Can Vegas really support an NFL team?

[MadJack]

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[The Joker]

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Anyone got monorail tickets so I can get to the game?

 

[MadJack]

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has never hesitated to critique the NFL?s business model, and he has done so again regarding the Raiders? move to Las Vegas.
Cuban said on ESPN that he sees the NFL?s decision to let the Raiders leave Oakland just because Nevada is willing to build them a stadium is going to be a bad look in a few years.
?Why? There?s just no good reason. It?s no disrespect to Las Vegas, it?s a great city and it?s vibrant. But they?re going to a smaller market, it?s transient, and it?s just another example of chasing every last dollar, and that tends to backfire,? Cuban said.
Cuban famously compared the NFL to fat hogs ready to get slaughtered, and he thinks the league will eventually implode under the weight of its own greed. We?ll see in a few years if an expensive Las Vegas stadium has thousands of empty seats on Sundays, which would suggest that Cuban may be on to something.

 

[smurphy]

Vegas itself is a small market, but every game will be packed with visiting fans making the trip.

 

[Sportsaholic]

Vegas itself is a small market, but every game will be packed with visiting fans making the trip.

Promote Casino/Football Tix Packages to the cities of the visiting team, easy sell.......Won't be much of a home field advantage but the stadium should be packed each game........:shrug:

 

[Penguinfan]

Promote Casino/Football Tix Packages to the cities of the visiting team, easy sell.......Won't be much of a home field advantage but the stadium should be packed each game........:shrug:

For the first two or three years, yes. Eventually they are going to have to cycle through the teams and once you aren't playing Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Dallas, NE, Etc....and have to play Jacksonville, Atlanta and Tennessee whose fans don't travel it's going to be a different story.

Ultimately the Raiders will lose their franchise identity and just become the team that people go to Vegas to watch their team play.

 

[yyz]

I just know that a pro sports team in Las Vegas will speed the arrival of legalized national sports wagering.

 

[IE]

I just know that a pro sports team in Las Vegas will speed the arrival of legalized national sports wagering.

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/i...alls-supreme-court-review-sports-betting-case

 

[Terryray]

with only 8 home games a year, and so many visitors to Las Vegas daily seeking entertainment - they'll have no problem filling that stadium for a very long time. And those Raiders fans are used to moving about anyway.

Also, a bunch of the seat money comes from the luxury suites - a superb perk casinos will want to hand out to high rollers, not to mention the corporate fans of the road team wanting to make a big trip of it to the Entertainment Capital - two huge reason Raiders will make out better in this area than any other team.

the fact is, Las Vegas has to re-invent itself again. They've already been moving away from the gambling for some years, as a number of Casino/Resorts now make more in the food/entertainment/hospitality side than the gambling part. Hotel rooms aren't the value they used to be either. Young people, the future visitors to Las Vegas in the coming decades, are moving ever faster away from the gaming tables into myriads of entertainment options, at home, and when they visit Las Vegas.

An NFL franchise is such a good fit for this future that some serious shakers and movers in Las Vegas made sure this move was done very surely and swiftly.

By the way, the only gambling area the young visitors show any growing interest in is sports betting...

 

[gjn23]

Yeah it will be real hard for Vegas to match Oakland's attendance of 40k per game...and if they do, then maybe vegas can just buy the upper deck tarp from Oakland.

 

[The Joker]

with only 8 home games a year, and so many visitors to Las Vegas daily seeking entertainment - they'll have no problem filling that stadium for a very long time. And those Raiders fans are used to moving about anyway.

Also, a bunch of the seat money comes from the luxury suites - a superb perk casinos will want to hand out to high rollers, not to mention the corporate fans of the road team wanting to make a big trip of it to the Entertainment Capital - two huge reason Raiders will make out better in this area than any other team.

the fact is, Las Vegas has to re-invent itself again. They've already been moving away from the gambling for some years, as a number of Casino/Resorts now make more in the food/entertainment/hospitality side than the gambling part. Hotel rooms aren't the value they used to be either. Young people, the future visitors to Las Vegas in the coming decades, are moving ever faster away from the gaming tables into myriads of entertainment options, at home, and when they visit Las Vegas.

