Taking Gbay at -2.5...Matthews is not the answer and they will find this out this weekend when gbay comes to town. Chi is playing a last place schedule... giving balt (who is playing better now)everything they wanted n the 1sat gm and beating a self centered (still is) minn tm and beating a bad atl tm then beating a bad cinn tm( again started off great but playing a last place schedule) then only to come off a wild end to cover against sf and clev in OT...the DEF is great reminds me of the 85 tm but this OFF has no passing attack...ya stop the train and key on him and its over....and especially against Gbay....ur playing a top caliber tm now Chi and ya may intercept Farve 2-3 times but ur not going to put it in the endzone lke ya did with the last place schedule tms...I see Gbay by 14 in this one and playing it BIG...the Bears know they R on the road and need this one as they face TB and Minn(revenge) on the road the nx 2 weekends but I see the better team winning this one....the Chi Def is great but the DefBacks play soft and Farve will set them up only to make big plays in the 2nd half...GL to all
Chi is Overrated
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Your headline could give conatations that they are overrated by the whom?...public or linesmaker's?
gbay avg lay w/line is -3.4
and they are beating that by +5.6 pts.
bears avg lay w/ line is +0.4 and they are beating that by 10.0 pts.
seems like linesmaker is right in line w/ season at -2.5 w/ gb on the road.....
not disputing that gbay blows them away..... but line looks fair......
btw....no shane this week till jim gets knocked silly....
word has it....bears defense been looking forward to this game for 3 weeks in locker room....and damn.....they seem to be overrated?...as the best defense on scoring efficieny in nfl at 4.45 im wondering........oh yeah that ravens defense snuck up on people last year w/ their young aggessive defense that said would melt by week 11 against weak foes......rest is history....
dang them......
green bay win....maybe.
chicago overated......nope.
not yet on the line.......
good luck on the game......
bears are not overrated yet though......not as a homedog at 6-1 w/ the line......nfl is nfl.
nba.....well
gbay avg lay w/line is -3.4
and they are beating that by +5.6 pts.
bears avg lay w/ line is +0.4 and they are beating that by 10.0 pts.
seems like linesmaker is right in line w/ season at -2.5 w/ gb on the road.....
not disputing that gbay blows them away..... but line looks fair......
btw....no shane this week till jim gets knocked silly....
word has it....bears defense been looking forward to this game for 3 weeks in locker room....and damn.....they seem to be overrated?...as the best defense on scoring efficieny in nfl at 4.45 im wondering........oh yeah that ravens defense snuck up on people last year w/ their young aggessive defense that said would melt by week 11 against weak foes......rest is history....
dang them......
green bay win....maybe.
chicago overated......nope.
not yet on the line.......
good luck on the game......
bears are not overrated yet though......not as a homedog at 6-1 w/ the line......nfl is nfl.
nba.....well
Sometimes you make the correct play and you don't cover..
The fact that some teams scoring is greater than it's opponent may be due to the wild and wacky shit that goes on in NFL.
And no, Bears record should not be as good as it is ATS-but it is...
Spanky...
The fact that some teams scoring is greater than it's opponent may be due to the wild and wacky shit that goes on in NFL.
And no, Bears record should not be as good as it is ATS-but it is...
Spanky...
ya know, the little respect the bears are getting this year, once they FINALLY are looking decent, amazes me. reminds me so much of last year when the world was still screaming *overrated* about the ravens.
skeeter, i see your list of these *poor* teams that chicago has beaten this year, where is your list of who GB has beaten, since that isn't impressive, to say the least?
(and not saying here, that even _I_ don't view it as a miracle.....aka, pulling a game out of their @ss, BUT you and i both know, that a packer fan would describe wins of the last two weeks like the bears have had as *THE MAGIC OF FARVE*, master of the comeback and the 2 minute offense.....ANY, and i do mean ANY team that comes back like they did last week with 32 seconds left in the game, has one of the most important qualaties of a great team......THEY DIDN'T GIVE UP, and that, sir, means the world, and wins games.
wouldn't dare place a real bet on this game, cuz it certainly could go either way, but certainly have lots of *fun bets* on it with friends.
home dog in divisional matchup....sould like an automatic play to me.
