Like Jeff here. Price straight up a tad high for my taste. Playing Lacy by decision prop +123. Like Monte Barrett +213 over Rahman.
Boxing; Lacy-Reid; Rahman-Barrett
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I played Barrett by 12 round decision at a very generous +750, line was way too high...now +550.
I don't think Barrett can hurt him, Rahman has been stopped before but always to big punchers...Lewis, Moskaev, and Tua, he later went the distance with Tua and has gone 12 with Ruiz and many others.
Barret is not a big puncher at all, he's been fighting much better lately but I don't think he can stop Rahman. The way I see, I have Barrett at +750.
However, while I think Barrett can win , I don't expect him to. My play on him is strictly a value play and might be hedge later. If Rahman shows up weighing around 230, Barrett might be in big trouble. Rock looked very sharp against Meehan. I know Barrett has a good chin but he was down 5 times and stopped by W. KLit, he can be hurt and Rock is a huge puncher.
I know Rock has shown up out of shape for big fights in the past, but I don't think it will happen this time. This could be his last real shot at a title and he knows it. The way he looked for the Meehan fight showed he is very focused. At 230 Rock is one the best in the division.
The X factor here is obviously Don King who is promoting this event and has a bigger hold on Rahman than Barrett. King wants the V.Klit's belt more than anything and this fight is the eliminator for the next shot at it. King knows that Rahman has a much better chance of beating VKlit so his influence will distributed accordingly. In other words, if this fight goes to the cards Rahman has a huge advantage.
So...
I'll be waiting to hear Rahmans weight and condition before I make my final play. If he's at 235 or less it will be hard not to play him at -200, esp with a solid hedge on the other side.
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I played Barrett by 12 round decision at a very generous +750, line was way too high...now +550.
I don't think Barrett can hurt him, Rahman has been stopped before but always to big punchers...Lewis, Moskaev, and Tua, he later went the distance with Tua and has gone 12 with Ruiz and many others.
Barret is not a big puncher at all, he's been fighting much better lately but I don't think he can stop Rahman. The way I see, I have Barrett at +750.
However, while I think Barrett can win , I don't expect him to. My play on him is strictly a value play and might be hedge later. If Rahman shows up weighing around 230, Barrett might be in big trouble. Rock looked very sharp against Meehan. I know Barrett has a good chin but he was down 5 times and stopped by W. KLit, he can be hurt and Rock is a huge puncher.
I know Rock has shown up out of shape for big fights in the past, but I don't think it will happen this time. This could be his last real shot at a title and he knows it. The way he looked for the Meehan fight showed he is very focused. At 230 Rock is one the best in the division.
The X factor here is obviously Don King who is promoting this event and has a bigger hold on Rahman than Barrett. King wants the V.Klit's belt more than anything and this fight is the eliminator for the next shot at it. King knows that Rahman has a much better chance of beating VKlit so his influence will distributed accordingly. In other words, if this fight goes to the cards Rahman has a huge advantage.
So...
I'll be waiting to hear Rahmans weight and condition before I make my final play. If he's at 235 or less it will be hard not to play him at -200, esp with a solid hedge on the other side.
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If this fight wasn't in Lacy's back yard and promoted by Shaw, I would give Reid a good chance of winning.
The way it is, I give Reid a puncher's chance. Lacy is there to be hit, and Reid can punch.
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The way it is, I give Reid a puncher's chance. Lacy is there to be hit, and Reid can punch.
