good deal low,imo..unless bernard gets old overnight....



J/Oddessa @ RX
posted February 27, 2004 12:10 PM
You want to laugh and be pissed at same time? The MGM opened Hopkins -115. Thats why I got bet down so much from -250 to -175. Comical. They also hung DLH -300 over Mosely when we opened DLH -130. We got bet up. What a perfect world. LOL.




02/27/2004 6:24 PM @ MW Val
'Hopkins down to -160. I have never seen such strange line movement. What are people thinking .'

02/27/2004 6:30 PM @ MW Oddessa
'I saw real fast a few times.................Oscar vs Shane opens -140 w/ me............closed -220. Tua/ Byrd opens -200 closes -650. Chalk lost both.'


At this point SPIRO took the line OFF THE BOARD. I was a bit upset. And now wondering if I made a shit number.

02/29/2004 2:34 PM Oddessa
'TTT for -145.................what the hell is going on here? This is Osacrs 30 million dollar retirement fund. I will put it back on board after everyone gets all the + money and reopen when the right number is there again. -200. This is a joke. Show me a PK and I will show you a bridgejumper if DLH wins. BC I will certainly leap when I lose my house, car and life. '


posted February 29, 2004 09:19 PM J/Oddessa@RX
Sphint.........I never took the number down. Either Spiro or some one in charge down there took it down. Frankly I'm fukin disgusted to wake up and see it off the board. esp when every otehr book has the same copied number on it excepopt vegas. I am publicly venting my disgust. I imagine if my numbers arent solid enough, I will be looking for new employment VERY soon. I didnt even get the curtousy of an email from Oly that they took it down. last I knew I was the boxing guy. And I make the fukin numbers. I am in forums bc I am embarrassed at how this is playing out. '


Now..................I am hardly chumming for anything. In fact I could give a shit b/c I wrote nearly 40k on DLH so far and the Hopkins money has the dec back to around 20k. I was simply engaging in general boxing talk at this forum as I do in many others. Olympic writes volume. This fight will maybe write 250k plus on it if it goes. I don't mind the slap talk, but don't throw me in a category of shilling for action. I porefered to keep the number offline knowing that BRAINS would bring it back up. Pardon me if I am taking the reaction to my posts the wrong way, but I will not post anymore if you belive this is a mascarade to get dollars from posters ona side that I need. I have 6 months. Give mea little credit here. If you would rather I dont post, I can respect taht. But please have enough rspect for meto not engage in local bar room touting. Our average Don best Screen bout is 6 figures in volume. I just was asking if MAYBE in you guys opinions, I made a bad number. It was already hit severely so I saw no harm in discusion. I asked teh same question in MW months back and Sonny palermo gave me the answer I was looking for..........Stations opened Oscar -300 to my -140 against Shane.
Good luk fellows and no ill will. I was just voicing and honest opinion along with a question and got a little heat from it. Wont happen again.














:nono: :nono:

 

[Oddessa]

'I'm -145 now and sick to my stomach about it. I belive I am giving money away at anything less than -200, and thats fukin low. Should I retire? Am I missing something here? '


That wqas my basic question. I figured that bc this is primarily a boxing forum at Mad Jacks, that you guys wouldnt come out swinging.....no pun intended. It was SPIRO that move dthe number, asnd he taht took it off the board. If I had my way, it would have stayed at -200. And 1 more note. WSEX made it public that they had DLH +190 AFTER all my posts were made. So I surely could have gotten the buyback there, had I wanted it. It was opinions, discussion I was looking for.

posted March 03, 2004 01:11 PM GIL @ RX
'I took De La Hoya for +190 against Hopkins at WSEX. I think Hopkins age will play a factor.'

 

[BOXLOCKS]

I apologize for assuming the worst from your post but I'm sure you can see how I/we can get defensive when "the enemy" shows up talking about how one fighter will win and advertising a cheap line on that fighter from the book he is responsible for.

No hard feelings but if we tell you what we think the line will move against us, thats why I didn't want to give you my thoughts on this fight. If I tell you what I plan on taking before I play it, and you think my opinion is solid, the line will move against me. This fight is 5 months away, some people don't like to tie up money that far ahead.

On the other hand if your intentions are sincere, it would be nice to have you around for certain questions and info. For instance, are you really getting money on Archuleta tomarrow night?

Like I said, I apologize for assuming the worst, but I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from.

bl

 

[Oddessa]

No problem. I will tell you this. The number you see listed 1st on board at OLY, the screen opener, is not the orig number. I have 1 guy. That bets limits, on almsot every bout, before it hits screen that I move heavily off of. He doesn't post those opinions in the forums as per our agreement and he is maybe the sharpest I've seen in the past year or so. Granted, the UFC is my baby, along with the PRIDE events, so I tend to not give an opinion if it matters to my 'write' but when I am writing so much volume on bouts, it dosn't hurt to chat it up here or there. If I need a side or love it allot, and am asked like in MW so often, I have someone IM me privately. If they bet it back at me, i Just lose their number..........LOL. I like most gamblers, oddsmakers, have a huge ego and when a guy I hang as a fav loses I take it to heart. And if I publicly post that I like side, its sincere. My number is usually adjusted already. EX: Johnson over Woods.......Gonzales losin Germany to Erdei, Timo Hoffman...i didnt even hang that fixer..........Johns I would abet myself and hung much higher than -160 and so on. If I post in my name, its from the hip. Thanks for understandingand all the best.

