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Played on the long and demanding Wentworth course and in less than ideal British weather, this 36-hole-per-round matchplay event is even more of a slog than the WGC Matchplay. With the format of four seeds and eight unseeded players, the benefit of being seeded and thus not playing until the quarter-finals is enormous. In the last seven years, all the winners have been seeded and only two of those fourteen finalists were unseeded. This week's seeds are Lee Westwood (1), Vijay Singh (2), Darren Clarke (3) and Colin Montgomerie (4).

This is rather too much of an obstacle for an upset to occur, in fact under normal conditions in May when the course hosts the Volvo PGA Championship, it is an event that produces very high quality winners. The winner will come from these four players, which is unfortunate as Retief Goosen can feel rather unfortunate to have been seeded behind Clarke when he is the US Open champion and Clarke has won just one match in three starts in this event. Both he and Padraig Harrington will have played close to 36 holes before facing their quarter-final opponents and it is much too long a road for these players to reach the final.

It is therefore by default that Vijay Singh is the outright selection this week. Westwood is hopelessly out-of-form and Darren Clarke does not have a good record in this event and will face Harrington in the 2nd round. Monty, for his part, has been playing better of late, but is still inconsistent. He will most likely face a tired Retief Goosen and should then the final from a semi-final against Bjorn/Scott/Westwood. Singh has played poorly on the PGA Tour recently, but his record in Europe and in this event is excellent and he should easily dispose of Mike Weir in the quarter-final on Friday to set up a meeting with Harrington or Clarke. None of the seeded players are at the peak of their games, but in matchplay Vijay warrants attention. If the matches pan out as expected, then the prop on expected finalists is also a good play. It was a 7/1 winner last year when Monty & Westwood reached the final, so maybe better odds can be found between now and Thursday, but 11/2 is still good value given the history of seeded players and finals.

Outright play:

Vijay Singh to win 9/2 @ Surrey, Ladbrokes or Centrebet

Prop:

Vijay Singh and Colin Montgomerie to contest the final 11/2 @ Bet365

1st round plays:

Adam Scott to beat Thomas Bjorn +120 @ Intertops [2 units]
Bjorn has been troubled with a shoulder injury and has not played for the past month since withdrawing from the European Masters as a precaution for the Ryder Cup. In poor form anyway since mid-summer and no wins from two previous starts, he is one to oppose this week. Scott lost a close match to Sergio Garcia in the 1st round last year, but he will have benefited from the experience

Parlay: Padraig Harrington to beat Nick Faldo & Mike Weir to beat Seve Ballesteros -131 @ Sportingbet [2 units]
Seve caused a huge upset in beating Monty in a matchplay event - the Seve Ballesteros Trophy - last year, but it won't happen against Weir who will be taking this match more seriously and is in decent form. The odds are too short by themselves, so the play is doubled up with Harrington to beat Faldo. The Irishman disappointed as an outright selection last week, but has a very good matchplay record in all events and will win this trophy when he is seeded. Barring a 3rd place finish on this course in May in the Volvo PGA Championship, there is little reason to expect any resistance from Faldo
 

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Thanks for the update Ian

Just as well I got on the Singh price early ... he's down to 5/2 now that he'll play Torrance or Seve in the quarter-finals and the 'finalists' prop is currently OTB at Bet365

I'll just stick to the one 1st round match ... I still fancy Harrington to beat Faldo but will not play @ -200
 

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Simon Bold still has the pre-withdrawal prices still up and have Singh @ 5/1
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Went this route at a little over 4/1

Stake 20
Possible Win 86.67
Tournament: T Bjorn v A Scott
Selection: A Scott
Bet type: Standard
Odds: 1/1

Tournament: R Goosen v I Woosnam
Selection: R Goosen
Bet type: Standard
Odds: 1/2

Tournament: P Harrington v N Faldo
Selection: P Harrington
Bet type: Standard
Odds: 4/9
 

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Stanley... be careful about lumping on Harrington to beat Faldo.
It doesn't strike me as a good long odds-on bet.
I admit Harrington is currently by far the better player but I ignored his mediocre form at Wentworth earlier this year when backing him for the Volvo PGA (previously 17-56-60-11-13) and he played awful and finished 45th. In his last 4 Volvo PGA's Faldo has finished 3-59-2-2.
I am not backing Faldo - but it just strikes me that Harrington looks too short.
 

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+350 Singh at Olympic is still massive value.
I have him at leasr - 500 in the quarters
In the semi's at best -125, and at best -125 in the final.

He could easily be shorter than the above prices depending on the form he shows or the golfer he meets, nevertheless at the above prices he still caomes in at 290
 

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Stanley - very impressed by your knowledge regarding Las Vegas on the other page.

Worried about about your Harrington 'tempting for a parlay' - you are starting to sound foreign mate. I assume a parlay is an acc?
In an earlier post DTB mentions a 20 stake parlay at 1/1, 1/2 and 4/9 with potential winnings of 86.67 at just over 4/1.
I assume he means a 20 treble that returns 86.67 giving odds of 3.33/1 (100/30).
But punters should always ask themselves a very important question when doing 'parlays'. Like in the example above... if you had 60 $ or ? IN YOUR HAND would you put it on the last 'tempting' selection at 4/9 (86.67 - 20 stake = 66.67 profit). Because with a parlay that is what you are doing after the first 2 win....Personally I would always go for a 35 double on two strong fancies at 1/1 and 1/2 (105 - 35 = 70 profit).
It's a poser - who shows the greater profit in the long run? A punter who increases the stake and cuts the selections or one one increases selections but cuts the stake.
 

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Because of the vig involved in each component's odds, the player who cuts the # of selection and raises the stakes will always finish ahead in the long run.

The only case in which it would be otherwise would be if one of the components' odds is seriously wrong: if the evens bet has a significantly greater than 50% chance of winning, the 1/2 bet has a significantly greater than 66.7% chance of winning or the 4/9 bet has a signficantly greater than 69.2% chance of winning. Assuming that is not the case, then the limited selections parlay or accumulator is the 'better' bet.

The key distinction though with DTB's example is that, as he would say himself, these larger number parlays - he posts these for three-ball betting regularly - are merely 'interest-only' bets and are therefore not determined according to certain money management criteria.

The Harrington-Weir parlay/accumulator was one of my 'serious' plays because I thought that Harrington had a significantly better than 66.7% chance of beating Faldo and Weir had a significantly better than 85.7% chance of beating Seve, but I wasn't willing to lump large sums of money on each match to secure the desired profit.

I don't know if this answers your query.
 

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Betting: Would concur parlay's combo's trebles are not (in most cases)a viable risk.
However most of these are played at Sportingbet which there are few viable risks available any longer period with thier 4place outrights ties divvy-34 cent lines-dwindeling combo availability.
Withdrew all funds there last year with exception of small amount they credited my account from a book that went under which they absorbed and I felt obligated to play that out with them.Playing mostly $10 combo's and outrights account has actually grew attributed totally to luck however it has added a little excitement betting 4 to 6 man combos with account I have no concern of keeping.In years past when they lined basically all 3ball pairings I firmly believe and had good success in 3ball combo's where there was always a weak sister in several of the matchups basically making it a head to head and better odds,but those days are gone.

[This message has been edited by DOGS THAT BARK (edited 10-11-2001).]
 

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I agree parlays, trebles etc are OK for a small staking interest bet.
During my 10 years as a betting office manager we had to monitor large staking customers to watch the profitability.
Funnily enough the bloke who showed the best profit against us, was a chap who would only ever bet on either a match bet or a 2 runner race in singles only.
But it seems too boring doesn't it? No big wins... just steady profit. I have seen all this (have the website) and yet still
had a stupid 4 timer on the footy 2 weeks ago
2 even money winners, a 10/11 winner and the 1/3 shot let me down with a last minute equaliser (Reading v Bury).
Life's a bitch and then you die.
 

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1st round update: 0-1-0 and -2.00 units

Lost the sole remaining play as Scott lost 4&3 to Bjorn. Scott was 8-under-par after 33 holes so he played as well as expected, Bjorn was just a lot better on his return to competitive golf than I allowed for.


2nd round plays:

Colin Montgomerie to beat Ian Woosnam (-1.5 holes) -120 @ Victor Chandler [2 units]
As outlined in the preview, it is an enormous advantage to be seeded and thus rested on the first day. This should particularly true against the veteran Woosnam for whom nearly four rounds in two days around Wentworth will be an extremely tiring affair. He has admitted he was very tired after today's match and that Goosen had played poorly. Against a player who lives on the course, he can expect a torrid time. The -170 on Monty with Camelot is the best around, but I'll take the small handicap over 36 holes instead

Padraig Harrington to beat Darren Clarke +130 @ Five Dimes
Might be contradicting myself somewhat here by opposing a seeded player, but Harrington only played 28 holes today and was a staggering 12-under-par after those 28 holes when he beat Faldo 9&8. The laser treatment he had on his eyes two weeks has obviously paid dividends! With Clarke having won just one match in three years in this event, he could be vulnerable tomorrow. At the widespread odds of -120, Harrington would be a no-play, but Five Dimes' offering cannot be passed up!
 

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2nd round update: 1-1-0 and -1.10 units

Split the plays as Harrington play extremely well again to defeat Clarke 5&4, but Monty was poor. He was trying out a new ball and consistently hit his approach shots too far. He lost to Woosnam by 4&3.


Semi-Final plays:

Lee Westwood to beat Ian Woosnam -140 @ Camelot [2 units]
Woosie looked solid on the greens, but he was not the player who beat Goosen the day before and that was a match that Monty would have normally won. Once again, Woosie admitted to feeling drained after the match - "I felt very tired this afternoon and lost my rhythm because of that. I found it hard work." - and this should be 36 holes too far for the veteran. Westwood struggled off the tee, but the rest of his game was very impressive and if he can keep it in play tomorrow, he should win this with ease

Padraig Harrington to beat Sam Torrance (-3.5 holes) +100 @ Victor Chandler
Vijay can be an infuriating character. He rarely fulfils his potential and is very inconsistent. He should have put enough daylight between him and Torrance in the morning to kill the match. Harrington will not be so soft. Torrance started as favorite to beat Seve, but beating Vijay was clearly a very emotional victory. Can't see Torrance starting anything other than flat tomorrow and once Harrington gets a lead tomorrow, he will be ruthless for the 3rd day in a row. I'll take the handicap rather than the straight win (-400) on this basis
 

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Stan,
The way the Harrington v Torrance match ended showed the danger of h'cap betting.... Am I right in thinking that Harrington had a putt to win the hole but as the match was conceded he was 'awarded a miss' and a half on the hole. Surely he should have been given the putt for 5 and 3?
Good job the h'cap was 3.5 not 4.5 - but a winners a winner!
Harrington's eye surgery has obviously made Wentworth look a lot different to him... unlike the Volvo in May... he can now see where the trees are.
 

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Semi-Final Update: 1-1-0 and -1.80 units

Split the plays again for a loss. Westwood was simply woeful and deserved to be beaten 10&9. Harrington had a good match with Torrance and was 2 down after 15 holes, but he is a ruthless player and ground out a 4&3 win.

Final play:

Padraig Harrington to beat Ian Woosnam -140 @ Sportfanatik [2 units]
Has been a disappointing event so far, but looking to finish well. Harrington has looked the best player and has vindicated what I wrote about him for the 1st round: "has a very good matchplay record in all events and will win this trophy when he is seeded". He looks set to win this trophy even earlier with a match against the unseeded, inspired, but tired Woosnam.
 

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Final update: 0-1-0 and -2.80 units; 2-5-0 and -8.70 units for the week

Harrington lost 3&2 in a very close match that swung from one player to the other. Both players played extremely well - Harrington shot 61 in the morning round - but opposing Woosie cost me for the 3rd time this week. Should have stuck to my original decision to leave this event alone!
 
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