An NFL franchise is such a good fit for this future that some serious shakers and movers in Las Vegas made sure this move was done very surely and swiftly.

By the way, the only gambling area the young visitors show any growing interest in is sports betting...

Agree. Well said.

 

[hedgehog]

with only 8 home games a year, and so many visitors to Las Vegas daily seeking entertainment - they'll have no problem filling that stadium for a very long time. And those Raiders fans are used to moving about anyway.

Also, a bunch of the seat money comes from the luxury suites - a superb perk casinos will want to hand out to high rollers, not to mention the corporate fans of the road team wanting to make a big trip of it to the Entertainment Capital - two huge reason Raiders will make out better in this area than any other team.

the fact is, Las Vegas has to re-invent itself again. They've already been moving away from the gambling for some years, as a number of Casino/Resorts now make more in the food/entertainment/hospitality side than the gambling part. Hotel rooms aren't the value they used to be either. Young people, the future visitors to Las Vegas in the coming decades, are moving ever faster away from the gaming tables into myriads of entertainment options, at home, and when they visit Las Vegas.

An NFL franchise is such a good fit for this future that some serious shakers and movers in Las Vegas made sure this move was done very surely and swiftly.

By the way, the only gambling area the young visitors show any growing interest in is sports betting...

:0074

 

[MadJack]

with only 8 home games a year, and so many visitors to Las Vegas daily seeking entertainment - they'll have no problem filling that stadium for a very long time. And those Raiders fans are used to moving about anyway.

Also, a bunch of the seat money comes from the luxury suites - a superb perk casinos will want to hand out to high rollers, not to mention the corporate fans of the road team wanting to make a big trip of it to the Entertainment Capital - two huge reason Raiders will make out better in this area than any other team.

the fact is, Las Vegas has to re-invent itself again. They've already been moving away from the gambling for some years, as a number of Casino/Resorts now make more in the food/entertainment/hospitality side than the gambling part. Hotel rooms aren't the value they used to be either. Young people, the future visitors to Las Vegas in the coming decades, are moving ever faster away from the gaming tables into myriads of entertainment options, at home, and when they visit Las Vegas.

An NFL franchise is such a good fit for this future that some serious shakers and movers in Las Vegas made sure this move was done very surely and swiftly.

By the way, the only gambling area the young visitors show any growing interest in is sports betting...

Any idea on the projection of local season ticket owners, not counting the casinos?

Will Raiders home games be Saturday games? Most people leave Vegas on Sunday, I think.

An NFL team depending on visiting fans to fill the seats doesn't give much of a home field advantage.

Will betting be permitted on these home games in Vegas? Live betting from your seat would be really cool. :0074

I'd certainly have incentive to visit Vegas on a Ravens week. I'd probably go to other games as well if I'm in town.

I'm still not sold on the idea working long term. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Terryray]

Sports books say no way they will block bets on Raiders games, they've been booking local UNLV games for 15 years now, no problem. But book operators don't have the final say in this, the State Gaming Commission does.

Betting apps for mobile use have been available for tourists for some years now, folks have been using them in their seats at UNLV games. And NBA and NHL preseason games. Even the NBA summer league play in Las Vegas.

Yes, Raiders won't enjoy the usual built-in home advantage, but will be offset a bit by the fact the Raiders used to that anyway (even when looked at as % home wins vs overall win %, they've been pretty poor) and the more undisciplined visiting teams will have a few players who are not 100% due to Las Vegas partying the night before.

There are plenty of projections of season ticket sales to locals, and those larger projections of attendance, and by-revenue generated to the city, etc - can't put much stock in any of this as they are all based on arguable assumptions and the unique situation here, of an NFL team being primarily a large entertainment show, makes these projections both more difficult and arguably less meaningful.

But no question is it a bit of a roll of the dice into the unknown!

If Las Vegas keeps growing and thriving, I don't think it will be much of a problem to improve Raiders attendance and revenue over the long run...

 

[hawkeye]

What Pen said

 

[freelancc]

i'll be going to some games. And we will have beautiful winter weather for the games..

 

[AllIn24]

Once Elon Musk gets a hyperloop going to Vegas where somebody from LA could be there in 20 minutes - damn, that stadium is gonna need an expansion!

 

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