Calling On My Madjack College Football Brothers.

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My ?little guy? who plays high school football recently started his recruiting process. He?s 6?5?, 235 pounds and plays TE, OLB, P, K. He?s primarily being recruited for TE and has 35+ D1 schools following his Twitter @TChernasky such as Penn State, Pitt, Temple, Penn, Columbia, Rice, etc. He?s only payed for two years but he seems to have a pretty high ceiling. He asked me to help him out if I could and when it came to football and guys who love it, I thought of my fellow Madjackers first. If anyone wants to follow the Twitter or can offer any evaluations or forward his film it would be a huge help. The current HUDL link is posted below. The area that we haven?t tapped into is the Midwest and West Coast. I?ve done a lot to help but for some reason this just made perfect sense. Appreciate you guys! Redskin


https://www.hudl.com/video/3/12250023/5fb1b3fcb3d3280428d277fd
 

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I played 4 years of NCAA Tennis (best time of my life), this has nothing to do with football, but here are some tips in order to help your son choose a NCAA school:

1) Go somewhere where you are going to play, it always boggles my mind when I see somebody go to a school and they never participate in a game. There are a zillion schools to choose from for football, no reason at all to go somewhere and never hit the field. Why would anybody go to a school and sit on the bench? Are you really a "student athlete" if you never play? Oh and a coach will never say "Welcome to our football program, I look forward to never seeing you play". During the recruiting process everybody is great and everybody plays, it is all rainbows and butterflies.

2) When visiting a school (if that is possible) try to go "off the grid" and get the unsanitized version of what is going on. In other words have a talk with "the real students" and try to get the gist of what it is really like there. On official recruiting visits the coach/coaches (and most of time the players) will make everything sound fantastic.

3) Try to track down former players (that were there for 4 years) and ask them what it was really like.

4) Even for football read the "fine print" on the scholarship contract. Make damn sure what the coach says and what the contract says is the same. Sometimes one thinks they are "getting a full ride scholarship" and they ain't.

5) Let your son talk to the coaching staff, administrators, etc, etc. Or to put it another way, if your a parent stay the fuck out of it, let him decide. As for parents, coaches will kiss your ass during the recruiting process, tell you how great your son is, blah blah blah, you know all that stuff. That is pretty much the only time you should speak with them, when the coaches reach out to you. So to recap, stay out of it, let the athlete deal with it, not the parent.

6) This sounds obvious but you'll be shocked how many times this happens. Make sure the school has what your son wants to study (if he's undecided then it is a non issue). Many times a kid goes to a school and then after one year he discovers his school doesn't have what he wants to study, and bam he transfers.

7) This one is a bit difficult but try to find out how often "practice" takes place. And don't even bother with the NCAA rules, almost everybody breaks that rule no matter the sport. I don't care how much you love football, if you have zero time for a social life because all you do is study and practice your experience will suck. Again, this one is tough to find out, but with some digging you can get an answer. I can only speak from my tennis experience and I'd guess it would be worse in football, but there were not many "off days" from August to May when I was at school. Let's put it this way, there are "official practices" then the "unofficial practices", you want to have some time for a social life at school, if not, it will suck.


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Oh and one more thing, don't hire any company that will assistant your son finding a school. It is a complete waste of money. It takes a couple minutes to find the information you are looking for. The Internet has everything you need and then some. Hell you could find any coaches Netflix password within a couple seconds if you wanted it.:lol:
 

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I played 4 years of NCAA Tennis (best time of my life), this has nothing to do with football, but here are some tips in order to help your son choose a NCAA school:

1) Go somewhere where you are going to play, it always boggles my mind when I see somebody go to a school and they never participate in a game. There are a zillion schools to choose from for football, no reason at all to go somewhere and never hit the field. Why would anybody go to a school and sit on the bench? Are you really a "student athlete" if you never play? Oh and a coach will never say "Welcome to our football program, I look forward to never seeing you play". During the recruiting process everybody is great and everybody plays, it is all rainbows and butterflies.