 

[MayorgaFan]

This is val/valdosta the same guy who posts on MW and RX. I am the guy who get's OD's opener. SOmething you guys should remember is that the bookie is always going to adjust there line according to who they like so they can get $$$ on the other side. Obviously in a perfect world you want balanced action because then they win no matter what but that's not very realistic. Him giving his opinion isn't that big of a deal because of those reasons (the line is already adjusted according to his lean). Anyways, OD is NOT going to give someone the wrong side,shill or do any shit like that. When he asks something it's legit. There are a couple of shills at MW and RX that we kind of laught at, he's not a hypocrite though.

Another thing is at least OLY don;t cut there limits. I don;t know if anyone else has noticed but when 5dimes creates there own numbers they cut the limit in half which is a joke. They also widen up there line if it is created by them. Anyways, I know and talk to OD more than most people and although he is on the other side of the counter he does have a heart and won't **** someone intentionally.

Next thing is it seem MMA is where he does the majority of his bussiness. TONS of books clone the boxing lines but a lot fewer are willing to clone UFC so they get a lot more action on UFC than boxing. UFC is more of a make it or break it sport for his department.

 

[gardenweasel]

joey

joey

as i said at the rx......i love ya`...oly and 5 dimes make life better for guys like me that grew up with and love boxing.......EVEN small potatoes guys like me that just wager because they love the game.....not to supplement their income...

i call `em as i sees `em....the post looked funny to me...obviously,boxlocks was skeptical also....i`m not always right...


my mistake......no disrespect intended...:shrug:

 

[Oddessa]

Its all good guys. I just had to make it clear I wasn't being unethical. One thing though. You guys arent 'the enemy' nor shoudl I be. You are simply a good group of customers/clients that generate good action and keep the boxing boat floating that I am sailing. I'm not your enemy. Someone has to win and lose. Thats the game. I prefer the name ' boxing tactical/intellectaul paper opponent'. LOL. Take care and best of luck.

Joey

 

[Sonny Palermo]

OD,

when it comes to boxing odds, and you vs. Vegas, you have no worries;

as for Oscar/Hopkins?
Bernard has always been underrated. Always will be. I got trashed (not here at MJ's; in Vegas and via e-mail) for picking him in Ring Sports mag over "the great Tito" and for the line I made.
Same deal here. I made Bernard -180 over Oscar
(and frankly, did so thinking of all the Oscar-heads that will bet him no matter what) but honestly don't think this one ever happens.

with the exception of one, maybe two guys, the Vegas bookies who hang boxing numbers are not knowledgeable on the sport -at all;
remember - these same guys opened Oscar at, what, -250 over Shane, and you opened, what -140? -150?

And what happened then (no question mark - rhetorical question).


MGM? We're talking about a guy who hangs prices like -150 on b-ball totals for Gods sake!

You know what you know, don't sway.

Hope all is well,
Sonny

 

[rrc]

Great to have...

Great to have...

Oddessa,Val (mayorgafan), and Sonny stop by. Most everything these guys post is certainly worth considering.

 

[Oddessa]

When I titled this thread boxing brains, I wasn't kidding. This is where the most educated fight posters post out of the big 3 posting sites IMO. I drop in here a few times a week. Good to Sonny here too.


In fact, Sonny, if you read this, please drop me an email.

[edit out email by admin] Thanks.- Joey

 

[BOXLOCKS]

mayorgafan
Yes 5dimes widens their lines when they are created by them, but at least I can get action on those fights and the lines aren't any worse than what Oly hangs on a daily basis. Hell Oly is home of the -140 / +100 special. I don't care 5dimes copies lines, as long as I can get a -140/+120 or a -120/+100 thats all I care about.

Btw, I can still play propositions like by decision, within distance, and multiple round totals at 5dimes. I haven't seen anything like that at Oly for a while now.

 

[Oddessa]

6 months later..................

 

[SPIDER]

maybe i am missing something but if you are sick to your stomach about giving money away why dont you raise the line. thats what i dont understand.
should be a great fight, neither fighter looked that great in their last fight, i didnt even think oscar won his bout.

spider

 

[Oddessa]

I will not go into details on how I move the number and so on. Gyuys that fully understsnd how this bizness works, understand how I worded the question that was primarily a DISCUSSION. I no longer work with the Greek and am fully independent and don't have money problems at all. Sonny P understood teh Mosely/DLH question and discussion months ago.