Plus Bears on a roll....don't mess with a streak...just go for the ride
Plus Bears on a roll....don't mess with a streak...just go for the ride
I saw the line open at GB -3 at Canbet so they feel Green Bay is 6 better on a neutral field; I have GB rated about 4.5 better on a neutral field so I would say Chicago isn't overrated. The Bears are minus 6 in turnovers this season so every bounce hasn't gone their way. And, one more time for people who are whining about losing w/Cleveland last week, when you get outfirst-downed 29-14 and outgained 413 to 261, you don't deserve to win. Don't forget those two gift TDs you got. As for GB, they are one of the top 4 teams in the league, IMO. There strength is they have no real weakness. As for Matthews, it sounds like Miller will start.
My two cents guys:
I am a die hard packer fan and was at the last game and watched the rest of them on TV. Packers dominated Tbay in every facet of the game except turnovers--they had double the total yardage and the Defense gave up one field goal that wasn't off turnovers. Green really looked good rushing and Rossum is starting to become a force as a KR and PR. Favre forced the ball for two picks and another should have been picked. If they contain Favre and he throws two picks or less I think they win this game. To be honest though, I think there are greener pastures this weekend and will be watching this one without any action. It is too hard to predict how Favre is going to play--he has looked pretty bad the last couple. I probably am just going to middle the pack by a field goal as I do think this one will be close. For you trend cappers I think GB has won something like the last six at soldier field though.
GL in whatever you play
I am a die hard packer fan and was at the last game and watched the rest of them on TV. Packers dominated Tbay in every facet of the game except turnovers--they had double the total yardage and the Defense gave up one field goal that wasn't off turnovers. Green really looked good rushing and Rossum is starting to become a force as a KR and PR. Favre forced the ball for two picks and another should have been picked. If they contain Favre and he throws two picks or less I think they win this game. To be honest though, I think there are greener pastures this weekend and will be watching this one without any action. It is too hard to predict how Favre is going to play--he has looked pretty bad the last couple. I probably am just going to middle the pack by a field goal as I do think this one will be close. For you trend cappers I think GB has won something like the last six at soldier field though.
GL in whatever you play
the bubble will burst soon--they will not keep winning games by miracle type turnovers--and when they start losing look out
Bears are playing a last-place schedule? I guess that's true, if taken literally. The Bears were in last place last year, so the schedule they are playing is one granted to a last-place team.
However, last year was last year, and this year is new. If we haven't learned that the last few years in the NFL, we have learned nothing.
And the Bears schedule so far based on THIS year's records ...
L @ Baltimore (5-3)
W Minnesota (3-4)
W @ Atlanta (3-4)
W Arizona (2-5)
W @ Cincinnati (4-3)
W San Francisco (5-2)
W Cleveland (4-3)
That's a 26-25 record for their foes, and if you take out the games the Bears played against them, it's a 25-19 record.
Find me another team that can take a group of teams combined 25-19 record and turn it into 26-25.
However, last year was last year, and this year is new. If we haven't learned that the last few years in the NFL, we have learned nothing.
And the Bears schedule so far based on THIS year's records ...
L @ Baltimore (5-3)
W Minnesota (3-4)
W @ Atlanta (3-4)
W Arizona (2-5)
W @ Cincinnati (4-3)
W San Francisco (5-2)
W Cleveland (4-3)
That's a 26-25 record for their foes, and if you take out the games the Bears played against them, it's a 25-19 record.
Find me another team that can take a group of teams combined 25-19 record and turn it into 26-25.
you are so right there, sports predictor..... not many teams out there doing as well as the bears this year, yet like baltimore in their SB year last year, and St. Louis a couple years back, everyone was talking what a *fluke* it was they were doing well, even 3/4 of the way thru the season.
i'll have to do the same figuring that you just did on the bears to GB when i get home....
swear to you all, i do NOT understand the line on this game at all.....
why was MN a favorite over GB in MN, yet Chicago is a dog in Chicago??
i'll have to do the same figuring that you just did on the bears to GB when i get home....
swear to you all, i do NOT understand the line on this game at all.....
why was MN a favorite over GB in MN, yet Chicago is a dog in Chicago??
oops, never mind, brain fart, it was GB that was favored by 3.5 in that one, so it makes a BIT more sense, now
is the glass half-empty or half-full in chicago?
depending on how you want to look, you can make a case for or against.
argument one: they came back and beat 2 very good teams. they are the real thing, they know how to get it done and win.