2) When visiting a school (if that is possible) try to go "off the grid" and get the unsanitized version of what is going on. In other words have a talk with "the real students" and try to get the gist of what it is really like there. On official recruiting visits the coach/coaches (and most of time the players) will make everything sound fantastic.

3) Try to track down former players (that were there for 4 years) and ask them what it was really like.

4) Even for football read the "fine print" on the scholarship contract. Make damn sure what the coach says and what the contract says is the same. Sometimes one thinks they are "getting a full ride scholarship" and they ain't.

5) Let your son talk to the coaching staff, administrators, etc, etc. Or to put it another way, if your a parent stay the fuck out of it, let him decide. As for parents, coaches will kiss your ass during the recruiting process, tell you how great your son is, blah blah blah, you know all that stuff. That is pretty much the only time you should speak with them, when the coaches reach out to you. So to recap, stay out of it, let the athlete deal with it, not the parent.

6) This sounds obvious but you'll be shocked how many times this happens. Make sure the school has what your son wants to study (if he's undecided then it is a non issue). Many times a kid goes to a school and then after one year he discovers his school doesn't have what he wants to study, and bam he transfers.

7) This one is a bit difficult but try to find out how often "practice" takes place. And don't even bother with the NCAA rules, almost everybody breaks that rule no matter the sport. I don't care how much you love football, if you have zero time for a social life because all you do is study and practice your experience will suck. Again, this one is tough to find out, but with some digging you can get an answer. I can only speak from my tennis experience and I'd guess it would be worse in football, but there were not many "off days" from August to May when I was at school. Let's put it this way, there are "official practices" then the "unofficial practices", you want to have some time for a social life at school, if not, it will suck.


Hope that helps:0008

Hey Kickserv! I really appreciate you taking the time man. Lots of great stuff there and I totally agree with all of it. You?re right about going somewhere and not getting a chance to play bc that?s come up already. I asked him if Penn State offers would you go knowing you might not play at all and he kinda went silent. As a young boy growing up in NEPA, you dream about running out of that tunnel in front of 110k screaming fans.

I also agree with the intended major but he?s been good about that. He wants to enter the Nurse Anesthetist program. Penn and Columbia seem to be the best for that program. Lots of great tips here and I appreciate all of them. Wish us luck. Thanks again.

Redskin
 

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have heard former Pro's say the same thing about going to where you will play.

Cuzzzz.....if you can ''play'' they will find you for the next step if so desired.

and damn near every game is on tv or streamed...so seeing games isn't an issue either.

Have fun play hard
 

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Redskin: I played baseball at a small D1 school and it was an amazing experience. When I think back on it here's what comes to mind:

1. Since I went to a small, urban school, I missed out on the college experience of living in a dorm, walking to local bars or hanging out in the middle of campus. I was able to commute, so I did. I wouldn't have traded the ability to play baseball in college for that experience, but I do regret not having it. Traveling around the country with a bunch of other guys was an absolute blast.
2. Getting to play college level athletics is something I've always been proud of. Had I went to a school where I was on the team but never played, my memories would probably be less fond.

Bottom line, if I could do it all over again, I would have found a nicer location but I would have still wanted the chance to get on the field.
 

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Hey Kickserv! I really appreciate you taking the time man. You?re right about going somewhere and not getting a chance to play bc that?s come up already. I asked him if Penn State offers would you go knowing you might not play at all and he kinda went silent. As a young boy growing up in NEPA, you dream about running out of that tunnel in front of 110k screaming fans.


No problem, glad to help:0008

And funny you mentioned Penn State, I played against them many times and it always boggled my mind how many players they had on the team that never played a match. There were guys there from PA that just wanted to say they were on the team because "it was their dream to play for Penn State". Well guess what, they were PSU cheerleaders not PSU tennis players. All they did was cheer for their teammates, that was their contribution to the team. But hey as long as they got to wear "Penn State Tennis" attire they were happy, they could tell people they played for Penn State and that was enough for them. All they did was practice, what a shit NCAA experience, but some were happy with that, unreal:facepalm:
 

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have heard former Pro's say the same thing about going to where you will play.

