chris john/juan manuel marquez...the untold story?

[gardenweasel]

from cliff rold...


MARQUEZ-JOHN HARD TO FIND; HARDER TO STOMACH!


""There is some reason for that silence though. It’s the heist that no one saw. Juan Manuel Marquez (44-3-1, 33 KO’s) headed to Indonesia to face WBA 126 lb. titlist Chris John (37-0-1, 20 KO’s) for a belt he never lost in the ring and, by some accounts, lost fair and square. Anyone who has read those accounts is in my opinion being lied to. The argument that scoring is subjective is a fair one, but only to a point. When a fighter out- throws his opponent, that can be countered with good defense and effective counter punching that results in an equal number of punches landed. That’s how you get the wide variance of opinion on a Hasim Rahman-James Toney. This wasn’t like that. Marquez threw more, landed more, backed John up all night, and hurt him on more than one occasion. My scorecard read 115-110, with seven rounds for Marquez, two for John and three even rounds. Two of the even rounds saw Marquez deducted points for low blows so in reality he won nine rounds. Yet, here he is three weeks later with no belt, no pound for pound status and no one in the press caring enough to complain if they even cared enough to find the fight. Where are people like ESPN’s Dan Rafael on this one?""


hmmmm?.....i was believeing that john might be special....sight unseen....maybe not...

home court in boxing......as big an advantage as it gets...

 

[gardenweasel]

WORSE THAN A HOMETOWN DECISION?

For those who have seen this fight, it could be passed off as a hometown decision, but I see something more nefarious. While many proclaim that fighters need to be protected and decry their treatment by sanctioning bodies and promoters, how often do they take the side of the fighter when they are still fighting? Marquez was blasted in media for turning down a rematch with Manny Pacquiao, getting the story almost completely from his then-promoter Bob Arum. Marquez and his manager Nacho Beristain quickly became persona non-grata, and that’s always a bad spot for a fighter. When the establishment decides a fighter is a troublemaker, or that they can’t make money off of them, those fighters have a funny way of getting screwed into obscurity.

MARQUEZ JOINS A LONG LIST OF THE VANQUISHED!

In fact, there is a fairly storied history of such things. Larry Holmes didn’t tow the line and wound up on the wrong side of one of the worst decisions ever in a heavyweight title fight during his rematch with Michael Spinks. James Toney pissed off everyone around him for years and was thanked for it with not one but two bad decision losses to Montell Griffin. John Ruiz was so universally reviled that even those who recognized that he had been robbed silly against Nicolay Valuev for his WBA belt last year seemed willing to just overlook the injustice. Much like Marquez-John, no one had seen the heist!

MARQUEZ MAY NOT BE DONE YET!

Marquez can take some solace in knowing that, if he humbles himself and gets back in line, boxing might give him another run. They did for Holmes and Toney (though don’t count on it for Ruiz). That isn’t good enough. One of the best fighters in the world, pound for pound, was robbed silly after a 2005 when he had two belts stolen from him through some of the most seemingly corrupt politics ever seen. Anyone in the press who justifies the decision in John-Marquez should in my estimation have their credibility questioned, perhaps even down to their relationship with the enemies (Arum) of Marquez and Beristain. Marquez may not be a beloved figure, and he can be as boring as watching paint dry, but he deserved the decision against John and that should be all that matters.

 

[Spreadking]

everyone knows that the scoring is bias in Indonesia.
I haven't seen this fight in question, but I can see it either way. John is a good fighter getting better all the time, or I can see Marquez getting robbed in a fight he didn't dominate. You have to dominate to get a decision in Indonesia. Maybe the judges from other countries doing world title fights are given 13 year old girls and plenty of coke to keep them happy and help the hometown guy.