argument two: they were dominated at home before freaky finished allowed them to take both games.
there is no question that chi is a vastly improved team and their games and record show as much. you can also look at baltimore's unreal wins last year, scoring with "lucky catch" turnovers and the like. still, they got a bit better with their offense as the season progressed and took all the marbles at the end before anyone knew what was happening.
is this close to a fair assessment of chicago? are they slowly getting better, to the point that opposing defenses are playing catch-up in their game strategies?
i would differ from the latter, and see how s.f. dominated them from start to near-finish. clev had the game in hand most of the game as well. it was that lucky spark, the ability to follow thru and wanting it badly that made it happen, not to overlook the home advantage, which may have played a much bigger part than the usually accepted 3 points.
so the question is: if they have been dominated at home 95% of the games by two fairly decent teams, what is to be expected once they embark on the road again? have they reached their peak? have opposing defenses/offenses stopped taking them for granted and are adjusting? i think so.
the coming game with g.b. may not reflect on the above points, as this is a special rivalry which falls beyond these parameters.
i will pass on this game and look for them to be overrated away sometime soon. if g.b. wins, that was expected; if chi wins, they will most likely be overrated on the road.
and speaking of a great defense: how do account for, of all teams, clev, scoring 21 on their turf? or s.f. opening up 31 points and a 15-16 points advantage right to the end? what defense? at least from the s.f. perspective, it showed they are very vulnerable in the air. they were last year and they are this year as well. don't have the clev stats, but assume it was similar. perhaps there is a case for g.b. after all.
pep
depending on how you want to look, you can make a case for or against.
argument one: they came back and beat 2 very good teams. they are the real thing, they know how to get it done and win.
argument two: they were dominated at home before freaky finished allowed them to take both games.
there is no question that chi is a vastly improved team and their games and record show as much. you can also look at baltimore's unreal wins last year, scoring with "lucky catch" turnovers and the like. still, they got a bit better with their offense as the season progressed and took all the marbles at the end before anyone knew what was happening.
is this close to a fair assessment of chicago? are they slowly getting better, to the point that opposing defenses are playing catch-up in their game strategies?
i would differ from the latter, and see how s.f. dominated them from start to near-finish. clev had the game in hand most of the game as well. it was that lucky spark, the ability to follow thru and wanting it badly that made it happen, not to overlook the home advantage, which may have played a much bigger part than the usually accepted 3 points.
so the question is: if they have been dominated at home 95% of the games by two fairly decent teams, what is to be expected once they embark on the road again? have they reached their peak? have opposing defenses/offenses stopped taking them for granted and are adjusting? i think so.
the coming game with g.b. may not reflect on the above points, as this is a special rivalry which falls beyond these parameters.
i will pass on this game and look for them to be overrated away sometime soon. if g.b. wins, that was expected; if chi wins, they will most likely be overrated on the road.
and speaking of a great defense: how do account for, of all teams, clev, scoring 21 on their turf? or s.f. opening up 31 points and a 15-16 points advantage right to the end? what defense? at least from the s.f. perspective, it showed they are very vulnerable in the air. they were last year and they are this year as well. don't have the clev stats, but assume it was similar. perhaps there is a case for g.b. after all.
pep
pep, you have never had an opinion on something that i didn't value!!!!!!! and would love to hear your explanation on *domination* in the game against Cleveland. the stats by FAR favored Chicago, except for the all important one of turnovers. wondering if the fact that they couldn't hang on to the dang ball is the reason you feel Cleveland dominated that game.