Cuzzzz.....if you can ''play'' they will find you for the next step if so desired.



yep, very true, no matter what the sport, nobody can see you play if you never actually play the sport.
 

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Had I went to a school where I was on the team but never played, my memories would probably be less fond.


In other words, ones memories would have just been from being a student, not a student athlete. You are not an athlete if you don't compete in athletics.
 

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Oh and one more thing, don't hire any company that will assistant your son finding a school. It is a complete waste of money. It takes a couple minutes to find the information you are looking for. The Internet has everything you need and then some. Hell you could find any coaches Netflix password within a couple seconds if you wanted it.:lol:

Yeah Kick, you?re not kidding! These guys are calling, texting, emailing and following his Twitter. They all want between 2K - 5K to do the same exact thing that I?m doing. It takes me some time to find the right contact info but once I do, I just send the film and if they?re interested they usually let me know right away. I use one recruiting site called myrecruitboard.com, costs me $15 a month and they match you up will schools and then send your film and profile out those coaches. They also let you see which coaches actually viewed it and then they send those school?s questionnaires to you to fill out. Well worth $15 a month but $5000!? The nerve of these people!! Once again, appreciate your tips. 👍
 

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kick...:00hour:00hour:00hour:00hour:00hour

have heard former Pro's say the same thing about going to where you will play.

Cuzzzz.....if you can ''play'' they will find you for the next step if so desired.

and damn near every game is on tv or streamed...so seeing games isn't an issue either.

Have fun play hard

Very true Old School. You can catch any game on TV now or go to a live stream to watch it. If a kid stands out then someone will find them. Better to play then to take up space on the sideline. 😉
 

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Yeah Kick, you?re not kidding! These guys are calling, texting, emailing and following his Twitter. They all want between 2K - 5K to do the same exact thing that I?m doing. Once again, appreciate your tips. 👍


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What Kick said is so true, about going somewhere where you have a good chance of playing. I played one year at Tennessee-Martin; yes, a small college but it was brutal. I had an offer from Columbia, I think they only offered partial financial aid (maybe 1/2); but I knew I might not be able to cut it academically. I also had an offer from Centre College (in Kentucky), probably Div 2 or 3), looking back that's probably where I should have gone, good academic school and I would have had a lot better chance to play. And one other thing I realized to late in life; but a lot of guys are more mature than I was. I should have gone far enough away from home where I couldn't come home every weekend if I wanted, and be babied my mom and dad some more. Being farther away from home would have forced to me 'grow up', although I'm not for sure if I ever have :lol:
 

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Good luck with your son.. you have some great advice here.. His coach and guidance councilor I;m sure are involved
I was cut by the Philadelphia Philles in baseball . Told this story here before. Always went to Ocean City NJ for a week during the summers. My best friend and his family and my family are all crammed into a van to drive across to Somers Point on the mainland to eat dinner. As we go by a baseball field I see maybe about 30-40 people out on the field. I pull over and go into the trunk My wife and best friend are saying why are you stopping. I pull out my baseball glove and run over to the field. There are 2 Phillie Coaches in uniforms conducting HS tryouts. I run over to them and ask how do I sign up. The Phillie coach asks me " how old are you"? I say 28.. They say your to old for this.. This is a baseball HS look . I say but I'm a Phillie fan and can play 2nd base. The coach laughs. I say sir, " are you cutting me" He says yes..I say can you tell me the Phillies are cutting me. He is laughing and says yes. I take myself back to the van that is double parked with everyone mad at me and wondering what the f am I doing. I jump back in the drivers seat and tell everyone " I was just cut by the Philadelphia Phillies.. I had read in the Ocean City summer newspaper about tryouts that day.. When I was driving by the field I realized that was were the tryouts were..

With todays scouting everyone is so advanced. you have some good info here.. good luck ..
 
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