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Thanks for the feedback box; class move as always. On Barrett, the thing is Rahman is already thinking WAY past Monte to a bout 6 weeks down the road with Vitali Klitscho. He speaks as if Barrett was nothing more than an apparition to walk thru. Yea, Rahman may have more in the arsenal, but I truly feel Barrett has never been more focused and determined. Is that enough? i can't say, but I LOVE a guy who has tunnel vision and sees only one thing at a time. Pride goeth before a fall. Is Rahman that good, equating to his being that confident? Or is Barrett just not good enough? I think "two gunz" has the potential to tough his way to a win. And I agree, Lacy will shine at home, but he will work a tad for it, hopefully he won't pull a "Cotto" and go ape shit looking to show off at home.
from what i`ve been told,reid isn`t the the reid of say 4 or 5 years ago.....
i had a european guy tell me that he thought scott pemberton and reid would be a tough go....
i think lacy beats pemberton like a rented mule...because,pemberton isn`t flexible enough to play john ruiz....like sheika did...
i have some lucrative parlays hinging on lacy...i couldn`t lay 4-1...so i used him in some pars...
if lacy wets the bed in his hometown,i`ll be shocked....and a bit poorer...
one thing that concerns is reid`s durability...but recently,i`m told that he has major lulls in his fights...
gotta go with super strong lacy..
btw...here`s the exchange i had with my euro friend...calzaghe was the topic..
""""Assuming the unifciation fight with Lacy is still on track for the end of the year, then this is an excellent tune-up(calzaghe/pemberton he`s talking about). ....I think the current version of Pemberton is at a similar level to the current version of Robin Reid (who, for some reason, seems to be #1 on BoxRec). """
my comment...""
reid and pemberton are about the same?.....are you kidding?....
i`ve heard some brits say that reid has a shot at lacy...
lacy demolishes pemberton....unless he pulls a sheika and plays john ruiz...getting cold feet after realizing he can`t trade with lacy....
is reid that pedestrian?""
his response...""" my thought is that Reid has slipped in recent years while Pemberton is a late bloomer. ""....
we`ll see.....if lacy can`t get by a 34 year old reid in his own backyard,....with no height or physical advantages...then i`ll deservedly take the loss...
although,as has been said,reid is durable...it will probably go some rounds...
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as far as rahman goes,he`s already talking about klitschko...as frank`s said....
that`s been rahman`s problem...his head....maybe he`s changed his stripes....but,the same can be said for barrett...who is also one step away from the mother lode...
a big fight for rahman...just as big a fight for barrett...
rahman...imo...is a ponderous guy...ruiz embarrassed him...as did a quicker holifield...
if barrett uses his superior athleticism,he has a shot....maybe even at a late stoppage...
if he fights like he did vs beck,he could get ktfo.....his only stoppage was vs wlad klit,before he was exposed....and barret will have a slight height advantage...nothing much...but he won`t be fighting a giant like klit...
the longer this fight goes,the better for barrett...this is it for monte....it`s now or never...
i had a european guy tell me that he thought scott pemberton and reid would be a tough go....
i think lacy beats pemberton like a rented mule...because,pemberton isn`t flexible enough to play john ruiz....like sheika did...
i have some lucrative parlays hinging on lacy...i couldn`t lay 4-1...so i used him in some pars...
if lacy wets the bed in his hometown,i`ll be shocked....and a bit poorer...
one thing that concerns is reid`s durability...but recently,i`m told that he has major lulls in his fights...
gotta go with super strong lacy..
btw...here`s the exchange i had with my euro friend...calzaghe was the topic..
""""Assuming the unifciation fight with Lacy is still on track for the end of the year, then this is an excellent tune-up(calzaghe/pemberton he`s talking about). ....I think the current version of Pemberton is at a similar level to the current version of Robin Reid (who, for some reason, seems to be #1 on BoxRec). """
my comment...""
reid and pemberton are about the same?.....are you kidding?....
i`ve heard some brits say that reid has a shot at lacy...
lacy demolishes pemberton....unless he pulls a sheika and plays john ruiz...getting cold feet after realizing he can`t trade with lacy....
is reid that pedestrian?""
his response...""" my thought is that Reid has slipped in recent years while Pemberton is a late bloomer. ""....
we`ll see.....if lacy can`t get by a 34 year old reid in his own backyard,....with no height or physical advantages...then i`ll deservedly take the loss...
although,as has been said,reid is durable...it will probably go some rounds...