(not sure if i ever even looked at the game stats on the SF game, was too in shock that Chicago won.....needless to say, SHOCK did not even come close to describing the way i felt after they won last week....LOL)
remember that turnover differential i just spoke of in the stats? THAT was how CLEV. put up as many pts. as they did, the chicago defense didn't give them up, and the Clev. offense didn't have to go too far to get those points
(long time losing Bears fan on cloud 9, here, don't make me come down till they start getting there butts beat again....LOL, and yes, i'm *expecting* a few losses here, as they get into the meat of their division schedule)
Sports predictor & Invest EXec ya make some nice statements here but..as long as Matthews starts this team is in nothing but trouble....I just moved from there and watched this tm perform over the yrs and Dont tell me UR gonna draft a QG out of UCLA (dumbass) and throw him in there as raw meat and make him a better player and will make the Bears better...then he gets hurt and Miller gets the job...who should have had it since the yr began but the game I was at...in Chi..playing G-Bay in 2000 Dec Matthews starts and cant get this tm past the 50 yrd line ...final score>>> GB 28 Chi 6...so if Miller isnt starting I see the same situation happening here...dont get me wrong...I LOVE the Bears but I question myself when I look at this def so I will wait 3 gms to see if its overrated due to the schedule...this Offense has not changed people...they still throw the damn 5- 10 yr passes and will NOT open this team up to do what it can...but I just hope with a new ground game this team will run and run hard with some success to be able to throw consistantly some 20 - 30 yrd passes...but ya gotta have the QB to do that and Matthews is NOT the answer( I would luv him to B but he is absolutely not it) So if Miller starts yes I will look at this from another angle but with Matthews starting...MY $$$$$ is on G-Bay...Invest Exec...ya said I didnt put G-Bay's sched...so I see Det was the first Gm...(a tough div opponent...especially for the Bears)..Giants(tough..but having a rough go of it lately) Wash & Car ( losers LOL).T-Bay twice...hmmmm and beat them twice..Balt, Minn...looks like a tougher sched than having clev cinn az and atl on it...I am not being an ass but I just have seen this team sun after sun for many yrs and there hasent been that many dramatic changes in personel to make the league to wowowow what a def......so I look at the schedule and that tells me why...Do I hope I am wrong>>>HELL YES..I luv Chi but I dont see them coming within 14 of G-Bay..GL to all
Skeeter-
This isn't 2000. And even in 2000, Chicago was 2 different teams. One was 1-7 in the first half and looked hopeless; the other closed out the year 4-4 with wins over Indy, Tampa and Green Bay. That now makes them 10-5 in their last 15 regular season games.
This isn't 2000. And even in 2000, Chicago was 2 different teams. One was 1-7 in the first half and looked hopeless; the other closed out the year 4-4 with wins over Indy, Tampa and Green Bay. That now makes them 10-5 in their last 15 regular season games.
mama
in my book, "dominate" is to open up an early lead and keep it throughout the game, regardless of the time of possession. the other counter is, yeah, but who won the game?
and i agree with an asterisk.
and i must admit speaking off the cuff a bit with the clev game, as since "stats" left aol, my info is a bit limited. i seem to remember chi was playing catch-up in that game. if not, eliminate the clev game and use the s.f. example.
i see my earlier hypnosis had no effect on you. we must try a different approach.
pep
in my book, "dominate" is to open up an early lead and keep it throughout the game, regardless of the time of possession. the other counter is, yeah, but who won the game?
and i agree with an asterisk.
and i must admit speaking off the cuff a bit with the clev game, as since "stats" left aol, my info is a bit limited. i seem to remember chi was playing catch-up in that game. if not, eliminate the clev game and use the s.f. example.
i see my earlier hypnosis had no effect on you. we must try a different approach.
pep
I have read UR commentary and nicr vomments U have made...and I know this isnt the yr 2000 but how many steps can ya make in 1 yr...well all our rookies stepped up? I dont think so...and ya didnt do that much in the off season to make me a believer...so I said I would reconsider with MIller in the lineup...and I have...I said with Matthews in the lineup the pack would win by 14...now I say they will win by 10...the Pack is a much better team in every category even def...I know many of ya will rebuff me on this but I have seen this team preform and in my opinion this def has preformed well against the last place schedule teams...granted there R nomore dominating teams in the nfl due to free agency and etc...but this GBay team will dominate a soft def back team and open it up to let the running gm be affective....But dont come on here after the game and say UR a dumbass and I told ya so's cause this is my opinion and but I do respect my own opinion and see the Pack winning this one without OT LOL...Again I am a Bears fan but I dont see it happening here to a better team...When the bears sweep Tbay then I may have some hope as the pack did so I am not a firm believer in them until they play the better teams
Too damn predictable...the Chi Off coordinator has ran these same freaking plays yr after yr after yr...open the damn field up and let ur running game take care of itself....yes I predicted the Pack to win this one and I am a die hard Bears fan but this play calling is absolutely the same week after week....OPEN UP THE DAMN FIELD...if they refuse to do this the Bears will finish 9-7....Overrated?hmmm...they played well enough to win but ya give me this off coordinator and I will play against the Bears against a top rated NFL team everytime...GL to all
