Change?

[mabus]

Did Obama not defeat Clinton in the primaries mostly because of his opposition to the war, and her vote for the war?
Most of their policy positions were the same, other than foreign policy.
But he wanted the troops out, and quickly, and wanted radical change.

But he keeps Gates in and offers Clinton a secretary post?


I thought McCain and Obama were both garbage, but dont the Obama folks feel somewhat shat upon?
I mean, that is not change at all, lets be honest.

 

[RAYMOND]

change you belive in! alot of people fell for it and awhole around here:mj07: alot:SIB

 

[RAYMOND]

they will be in this thread very soon , don't have to say any name:142smilie

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

I thought everyone was worried about his lack of experience :shrug:

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

And Raymond will also be back in this thread and he might even not get all of the spelling exactly right.

 

[kosar]

You guys are ridiculous.

You bitch because of his perceived dearth of foreign policy or national security experience.

THEN, he appoints more hawkish people than himself to his cabinet, he appoints a bitter political foe with an unpredictable husband former president type, and he keeps on a Sec of Defense appointed by Bush. THEN, you bitch about that.

Aren't these types of appointments change in itself? Isn't this just a LITTLE different way of doing things?

But if you want to talk about literal change, look up some of the comments from Gates over the last year about the way W and co. have been conducting things.

Better yet, google our new NSA director, General Jim Jones. He has absolutely skewered this current admin publicly.

Isn't *that* change? Change in that their boss maybe, just maybe, will actually listen to their suggestions and input?

 

[THE KOD]

they will be in this thread very soon , don't have to say any name:142smilie

:liar: :wall:

 

[THE KOD]

December 1, 2008
Limbaugh calls Obama's selection of Clinton 'a brilliant stroke'
Posted: 05:30 PM ET

Limbaugh called Obama's selection of Clinton 'a brilliant stroke.'

(CNN) ? Rush Limbaugh seems to have given Hillary Clinton his stamp of approval for the second time this year.

The conservative talk show host ? who urged supporters during the primary season to back Clinton in an effort to prolong the bitter Democratic presidential nomination fight ? told ABC?s Barbara Walters that Clinton?s selection as Secretary of State was "a brilliant stroke" by President-elect Obama.

Obama himself seemed to give a nod Monday to the pair?s policy disagreements during the 2008 primary season. "I assembled this team because I'm a strong believer in strong personalities and strong opinions,? he said at the event where he named Clinton as the leader of his new national security team. ?I think that's how the best decisions are made.?
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here is the biggest blowhard repub in the world calling the selection of Hillary ,,,,, Brilliant !

what more do you neocons need than that

your fawking hero gives his approval

I like the way O says he believes in strong opinions.

As long as Hillary aint making the final policy decisions , I got no problems with it. She will have her marching orders.

 

[THE KOD]

I mean, that is not change at all, lets be honest.

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Yes it is because it aint McCain idiot and farmer Palin.

:142smilie :142smilie

Its change we can believe in.

 

[THE KOD]

they will be in this thread very soon , don't have to say any name:142smilie

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RAY

have you noticed DTB cant even show his face in the politics forum. He is totally embarressed by the election. He is packing his bags and moving to China, where he can get a fair shake.

 

[The Sponge]

just watching Obama surrounding himself with brilliant minds from all over the country scares people who rather have a president as stupid as they are. Change means changing from an disastrous 8 years. Change doesn't mean ignoring an administration that created 22 million new jobs. Let me make this perfectly clear. When Obama means change he is talking about changing the total fuk up that just took place the last eight years. When he means Change he means honesty and not some cock sucker who outs our very own CIA agents. A fuk up whom lied us into a war to pad a few of his greedy friends pocket books as well as his family. When he says change it means not firing judges who won't be puppets to his rotten agenda. When he says change he means change to our energy policy and not sucking the cocks of our greedy oil companies or our greedy pharmaceutical companies. A change to the filthy wealthy and the unfair tax breaks they received. A change to our infrastructure, our schools, our standing in the world. That is what he means so the clueless can finally understand it. Even a few Republican friends of mine say they like the way Obama is bringing in bright minds, surrounding himself with strong people. Dumb people always have problems with bright minds. It scares them terribly.

 

[ImFeklhr]

just watching Obama surrounding himself with brilliant minds from all over the country scares people who rather have a president as stupid as they are. Change means changing from an disastrous of 8 years. Change doesn't mean ignoring an administration that created 22 million new jobs. Let me make this perfectly clear. When Obama means change he is talking about changing the total fuk up that just took place the last eight years. When he means Change he means honestly and not some cock sucker who outs our very own CIA agent. A fuk up whom lied us into a war to pad a few of his greedy friends pocket books as well as his family. When he says change it means not firing judges who won't be puppets to his rotten agenda. When he says change he means change to our energy policy and not sucking the cocks of our greedy oil companies or our greedy pharmaceutical companies. A change to the filthy wealthy. A change to our infrastructur, our schools, our standing in the world. That is what he means so the clueless can finally understand it. Even a few Republican friends of mine say they like the way Obama is bringing in bright minds, surrounding himself with stron people. Dumb people always have problems with bright minds. It scares them terribly.

Nothing wrong with brilliant minds, and he may be making some smart moves with these selections... BUT

I can see how some die-hard Obama supporters will be upset that he seems to be creating an administration that is very very typical. All his talk of change and he is basically choosing all the usual suspects in the democrat party.

So how is he winning any different than if Richardson or Clinton or Edwards was elected? :shrug:

 

[StevieD]

Nothing wrong with brilliant minds, and he may be making some smart moves with these selections... BUT

I can see how some die-hard Obama supporters will be upset that he seems to be creating an administration that is very very typical. All his talk of change and he is basically choosing all the usual suspects in the democrat party.

So how is he winning any different than if Richardson or Clinton or Edwards was elected? :shrug:

The difference as I see it is that Obama is setting himself up as President of the United States of America, not as the head of the Democratic Party.

We live in a world where Sarah Palin is already running for 2012. Spreading the Republican Message. Unlike the Right Wing Blogs that were spouting that he would surround himself with racists and terrorists we see a man who it at least appears has put the country first.

 

[RAYMOND]

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RAY

have you noticed DTB cant even show his face in the politics forum. He is totally embarressed by the election. He is packing his bags and moving to China, where he can get a fair shake.

alway stand tall scotty , went you fall you get back up ! AND YOU TRY AGAIN! NEVER BE ASHAME OF FAILURE TRY TRY AGAIN:mj06:

 

[redsfann]

So how is he winning any different than if Richardson or Clinton or Edwards was elected? :shrug:

Hope you enjoyed your NYC visit, ImFeklhr. Did you make it to the Village and the Stonewall Inn? A lot of history there that I'm sure you'd be interested in.

To your question at hand. Obama winning isn't any different than if Clinton, Richardson or Edwards would have won.
It was great fun reading all the chicken little types from the Right screaming about Barry being a "socialist" or a "Muslim" or any of the other garbage that they were throwing around before the election.
All they would have had to do is take two minutes to read about the real Obama from some other source than the far-Right blogs they can't seem to pull away from and they would have realized that what Obama is doing now is how many of us expected him to act if he was elected President.
But since that doesn't lead to mass hysteria or make for good headlines on Faux News, it wasn't as widely talked about.
I would have to imagine that those on the Far-left have to be quite disappointed so far with Obama's moves prior to taking office in Jan.--
especially those that thought that the U.S. would be out of Iraq by April 2009 with Barry as Prez....

 

[AR182]

Nothing wrong with brilliant minds, and he may be making some smart moves with these selections... BUT

I can see how some die-hard Obama supporters will be upset that he seems to be creating an administration that is very very typical. All his talk of change and he is basically choosing all the usual suspects in the democrat party.

So how is he winning any different than if Richardson or Clinton or Edwards was elected? :shrug:

i see your point im but what happens is that when a candidate finally realizes that he will become the next president he realizes the enormity of the job...& feels better if he hires experienced people.....that is why i said last week that many of obama's voters will be disappointed that there will not be many changes once obama gets into office....there is too much at stake to make drastic changes....

and fwiw other than the attorney general appointment, i am impressed with the people that obama is picking for his cabinet...i defintely would rather have hillary out there representing our country than a weakling like richardson.....

 

[djv]

So far what he's done look's to be good. What I like is Jones and that he kept Gates. He has folks that speak up. We could not stand 4 to 8 years of what we just went through a bunch of yes men/ladies. And anyone here think Hillary won't offer her opinions. Thats what good leaders do. Listen.

 

[The Sponge]

The far left wont say anything strong because they can see what i see and that he is hiring the most brilliant and qualified people in the country. People who have left great jobs to make peanuts because they want the country to succeed. When i see friends of mine on the right who are taking a tremendous loss with their retirements happy about the way he is going about things then maybe he will bring the country together. We don't need another stubborn not so bright person at the whitehouse with a greed ridden agenda. Give the guy a chance. I said this before and i will say it again. If u have a business what would u rather have? A nice tax break with no customers or pay more in taxes with customers? I bet Vegas and AC would rather have the customers right now cause they both are not doing that well and after christmas it probably will get worse.

 

[ImFeklhr]

Hope you enjoyed your NYC visit, ImFeklhr. Did you make it to the Village and the Stonewall Inn? A lot of history there that I'm sure you'd be interested in.

I had a great time. Saw a lot, missed a lot. Look forward to going back soon.

I did walk through the Village, and basically tried to do 3 or 4 hours in each neighborhood south of Harlem.

Unique neighborhoods are things I?ve always been particularly interested in.

Of course I also did some tourist things such as Empire State building, a couple shows on Broadway, the Met, Frick Collection (which I found pretty interesting)... and I ate a LOT.

All in all, super good time.

As for Obama's choices, I personally understand and respect aspects of what he is doing now. I just find it interesting that the energy he created originated from people who were often disconnected from the political process, and 'thirsty for radical change'. I am curious to their reaction to business as usual.

 

[flapjack]

As someone who voted against Obama had thought/still thinks he has almost zero experience/qualifications, I'm pretty happy so far with his decisions. He's taking similar people to what McCain would have picked, IMO. And, with his lack of experience these people will have a major impact on the course of this administration.

I think what some on the left will not be happy about is that he is more of an opportunist than someone who follows liberal beliefs. He was ultra-liberal when he was in Southside Chicago politics. He became a little more main-stream liberal when he got elected to the Senate, moved to almost identical postions as McCain when running for president and now he will stay in the middle as president. People on the far left may not be happy with it, but he is now serving a constituency that is more conservative than liberal. If he wants re-election, he will have no problem as long as he stays close to the middle. As for what his real beliefs are, who knows? And if he plays to the general public, who really cares? I am guessing based on his history, he is more interested in personal glory than any specific cause which I think will serve us fine as long as we don't face any major crisis. And, if he stays there and unless we need a strong leader to face some external threat, my vote is his to lose 2012.