Check this out!!!! Looks like an easy over

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Giants average 22.5 points @ home, 26.3 total for season

Miami averages 21 on the road, about 20 per game for the season.

Predicted combined average score = 43.5 points

Over under line is set @ 38 points

Can anyone else smell a big OVER??????????

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What do you say we make some beer money?????
 

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Game line is still @ PICK @ sportsbook.com

Get Miami Pk while its hot:brows: :brows: :brows:
 

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Re: Check this out!!!! Looks like an easy over

Ok, I'll present a few arguments. I am not saying I like either the Over or the Under yet....just a few things that I think you may have overlooked...

n2boca said:
Giants average 22.5 points @ home, 26.3 total for season
Math mistake or typo there - but it actually works in your favor. They have scored 55 pts at home in 2 games, or 27.5 per game.

Miami averages 21 on the road, about 20 per game for the season.
Miami has only played one road game, so it's really pretty hard to say that they "average" 21 ppg on the road. :lol: And that was against the Jets...not exactly the toughest defence in the league.

Predicted combined average score = 43.5 points
Over under line is set @ 38 points
You've only analyzed half of each team! What about the defences??

Miami has allowed just 38 points total in 3 games, including just 10 in their lone road game. Their best performance was against Buffalo, holding them to 7, after the Bills had scored 31+ points in their two previous games.

Giants D has not been as good. They held St Louis to 13 points, but then we found out later Warner was playing the whole game with a concussion. They gave up a whopping 35 points to Dallas (in OT), and then 21 to Washington. Dallas' offence looks like it is getting better....Washington is also better than they were last year. Miami's offence hasn't really faced a tough defence yet... hard to say whether NYG's is any better than what they have seen.

If you take JUST the average pts allowed by Mia and NYG, then you have a "predicted combined points allowed" of 35.6. Then consider that Miami's O is one of the weaker ones NYG has faced, and Mia's D is almost certainly the best NYG has faced, and you could make an argument that it could be adjusted even lower.

I don't believe in analyzing games this way anyways (or at least I've never had success taking this approach). You can't just average the pts for or pts against and get a score that should happen. Too many other factors to consider I think.

After all of this I'd say I still have no firm opinion on the total. :lol:
 
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Thanks for claryfing the point. At first glance it seemed like a likely possibility of this game going over. One thing I did oversee (quite stupidly Imight add) is the performance of the defense. I still see some turnovers here and you all know that turnovers = points. I'll be sure to do a little more homework in the future before posting tho. Thanks guys
 

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Overs/Unders are all about how offenses match-up with defenses - period. That's why a team can score 35 points one week and 13 points the next. If you look at just the points they've scored against other teams and not against the team they're facing, you're going to be stuck with a lot of headaches.

I have what I call a RipRating, which makes an attempt to put offensive and defensive rankings into perspective and helps me decide whether to play the over or under. I'll give you an example for this Mia v. NYG game.

Rushing offense rankings are based on rushing yards per game. I don't use yards per carry because of teams like Oakland: They average 6 yards/carry but don't run the ball and their avg yards per game is only 80+. Which is a more accurate portrayal of their rushing O? Per/game.

Rushing defense, conversely, is based on yards allowed/game.

Passing offense is based on team QB rating. We judge the overall performance of a QB, statistically, with this stat and it only makes sense to use it when statistacally ranking passing offenses.

Passing defense, conversely, is Opponents QB Rating against.

OK, let's get started.

Rushing Offense:
Mia 6
NYG 14

Rushing Defense:
Mia 2
NYG 9

Passing Offense:
Mia 13
NYG 15

Passing Defense:
Mia 10
NYG 17


Rip Ratings = Offensive ranking compared to oppents defensive ranking. Team X's Offensive Ranking = 1. Team Y's Defensive Ranking = 13. X's offense, compared to the rest of the league, is 12x's better than Team Y's defense. Their RipRating = +12.

So Miami's Rush O is ranked 6 while NYG Rush D is ranked 9. Offensive has the advantage here as 6 is lower (better) than 9 by a difference of 3 ranking points. This gives Miami a Rush RipRating of +3

Rushing:
Mia +3
NYG -12

Passing:
Mia +4
NYG -5


Analysis:
None of those ratings are very high. This week, some ratings are +27, +21, +14, +18, etc. +4 and +3 are low comparatively. This suggests that the defenses match up pretty well. The lower the number, the greater the advantage the defense has. This game is weighed in favor of defense, which supports a lower scoring game.

Generally (unless you have Jamal Lewis running against the Browns), passing is going to lead to more scoring than running will. It stops the clock more frequently, provides yardage in chunks and usually leads to more turnovers, which in turn, lead to points. Likewise, if both teams are better defensively against the pass, it's going to lead to less scoring because both teams will need to run the ball more and that will keep the clock working. Passing is the key here, in my mind, in determining over/under. It has a greater effect on the total score.

So...

I add together both teams Pass RipRatings and multiply them by 2. I then add this number to both Rush RipRatings and the number I get is the one I use to determine over/under.

So...

Rushing:
Mia +3
NYG -12

Passing:
Mia +4
NYG -5

Analysis:
Passing added to gether: +4 added to -5 = -1.
Passing multiplied by 2: -1 x's 2 = -2.
That number is then added to the offensive scores: -2 +3 -12 = -11.

The over/under RipRating for this game = -11. I use negative numbers as a predictor for unders and positive numbers as a predictor for overs.

To put this in perspective, we'll use last weeks games...

There were seven games that produced Over/Under RipRatings of less than zero, or negative, which suggests under.

Of those games, 6 of them went under.

Now, the lower the number, the higher confidence I have in betting the under. This game, with a rating of -11, isn't very low. This suggests to me it's going to be under, but probably not by much. I assume the oddsmakers know what they are talking about with over/unders, so I set my zero to their number.

I wouldn't bet the under based solely on this, everything else needs to be taken into consideration, I just use it as a tool to get me started in a direction.

It's a fairly new way of looking at things for me, but it was highly successful last. I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the over in this game. Definitely read up as much as you can.

Also, this game is pretty unique as both teams are coming off a bye week. It's hard to predict those types of games. They usually push me away from them because if I can limit the x-factors, I think I give myself a little better shot.

Good luck this week and if you have any questions, let me know. It was kind of a long explanation, but it's working so far.

Good luck!
 
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