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as far as rahman goes,he`s already talking about klitschko...as frank`s said....
that`s been rahman`s problem...his head....maybe he`s changed his stripes....but,the same can be said for barrett...who is also one step away from the mother lode...
a big fight for rahman...just as big a fight for barrett...
rahman...imo...is a ponderous guy...ruiz embarrassed him...as did a quicker holifield...
if barrett uses his superior athleticism,he has a shot....maybe even at a late stoppage...
if he fights like he did vs beck,he could get ktfo.....his only stoppage was vs wlad klit,before he was exposed....and barret will have a slight height advantage...nothing much...but he won`t be fighting a giant like klit...
the longer this fight goes,the better for barrett...this is it for monte....it`s now or never...
"Wets the bed". I love your metaphors GW. Perhaps since I was born in Brooklyn, NY, I may have a soft spot for Barrett, as I do for Zab, unless Judah grows some biggers nuts and fights Margarito; he goes to sleep on that nite.
franky
I think you may be on to something on the Monte Barrett call.
It just makes sense to me that Barrett will win this fight.
I got alot of reasons and I have been doing a lot of studying on it.
One week before fight time.
This is a money fight. Its time to win the money.
What are your reasons to play the dog Barrett?.
Just wondering
KOD
I think you may be on to something on the Monte Barrett call.
It just makes sense to me that Barrett will win this fight.
I got alot of reasons and I have been doing a lot of studying on it.
One week before fight time.
This is a money fight. Its time to win the money.
What are your reasons to play the dog Barrett?.
Just wondering
KOD
gw
gl on the parlays, hope you hit 'em
I've heard the same about Reid, at 34 years old and after 43 pro fights, it only makes sense that he's regressed. After another look, even in his prime he wasn't all that good. Lets take a look back at when Reid was Lacy's age, its not pretty...
'97 In England, Reid won a close SPLIT decision over Hasine Cherifi who's French. Cherifi was considered a measuring post for fighters on their way up. The pretenders fell short, the contenders prevailed with ease, Reid was somewhere in the middle.
'97 In England, Reid won a very close unanimous decision over Thulane Malinga from S. Africa. One judge had it 115-114.
'98 Ko'ed a scrub
'99 In Wales, Reid lost a SPLIT decision to Calzaghe. This is impressive as one judge had it 116-111 for Reid in Joe's backyard. The only time Calzaghe has lost on a judge's scorecard.
'00 In Scotland, Reid lost a lopsided unanimous decision to Silvia Branco who is Itilian. Branco is a decent fighter, but he's not great.
Other than the Calzaghe fight, this stretch of prime Reid is not at all impressive. The wide margain of loss to Branco in Scotland is pathetic, and that was 5 years ago.
Unless Lacy hits the deck a few times there's no way he'll lose a decision in his back yard with his promotor hosting.
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I still think there's a chance Lacy could get stopped. Reid can punch and Lacy is right there to be hit. Lacy throws a lot of punches and throws them wide, which leaves him open for counters on a regular basis. He also can be hit when his opponent leads, not much defense. Obviously power is Lacy's game, he's willing to take a few punches in the process of landing a few b/c he's the harder puncher and he knows he'll do more damage in exchanges. Unfortunaty that style might not work against a big puncher with a good chin, and it definitly won't work against a slick skilled boxer with a good chin. Lacy has already been tested a few times...
Vanderpool fought well against Lacy and it was a very close fight untill Lacy landed a huge uppercut.
Sheika was much quicker and outboxed Lacy in large spots of their fight, one judge had it 115-113
Even Donnell Wiggens gave Lacy all he could handle and was close on the cards before getting caught late in the fight.
Lacy's power has bailed him out of a few situations, and since his style won't change I expect many close calls down the road for him.
Reid's poeple claim he's in the best shape of his life, and we know he has a great chin. I hope Lacy doesn't blow his load early trying to get Reid out of there in front of the home crowd.