If you guys prefer I did not post, then its really your loss. I am human. No need for me to shill and so on.


If you looked at LVSC OPENER on santos vs Margarito, they opened santos -130/+110. Now that was fuked IMO. A bad number. I went knowingly and opened Marg PK (when I wanted to open him -200, even in Puerto Rico) expecting people to respect the Vegas number. Well sure enough its now Margarito -165. This would be a similar type thread had I opened it here on the topic and sure enough, I imagine the 'conspiracy' guys would come out of the woodwork claimin I am the enemy and so on. I could give a $hit honestly. I offer honest opinions, news, and so on in these forums , unlike 70% of the people in this bizness. I answer every email that gets sent to me on my OWN TIME. I try to answer posting questions. I am VERY VERY long with DLH money now. I hope it stays that way. I feel my number/opener is as strong as anyones out there.............and it shows when they get copied by the books. Try not to treat me like a dik and I will do the same in return. I dont mislead and play games. This is a bizness I take VERY seriously , so much as that I gave up 75k plus yr running my credit shop to work on the fights. Its a passion. I am a fan , a BM, and a human being at the same time. the money and limits that are influenced by a posting board on any site can't scratch the ass on the volume written 2 hours before a fight let alone 6 months before. The numbers are getting dealt to the planet, not the forums. LOL. I think you guys get my point. The conspiracy theoryus and so on are BS. I am sure that Boxloks,Myfan, Garden, and others seem to know my integrity by now so as to I wont have to explain myself everytime I make a 'human' statement.


Thanks and best of luck. This is fefinitely a sharp board. And one that I enjopy rading. But I have my own 'fight group' that I have worked with for years. I dont move on posting opinions nor should peopel really bet blindly on peoples pick...........even though Boxloks is very sharp IMO. He is well documented and proven and worth following.


Peace.

joey

 

[BOXLOCKS]

Thanks Joey, means alot coming from you.

I e-mailed you a while back and never got a response.
Wasn't sure if you avoided it due to our rocky start or if you didn't get it.
I had just heard about you leaving Oly and was wondering where you were hanging lines these days.
I also apologized for any harsh words I wrote towards you in this forum.

Btw, I wrote a few thoughts on the DLH-Hopkins fight in damiens "yo boxlocks" thread.

Take care

 

[BOXLOCKS]

ooops

 

[MayorgaFan]

I will not go into details on how I move the number and so on. Gyuys that fully understsnd how this bizness works, understand how I worded the question that was primarily a DISCUSSION. I no longer work with the Greek and am fully independent and don't have money problems at all. Sonny P understood teh Mosely/DLH question and discussion months ago.


If you guys prefer I did not post, then its really your loss. I am human. No need for me to shill and so on.


If you looked at LVSC OPENER on santos vs Margarito, they opened santos -130/+110. Now that was fuked IMO. A bad number. I went knowingly and opened Marg PK (when I wanted to open him -200, even in Puerto Rico) expecting people to respect the Vegas number. Well sure enough its now Margarito -165. This would be a similar type thread had I opened it here on the topic and sure enough, I imagine the 'conspiracy' guys would come out of the woodwork claimin I am the enemy and so on. I could give a $hit honestly. I offer honest opinions, news, and so on in these forums , unlike 70% of the people in this bizness. I answer every email that gets sent to me on my OWN TIME. I try to answer posting questions. I am VERY VERY long with DLH money now. I hope it stays that way. I feel my number/opener is as strong as anyones out there.............and it shows when they get copied by the books. Try not to treat me like a dik and I will do the same in return. I dont mislead and play games. This is a bizness I take VERY seriously , so much as that I gave up 75k plus yr running my credit shop to work on the fights. Its a passion. I am a fan , a BM, and a human being at the same time. the money and limits that are influenced by a posting board on any site can't scratch the ass on the volume written 2 hours before a fight let alone 6 months before. The numbers are getting dealt to the planet, not the forums. LOL. I think you guys get my point. The conspiracy theoryus and so on are BS. I am sure that Boxloks,Myfan, Garden, and others seem to know my integrity by now so as to I wont have to explain myself everytime I make a 'human' statement.


Thanks and best of luck. This is fefinitely a sharp board. And one that I enjopy rading. But I have my own 'fight group' that I have worked with for years. I dont move on posting opinions nor should peopel really bet blindly on peoples pick...........even though Boxloks is very sharp IMO. He is well documented and proven and worth following.


Peace.

joey

I haven't been around the last couple days because of 2 things...

1. Work, been getting my ass kicked until today

2. Even when I got home I had no power.

Finall I have power and an easy day of work so I'll be around if you want to talk about anything tonight.

I agree with you about everything you posted. Especially the Margarito line. I picked up some of Margarito at -130 figuring a scalp would be there later. Pretty decent sized scalp now availavble.

Also, Hopkins is still going to kick the shit out of ODLH. I think your numbers have been very good this year. There's been a couple of flukes but you learn from them :banghead: