Clemens is a bee-oooootch!
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My 2 cents...
I saw it quickly ( just once) on highlights and my reaction was that Bonds "hangs over the plate" and with that big elbow guard he should expect to be moved back. Far from a bean ball and he did not exactly move away too quickly....just baseball between two tough competitors.
Hey I hate the Yanks...but respect Torre who is a winner and he usually gets the job done.
I saw it quickly ( just once) on highlights and my reaction was that Bonds "hangs over the plate" and with that big elbow guard he should expect to be moved back. Far from a bean ball and he did not exactly move away too quickly....just baseball between two tough competitors.
Hey I hate the Yanks...but respect Torre who is a winner and he usually gets the job done.
Bonds made no effort to move nor did he make an effort to go get his steroid using ass whipped either from Clemens. No I think that Baseball purists saw it for what it was meant to be and that is to move him off the plate. Keep in mind I doubt anyone from EITHER team was sorry to see Barry Bonds get hit by a pitch.
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First off I am a Barry Bonds fan, but I have to agree with you that he does crowd the plate and the Rocket is a vet and doesn't play that.
First off I am a Barry Bonds fan, but I have to agree with you that he does crowd the plate and the Rocket is a vet and doesn't play that.
Bonds made no effort to move nor did he make an effort to go get his steroid using ass whipped either from Clemens
Steroids? I don't think so. Most players that I've seen interviewed about steroid use in regards to Bonds, all agree that he's the hardest worker in the majors. Saw an interview with Sheffield the other night, and he said that Barry is the 1st to get to the park and the last to leave. He said he knows of no other player that works as hard as Bonds does. No doubt that there is steroid use in baseball, but I don't believe Barry is in that category...
Steroids? I don't think so. Most players that I've seen interviewed about steroid use in regards to Bonds, all agree that he's the hardest worker in the majors. Saw an interview with Sheffield the other night, and he said that Barry is the 1st to get to the park and the last to leave. He said he knows of no other player that works as hard as Bonds does. No doubt that there is steroid use in baseball, but I don't believe Barry is in that category...
In today's baseball it seems taboo to throw inside on hitters.I guess because of all the money that is involved.I wonder if Gibson would throw inside if he was still pitching.I think so.
I disagree,I think Bonds does take steroids.His body became muscular rather quickly.
I disagree,I think Bonds does take steroids.His body became muscular rather quickly.
No offense to Barry - I think he's one of the greatest hitters of our time, and almost certainly the best baseball player of our generation, but the ball that hit him on the arm (from Clemens) was about four inches from being a STRIKE. If you pitch four inches inside and hit a batter, that batter is WAY too far out over the plate. I shudder to think what pitchers of the past would do if they had to face someone standing where Barry Bonds stands (not to mention what they would think of the armor he wears). You don't think Bob Gibson would send a few messages towards Barry's ribs? You're damn right Clemens threw at Bonds. He did it correctly, and he did it for a purpose - to get back the inside part of the plate. Barry has such insane plate coverage because he stands on top of the damn thing. Pitchers need to be able to get that part of the plate back, especially with a hitter of Barry's caliber.
I have a feeling he will get fined because of his hinting that he would hit Bonds...turns out Clemens continues to be a Hall of Fame talent but a minor leaguer regarding what to say and when to express it. As most agree, this whole pitch is way blown out of proportion.
Listened to some Boston talk radio this afternoon and they were having fun with "the conspiracy theory". That being Roger planned this all out to get suspended in time for the METS series where he is scheduled to pitch at Shea and therefore would bat. Somewhow think that gives Roger too much credit to think it through. Good yuk though.
Listened to some Boston talk radio this afternoon and they were having fun with "the conspiracy theory". That being Roger planned this all out to get suspended in time for the METS series where he is scheduled to pitch at Shea and therefore would bat. Somewhow think that gives Roger too much credit to think it through. Good yuk though.
If they can fine a pitcher for hitting a batter that hangs OVER the plate WHILE wearing body ARMOR with a pitch that is FOUR INCHES inside - they might as well let the hitters start using batting t's as well. I don't know how baseball can make rules in this regard, but the pitchers have to have some room to work and missing by less than half a foot inside doesn't seem to be too outrageous. Guys like Bonds, Everett, etc. that extend their bodies above the plate are asking to be drilled. Clemens mistake was saying he was going to do it. Even so, they can do all the investigations they want and ball location will exempt Clemens from fine or suspension in this case. Hell, we have all seen umpires call pitches that close to the plate strikes.
I think it's important to note that I still think Roger Clemens is crazy, and the bat incident with Piazza boggles my mind. I'm not defending him as a person, but I AM defending his actions against Barry Bonds and other hitters that stand on the white line on top of the plate. Notice - Bonds was hit on the armguard, where it wouldn't hurt, by a pitch that's damn near a STRIKE (also a pitch that I've seen Vlad Guerrero hit out of the park). The ball was not aimed at his head or thrown with intent to injure. It was a message, pure and simple.
Notice Bonds didn't charge the mound, or even seem that upset? He knows what he's doing by standing where he does. He knew what was coming, and he knows he's gonna get more of it.
The hitters have had a decided advantage for the last twenty years or so, since they lowered the mound (the "Bob Gibson" rule). They've gradually taken more and more away from the pitchers, and the game is suffering for it. It's time to reverse that trend, and I don't really care where it starts, even if it's with the defending home run champ (and record holder).
I don't think he gets fined either. All Clemens said about Barry is that he stands over the plate and sticks that armor over the strike zone. If a pitcher, like Roger, pitches inside, or especially high and inside, Barry is going to stick out his arm and take first. Roger meant that if Barry did not wear that armor, he would not crowd the plate like that, and pitchers could pitch him away more effectively. And he is 100% correct.
Notice Bonds didn't charge the mound, or even seem that upset? He knows what he's doing by standing where he does. He knew what was coming, and he knows he's gonna get more of it.
The hitters have had a decided advantage for the last twenty years or so, since they lowered the mound (the "Bob Gibson" rule). They've gradually taken more and more away from the pitchers, and the game is suffering for it. It's time to reverse that trend, and I don't really care where it starts, even if it's with the defending home run champ (and record holder).
I don't think he gets fined either. All Clemens said about Barry is that he stands over the plate and sticks that armor over the strike zone. If a pitcher, like Roger, pitches inside, or especially high and inside, Barry is going to stick out his arm and take first. Roger meant that if Barry did not wear that armor, he would not crowd the plate like that, and pitchers could pitch him away more effectively. And he is 100% correct.
I cannot see any connection whatsoever between work ethic and steroid use. To be quite honest, I believe that adds to the strength of my conviction. Barry Bonds was not always this size and has never seriously threatened Roger Maris' record let alone McGwire's until a breakout year in which he added 15lbs in the offseason. O.K. he's a gym rat, great, so is Hulk Hogan.
Monk,
Sammy Sosa is the "greatest player of our generation ". What are you some kinda knucklehead or....?
Monk,
Sammy Sosa is the "greatest player of our generation ". What are you some kinda knucklehead or....?