Like I said, I seriously dought Reid can win a decision in Lacy's back yard at this point in their careers. But due to Lacy's style, he will get hit often as Reid is a counterpuncher. And he has more power than any of Lacy's opponents so far. Reid inside distance +800 has some value here.
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gl on the parlays, hope you hit 'em
I've heard the same about Reid, at 34 years old and after 43 pro fights, it only makes sense that he's regressed. After another look, even in his prime he wasn't all that good. Lets take a look back at when Reid was Lacy's age, its not pretty...
'97 In England, Reid won a close SPLIT decision over Hasine Cherifi who's French. Cherifi was considered a measuring post for fighters on their way up. The pretenders fell short, the contenders prevailed with ease, Reid was somewhere in the middle.
'97 In England, Reid won a very close unanimous decision over Thulane Malinga from S. Africa. One judge had it 115-114.
'98 Ko'ed a scrub
'99 In Wales, Reid lost a SPLIT decision to Calzaghe. This is impressive as one judge had it 116-111 for Reid in Joe's backyard. The only time Calzaghe has lost on a judge's scorecard.
'00 In Scotland, Reid lost a lopsided unanimous decision to Silvia Branco who is Itilian. Branco is a decent fighter, but he's not great.
Other than the Calzaghe fight, this stretch of prime Reid is not at all impressive. The wide margain of loss to Branco in Scotland is pathetic, and that was 5 years ago.
Unless Lacy hits the deck a few times there's no way he'll lose a decision in his back yard with his promotor hosting.
However
I still think there's a chance Lacy could get stopped. Reid can punch and Lacy is right there to be hit. Lacy throws a lot of punches and throws them wide, which leaves him open for counters on a regular basis. He also can be hit when his opponent leads, not much defense. Obviously power is Lacy's game, he's willing to take a few punches in the process of landing a few b/c he's the harder puncher and he knows he'll do more damage in exchanges. Unfortunaty that style might not work against a big puncher with a good chin, and it definitly won't work against a slick skilled boxer with a good chin. Lacy has already been tested a few times...
Vanderpool fought well against Lacy and it was a very close fight untill Lacy landed a huge uppercut.
Sheika was much quicker and outboxed Lacy in large spots of their fight, one judge had it 115-113
Even Donnell Wiggens gave Lacy all he could handle and was close on the cards before getting caught late in the fight.
Lacy's power has bailed him out of a few situations, and since his style won't change I expect many close calls down the road for him.
Reid's poeple claim he's in the best shape of his life, and we know he has a great chin. I hope Lacy doesn't blow his load early trying to get Reid out of there in front of the home crowd.
Like I said, I seriously dought Reid can win a decision in Lacy's back yard at this point in their careers. But due to Lacy's style, he will get hit often as Reid is a counterpuncher. And he has more power than any of Lacy's opponents so far. Reid inside distance +800 has some value here.
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Rahman-Barrett
Rahman-Barrett
Barrett definitly has superior atheticism, quicker hands, quicker feet, and better all around movement. If he fights the right fight, he could outbox Rahman, but he has to fight the right fight for 12 rounds and never get over confident. One right hand from Rahman and its all over. I believe Mesi dropped Barret with the right hand, Rock punches much harder.
Holyfeild was quicker than Rahman, but that was before Holy hit the wall.
Ruiz wrestled, clinched, and held Rahman to another ugly win....114-113 on one card. No one looks good against Ruiz.
Rahman was way ahead on points in the first Tua fight before getting caught in the 10th. Rahman was way ahead on points against Maskaev prior to getting stopped in the 8th.
Not sure why I'm defending Rahman here, other than I don't expect Barrett to hurt him. So far my only play on this fight is Barrett by decision +750, and it will probably stay that way.
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Rahman-Barrett
Barrett definitly has superior atheticism, quicker hands, quicker feet, and better all around movement. If he fights the right fight, he could outbox Rahman, but he has to fight the right fight for 12 rounds and never get over confident. One right hand from Rahman and its all over. I believe Mesi dropped Barret with the right hand, Rock punches much harder.
Holyfeild was quicker than Rahman, but that was before Holy hit the wall.
Ruiz wrestled, clinched, and held Rahman to another ugly win....114-113 on one card. No one looks good against Ruiz.
Rahman was way ahead on points in the first Tua fight before getting caught in the 10th. Rahman was way ahead on points against Maskaev prior to getting stopped in the 8th.
Not sure why I'm defending Rahman here, other than I don't expect Barrett to hurt him. So far my only play on this fight is Barrett by decision +750, and it will probably stay that way.
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If you listened to Teddy Atlas tonite, he mentioned how the fight game was 75% mental. He said it, not me, but I do agree. If you read an interview in fightnews.com with Rahman, he seems to be completely disdainful of this fight with Barrett. As if it's a teeny, tiny bump in the road he has to step over. Barrett on the other hand is looking at this fight like it's life and death.
I just love it if a cocky guy gets his ass handed to him. Is this a classic case of "looking past" an opponent. Perhaps so. We shall see. Maybe I am wrong, but I see Rahman just full of himself, while Barrett is humble and hungary. I like Barrett.
I just love it if a cocky guy gets his ass handed to him. Is this a classic case of "looking past" an opponent. Perhaps so. We shall see. Maybe I am wrong, but I see Rahman just full of himself, while Barrett is humble and hungary. I like Barrett.
I hear ya frank, but just b/c Rahman talks about bigger things when interviewed and in public, doesn't mean he's not focused on Barrettt in training.
There's no dought in my mind that Barrett is 100% ready both mentally and physically. But in my opinion this fight is Rahman's to win or lose.
Barrett has fought very well lately and has a new lease on life. I really like the guy and would like to see him win, just like I would like to see Lacy win. I'm a fan of both fighters but I try to be objective when it comes to capping and money.
Barrett is fighting well, but we have to remember who he's impressing us against.
Guinn is horrible, I played Barrett at +350 and would've taken KOD at even money
Beck was an untested prospect who was exposed
Barrett deserved the decision over Mesi, but Mesi has never been a top 15 heavyweight to me. He was beat down by a blown up cruiserweight in Jirov shortly after the Barrett fight. And I believe Barrett was down once in that fight to a Mesi right hand, Mesi can punch, but not like Rahman.
Here I go again defending Rahman when my only play is Barrett by 12 round decision, I'm just covering all the angles.
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There's no dought in my mind that Barrett is 100% ready both mentally and physically. But in my opinion this fight is Rahman's to win or lose.
Barrett has fought very well lately and has a new lease on life. I really like the guy and would like to see him win, just like I would like to see Lacy win. I'm a fan of both fighters but I try to be objective when it comes to capping and money.
Barrett is fighting well, but we have to remember who he's impressing us against.
Guinn is horrible, I played Barrett at +350 and would've taken KOD at even money
Beck was an untested prospect who was exposed
Barrett deserved the decision over Mesi, but Mesi has never been a top 15 heavyweight to me. He was beat down by a blown up cruiserweight in Jirov shortly after the Barrett fight. And I believe Barrett was down once in that fight to a Mesi right hand, Mesi can punch, but not like Rahman.
Here I go again defending Rahman when my only play is Barrett by 12 round decision, I'm just covering all the angles.
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I like to hear divergent points of view. That's why we post, no? Your comments on Rahman are food for thought. I also understand your "value" play at +750 on Barrett; why not. Lacy can lose if he lets it get away from himself. Again, mental conditioning may be a deciding factor here also. Both Reid and Barrett would seem to fulfill the requirements for "live" dog plays. I saw Barrett fight here in Vegas a couple of times and was not impressed by his seemingly listless performances. If this was the Barrett of 5-6 years ago, I would not give him too much respect. Well anyway, as it gets closer to fight tme, more may be revealed.
